Content Warning: Age Gap, Age Gap Shaming, Marriage of Convenience
Generally when we think of two people getting married, we imagine two very happy people who are deeply in love and eager to start their lives together.
But sometimes marriage can be much more practical than that, even if it doesn't carry with it the same romantic flair, pointed out the members of the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
A Redditor, who has since deleted her account, arrived at her daughter's engagement party, only to discover that her 26-year-old daughter was seeing a 48-year-old man, and she was shocked.
When she started investigating and discovered it was a marriage of convenience, the Original Poster (OP) stated that she could not support the union by attending the ceremony.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for telling my daughter that my conscience can't allow me to be at her wedding?"
The OP's daughter was doing quite well for herself.
"I (51 Female) have a daughter, Eliza (26 Female). She got pregnant at a very early age (20), when she was just in college, and the father bailed out of their life."
"Now, I have a five-year-old grandson, Mike, who I adore."
"Eliza lives in a different state, so I don't see her that often except for video calls. She works at a pretty high-earning job and can make ends meet."
But the OP did not feel as positive about her daughter's dating choices.
"Recently, she told me that she's been seeing someone for about a year, who actually makes her happy and content."
"I was a bit shocked and hurt that she didn't mention it to me, but she invited me to her engagement party, and said that she'd keep the identity of her fiancé a secret."
"Color me shocked when I go and find out that her fiancé is a 48-year-old man."
"I had to resist all my urges to not scream out and faint at that very moment."
"Eliza's fiancé treated her incredibly kindly, and they were supposedly very much in love, yet I couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong."
The OP began to poke around for the truth about the relationship.
"After the engagement party was over, I took Eliza aside and asked her what the matter was."
"Eliza admitted that she had been suffering problems at her job and that money had been a bit tight for her recently."
"She said that she met her fiancé, Jim, at a party of a mutual friend, and that they instantly became close friends, and that Jim was very good and bonded well with Mike."
"Jim is the CEO of his own company, and Eliza proposed a marriage of convenience to him, and he accepted."
The OP could not accept her daughter's wedding plans.
"My mind is partially eased, but I also feel incredibly bad for my daughter. She'll now be tied for the rest of her life to a man who doesn't love her and is almost twice her age (almost my age)."
"When she asked me if I would be there for the wedding, I said no, and that she has my blessing, but my conscience can't allow me to stand and see my daughter get married to a man the age of her father."
"She got angry and left."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some understood why the OP was so shocked and admitted they couldn't agree to this arrangement.
"The age gap is hard to swallow. A lot of successful marriages are based on meeting each other's needs. She is receiving security, and he's receiving companionship. They're going into it with their eyes open."
"I couldn't do it, but I see the practicality. 100 years ago, I don't think we'd be having this discussion; it was just a way of life." - zaftig_stig
"She is pimping herself out. She wants his money. He wants a bang-maid."
"And after just one year, they wouldn't know each other all that well. They don't love each other."
"Mum has the right to not approve. I certainly don't approve." - fgbTNTJJsunn
"People should not be expected to go to weddings where they don't celebrate the marriage, especially when the wedding is basically one big lie to the guests. Sounds like a great way to cash grab for two people who don't even need it. NTA." - cgrobin1
"I don't think you're an a**hole, and I can understand the concern for her. There are almost certainly some predatory/power dynamic aspects of this that are concerning, but if he truly is a nice man (behind closed doors, too), then I think you need to let her make her own mistakes."
"If she's made up her mind to go through with the marriage, the only thing you'll accomplish by freezing her out is permanently damaging your relationship with her." - Salt-Tear-7876
"Marriage for convenience, but what does he get out of this? If it's physical intimacy, wouldn't he just leave her for someone younger in the future?"
"I understand the mom's reason for being uneasy; I would too. However, if there is a solid legal contract that protects her from being replaced in the future, then why not?"
"She's a grown woman and seems to have done well in the past. However, you do have the right to object and not be at the wedding. So NTA." - Abject_Taste_3597
Others pointed out that as long as the couple was aware of the arrangement's implications and were both happy with it, it was acceptable.
"She isn't kidding herself; she's a single mom with a five-year-old, so it's not like her options are totally unlimited (most men you'd actually want her dating in her age range are going to run screaming from a single mom)."
"And he gets a young, presumably attractive-to-him, wife and a ready-made family with a kindergartner, and she's, unlike women in his age group, young enough for a younger sibling to be a possibility. He's financially secure, not something super-common among men in her age cohort."
"They're both going into it eyes open. If anything, they're a lot smarter than clueless romantics who think infatuation is enough." - jquailJ36
"My grandparents were a marriage of convenience, two single parents trying to survive and protect their kids the best they could. If their families had reacted like, 'No, no family for you if you're not in LOVE,' there would be nothing healthy about that." - Beginning_Cow_972
"As long as both people in the marriage are understanding and accepting of the other's motives for entering the marriage, there's no abuse in the home and those in the home (including children) are happy and healthy."
"Just accept it. You can have your own feelings and trepidations, but protesting because your 'conscience' doesn't understand marriages of convenience isn't going to do anything positive for your relationship with your daughter or grandson. NAH." - Sea_Roof3637
"'The rest of her life,' what the f**k? Divorce is a thing, you know. This isn't 1955."
"If she's willingly entering a marriage of convenience, she will be one step ahead to leaving it if it ever gets abusive or difficult. The women who make me want to scream are the ones who love their abusers."
"Go and support your daughter, remind her you're always there for her, and if the convenience part gets difficult, that you'd be willing to support her no matter what happens."
"YTA." - tortie_shell_meow
"NAH, do what you feel is right, BUT, my husband is 21 years older than I am, and we have been happily married for 14 years. I was also 26 when we got married. My parents love him. It may not be right for everyone, but it can absolutely work."
"It sounds like your daughter has learned a thing or two about commitment from her previous relationships and is taking a more practical approach with this one."
"Jim may just want a family to come home to at the end of the day. He doesn't HAVE to marry her or anyone, and in his position, he can pay for his needs to be met. If he is choosing to do this and he treats her and your grandson well, where's the harm for anyone? Friendship and honesty are the best things to build a marriage on."
"AND if you are concerned about future problems, staying on good terms with your daughter means she will be more likely to talk to you if she has a problem and put you in a better position to help her." - Tallisina
"People get married for all sorts of reasons. It sounds like you have to battle between staying true to your views on marriage and maintaining a relationship with your daughter."
"If it's purely a marriage on convenience, she might not be upset if you're missing, but I would try and talk it through with her if it's possible and find out how she feels about you not being there before I made that decision."
"I can see where you're coming from, but please remember that if she is deeply hurt by your absence at her wedding, you will never be able to take that back." - Consistent_Sky5986
On a slightly different note, some cautioned the OP not to be too judgmental if she wanted to maintain a relationship with her daughter, and by extension, her grandson.
"Something to consider: blowing up your relationship with your daughter could blow up your relationship with the grandson you adore."
"And if she ever needs help, she might not come to you after this." - Unlv1983
"I don't know if that's the right call; is your daughter upset about this? Because there's nothing wrong if both of them are aware it's for convenience's sake."
"Not everyone is fortunate enough to marry for love; some people either have to settle and luckily, your daughter at least found something that works for her. She isn't pimping herself out; she is committing to this man, and sure, it's not for love, but she is making a promise and so is he."
"If they have mutual respect for each other and some love, whether platonic or not, I think she is allowed to be happy with it."
"For me, I would do something similar as romantic love is very low on my bar of priorities, I would much rather have a marriage to a good person who I can be happy with than with someone I'm extremely attracted to but will ruin my life. I get that it's weird for you, but not all people are meant for a normal marriage dynamic."
"Maybe you guys should talk more so you can see her perspective." - FreeReflection5259
"As a daughter on her second marriage (of almost 25 years), I was shocked when my Dad admitted to me he knew the first wouldn't last. However, he walked me down the aisle, anticipating I'd experience the hard life lesson, and he was THERE when I needed the support."
"Had he taken a different approach, we might not have the bond we do, or worse, the line he drew in the sand might not be one I'd be willing to cross again. I love and appreciate how hard that was for him, and I'm thankful he had the guts to do it."
"I honestly hope this all works out for you and your daughter." - AmbitiousCustard1037
"I think that I am getting a very different vibe from this post than most people. It seems like OP is not an easy parent to have. Very judging and possibly overbearing."
"There was the pregnant 'very young' at 20 and then the dismissive 'he skipped out' comment. The daughter probably hasn't actually spoken properly to her mum for ages, since she left and took her child to another state. It suggests they definitely are not close."
"And here is OP acting all horrified and shocked when she meets this new partner (great response, mum!). I'd also strongly suggest that there is A LOT of backstory missed out here."
"Unlike most Redditors, I'm going YTA because you don't get to choose who your adult daughter decides to spend her life with." - NevynTheFirst
"I'm going to give you some advice from someone who's been in a similar situation, with a child and then grandchildren who didn't always marry the people you wish they would."
"Here's the deal: you raise them and hope for the best, but they make their own choices. You just need to let them know that you will always love them. And if that means that you go to her wedding even if you don't approve of her choice, then my advice is to suck it up and be there with her. Trust me, if/when she needs you later, she'll remember it."
"Like I said, this is just my opinion, based on personal experience. Turns out in each case that bridges weren't burned when my help was needed later." - JustUgh2323
This situation left the subReddit divided between who was comfortable with the concept of the wedding of convenience arrangement and who was not.
But one point that all could agree on, which the OP would hopefully consider, was that this was the daughter's life and not the OP's, and if the OP wanted to stay in her daughter's and grandson's life, she better do what she can to show that she'll be there for her daughter no matter what, and no matter how this wedding arrangement turns out.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.