As hard as it is to admit, sometimes people's true personalities only emerge when money gets involved.
Then suddenly, what's really been important to them all along will be revealed, cringed the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor Upper-Yesterday3710 thought that she was excited to get married to her partner as they continued to bond throughout their engagement.
But when they were working through a prenuptial agreement and her partner only cared about what he and his biological daughter would get in the event of a divorce, the Original Poster (OP) questioned if this was really the person she wanted to spend the rest of her life with.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for ending my engagement because of his demands about our prenup?"
The OP was excited about an important job opportunity, only for it to hurt her engagement.
"I (37 Female) recently got a lump sum for a career project that turned into a whole company. I got into an agreement with a company that has been reselling my services via out-licensing and long-term corporate JVs (joint ventures)."
"When I signed the paperwork, I felt like I had the opportunity to build a financial future and that my relationship also wouldn't be affected."
"But this has not been the case, and I'm very put off, to the point of breaking our engagement."
The OP really thought that her partner, Sean, was going to be the one.
"We've been together for four years. I met him on the last leg of my struggle to get what has become my working life's motiva thought tion."
"This project has been all-consuming and aside from that, I only had time for my family. I have very good friends but everyone is busy. I didn't date or go out."
"When Sean (43 Male) came along, I was swept off my feet because I wasn't expecting to find someone that I liked so much. We shared the same sense of humor and I became really attracted to him, both emotionally and physically."
"Sean is divorced. He has average office assistant skills and works for a small government agency. Our salary gap was not a huge deal as I invested a lot in my project so whatever money I kept for myself went to my priorities that are non-negotiable. I take care of my family and pay bills."
"He did have hobbies that he spent time on, but when I met him, he was in between jobs and had to wait four months until he became active at his new job (at the agency)."
The OP and Sean both had financial issues in common in the beginning.
"We were both thin on money. I was very happy to have a guy who didn't pressure me to wear certain styles (I'm more of a flats and comfy clothes lady) when my ex before him demanded that I look trendy and said things that nullified my self-esteem."
"I knew he was on food stamps (very briefly) and chalked it up to a bad situation that was temporary). There was huge mutual acceptance."
"We tried to start a small consulting company, but it didn't work out. I noticed that he wasn't ready to co-manage and after a long conversation, we mutually decided to call it off."
"We had been talking about marriage for a while, and when he proposed, the subject of a prenup was no surprise as we had already agreed on having one."
"Even if I had nothing, I see it as a way to protect ourselves and each other from potential situations. I'm in a niche market that deals with loss prevention, and I've seen people getting into lawsuits."
The couple had many issues while trying to agree on a prenuptial agreement.
"We had drafted a plan but had some tense moments. He closed off at the lawyer's office and created a tense environment during our second meeting. Nothing that we had agreed on was getting followed through and he kept asking for things and raising the bar."
"He got his own lawyer, which would have been okay except that he never told me, and his attorney showed up, and I didn't even know he'd hired one."
"We had to pause the prenup after he almost bit my head off outside of my lawyer's office when I refused to give his daughter shares of my existing company."
"That's a no-go for me, and I'd rather stay unmarried. I built that company to leave something to my children. I'm the only parent looking out for them as my ex has been kind of a deadbeat."
"Sean wasn't even in the picture when I started it. I will not create a trust fund for his child, either, like he asked. None of these requests had been previously discussed but came up once his lawyer showed up."
The OP didn't think Sean's 18-year-old daughter should be involved in the agreement.
"I did agree to help her financially, give her an allowance, and help pay for a car. I also agreed to pay full health insurance and contribute to her college housing plus contribute to her education."
"She has a successful mom, so my logic is that she already has someone willing to give her a good start in life since Sean isn't financially able. His daughter is an adult (18 Female) while my kids are in grade school, and I need to make sure they are taken care of while she's already at an age where she can get a job."
"I offered to contribute to a fund for her first home but it seems like nothing I offered was good enough."
"I love his kid, but I didn't raise her, and she will never see me as her mom, and I respect that. Her mom's family owns a business and her mom owns her home in a very good area. It's not like she depends on me to have a good life."
"I wanted it to be fair since her mom, Sean, and I could contribute."
The OP tried to make a point to Sean, but it backfired.
"So Sean and I had an argument because he sent me a breakdown of how much I'm supposed to make off my business over the next few years. I lost my temper because it felt like a 'gotcha' situation."
"I confronted him about my own kids and asked what he would contribute to them. He went silent, so I said I wanted their names on the deed to a piece of land that he owns but hasn't been able to develop because he doesn't have the funds."
"He was surprised and accused me of trying to dilute his inheritance to his daughter and being generally unfair since she has less than what my kids will end up having."
"I just wanted him to see my point, but I made things worse. We used to be able to talk outside of the prenup, but now, if I don't get his sarcasm, it's his dry behavior that's driving me crazy."
"He said he's surprised at my greed and accused me of othering his child. I'm trying to figure out if I came across as a bad stepmother. Also, I'm not ruling out helping all our kids start their own businesses if they want to, but I can't guarantee its success since we are not there yet."
The OP didn't know what other choice she had but to end things.
"Canceling the engagement sounded like the most sensible decision, and I'm astonished this is actually happening. I don't know how to navigate."
"His last messages have been very hurtful, and he says I'm showing my true colors. He told me to thank you for my dishonesty and how I truly feel about his daughter."
"My best friend is p**sed and threatens to put him on blast if he keeps this up."
"I'm confused since I didn't expect our relationship to end like this."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that Sean's true colors were showing through, not the OP's.
"NTA."
"First off, I'm sorry you're having to experience this, at least from an emotional standpoint. It can't be easy, but to be honest, your stance towards the prenuptial sounded reasonable and, if anything, overly generous to his kiddo (in my honest opinion)."
"Anyhow, It sounds like he's showing his true colors, and it's fortunate they were on display before marrying him. If he helped you build the business venture, it'd be one thing... but he didn't. Now he's throwing a tantrum because he wants a one-way contract that only benefits his own kid?! Oof."
"Marriage, at least on the legal side of things, is a contract. Would you entertain a lopsided contract related to your business? Why would (or should) it be different in your private life when you and your children's financial wellbeing is being negotiated?" - Ornery-Platypus-1
"You trying to protect your financial future and make sure, as a single mother, that your children are protected as well is NOT greed. Him trying to financially screw you over for his and his child's benefit while offering absolutely nothing for your children IS greed."
"And he truly showed you who he is. Believe him now. His daughter has three adults willing to take care of her needs. Yours have only one. They are your priority."
"Send him a text message mirroring his projections if he keeps harassing you, 'Thank you for showing your true colors before the wedding. Now, I can protect my children from a gold-digging predator who has nothing to offer but feels entitled to something that doesn't belong to him. Good luck finding another golden goose to leech off.'"
"He keeps getting together with powerful and smart women and wants to rip them off while doing nothing. That's not how it works. Cut your losses, OP." - MashaSP
"The fact that his daughter's mother is also a business owner shows that Shawn is a type that has a type. He seems to be a chronic underachiever/underearner who goes after successful women who can provide what he cannot. Where did he find his attorney so quickly? Prior relationship, that's where."
"I hope that OP kicks this gold digger to the curb. She's made too many sacrifices to just hand it off to a greedy leech." - Opinion8Her
"OP, I just want to reassure you that you haven't said anything that shows you as a bad stepmother, and hopefully your almost-stepdaughter can see that."
"I'm saying this to you as someone's stepdaughter. My stepmom is very successful. My mother is not, so I don't have that to fall back on. None of the changes the fact that I don't have a right to expect my stepmom to do for me as she does for her own kids."
"She has been very generous with me and my family, but it's very little compared to what she does for her own bio kids. I love her very much and we are very close, and her choices on how to share her success have never ever been a problem for us. I'm not the same as her bio kids, so why would I expect the same? That makes no sense." - SincerelyCynical
"Puhleeeeeease!! If anything, it sounds like HIS child, with at least three parents, is going to come out the winner here. Then of course this douche can sit back and not do jack s**t because the women in his life are doing it for him."
"(I didn't see if OP mentioned any stepdad for his daughter and I'm figuring that her kids aren't suffering for lack of sperm donor, but also didn't see it mentioned.)"
"Most definitely NTA! Bless you for being good to your kids and making sure they're taken care of first. Also tremendously admirable that you offered what you DID for the stepdaughter. That was a HUGE offer and he's a damn money-grubbing, gold-digging fool." - Hot-Attorney-4542
Others agreed and were certain Sean was not the partner that the OP deserved.
"This man is a moocher, a gold digger, and a terrible partner."
"It hurts to go so far and then have everything go sideways but part of why you have a pre-nup is because things like this will come out before you get married instead of after. It's not just to protect you in the event of a divorce, it's to bring everything into the light and find out how everybody really feels."
"The fact that he's trying to vilify her when she is her children's only financial support and they are still young is crazy."
"I tend to give people the huge benefit of the doubt, and I don't like to judge people when they aren't successful because I have had many periods of struggle in my life. OP reminds me very much of myself. And up until my current relationship, I have had a problem with giving men too much slack when they are underachievers."
"I didn't realize that while we might have been in similar places financially, I was ambitious, determined, and hardworking, and he was a slacker who was never going to do anything more. I didn't feel I was in a place to judge, but I was wrong."
"You don't have to judge somebody's value as a human being to judge that they are not the correct partner for you."
"He is making it very clear he is not the correct partner for her." - BojackTrashMan
"Sean definitely sees OP as a golden goose. It's astounding and entirely out of line for him to think he or his daughter should get any share of assets that OP accumulated on her own."
"It's also hilarious for Sean to accuse OP of being greedy after he tried to fleece her for as much as possible. OP, praise the heavens that Sean revealed his true character early enough for you to escape easily!" - Fresh-Guarantee-757
"I know how hard it is to finally see someone you loved for who they really are. Be true to yourself and your values and don't let this man make you feel remotely bad for standing up for what's right. You owe him zero. His asking you to fund his daughter is ludicrous, just as one example."
"You have built an amazing career for yourself. You deserve someone who is your equal. They are out there. You'll find one. NTA." - Aylauria
"No man that loves you would have done what he did. No man who would see himself as a father figure to your children would have reacted the way he did to the land issue."
"So sorry that you have this experience, but the situation screams that he won't be the partner to support you but a source of drama and emotional stress and potentially financial issues if you stay together." - Aivendii
"NTA. This guy is a greedy entitled, ahole. It is hilarious that he is accusing you of being dishonest when he is literally a Golddigger. He doesn't want to share what he owns. He only wants your money."
"His daughter is 18. You're not her mother figure in any way, and you were super generous with the things you offered to help her with."
"You just dodged an enormous bullet. I know it doesn't seem like it now, but this is for the best."
"This guy doesn't actually care about you. Nobody that really cared about you would act like this loser."
"You'll find somebody who actually appreciates you and wants to build a life together and not just have access to your money."
"I'm sorry OP. But you'll definitely find somebody better, and it's better to find out how s**tty he is now before y'all are actually married." - Pippet_4
After receiving feedback, the OP shared a brief update to confirm the end of the engagement.
"UPDATE: I broke up with him, not just the engagement since the whole deal felt like a bitter divorce rather than a step towards married life."
While the subReddit was sad on the OP's behalf that her engagement had dissolved in such a hurtful and surprising manner, they were grateful that the OP learned her partner's true nature before marrying and committing her finances to him and his daughter.
The right person who valued her, her efforts, and her family in the way she deserved would surely come along eventually.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.