The circle of life is such that our parents care for us in our infancy, and then as they reach their twilight years, it's our turn to care for them.
For many, this might simply mean moving them into a nursing home or an assisted living facility.
For others, however, this might mean moving back in with them to provide all necessary help.
No matter the circumstances, however, it's sadly not at all uncommon for this help to be met with anything but appreciation.
Redditor RelativeSomewhere824 and their husband recently moved in with their father-in-law (FIL), specifically to help him out following the death of his wife.
While the original poster (OP) and their husband were more than happy to do so, they were somewhat surprised by a condition the OP's FIL instilled for their moving in.
A condition that the OP and their husband were unwilling to oblige.
Wondering if they were out of line, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The A**hole Here" (AITAH).
Unlike the similar "Am I The A**Hole" (AITA) subReddit, AITAH allows Redditors to ask for advice on issues that are not permitted on AITA, such as asking for advice or posting about ending relationships. Nor are voting acronyms required or a final judgment declared.
The OP asked fellow Redditors:
"AITAH- refusing to pay my father-in-law $400 a week to live in his mortgage-free home after we moved in to help him?"
The OP explained why they were a bit surprised by a demand their FIL made after they agreed to move in:
"My mother-in-law passed away last year."
"It was devastating for everyone."
"After she passed, my father-in-law asked my husband and I to move into the family home to help him because he didn't want to live alone."
"The plan is to put a granny flat/tiny home out the back and we would live in the main house with our two children."
"For context: when my MIL passed, my FIL received roughly $300,000."
"My husband and I received nothing."
"The home is mortgage-free."
"Now, after we've started organizing the move, he's saying he expects us to pay him a minimum of $400 per week in rent on top of covering all bills."
"Before agreeing to move in, it was clearly my understanding that we would cover all household bills and pay for a cleaner fortnightly for both the main house and granny flat."
"To make this move happen, we have to re-home both of our dogs."
"My children lose access to a backyard because of the granny flat build, We won't be able to use the driveway/carport."
"Most of his and my MIL's belongings will remain in the main house with us, meaning we're sharing space rather than having full use of it."
"He works full-time and receives about 62% pension income."
"The house is fully paid off."
"He is not financially struggling."
"I completely understand it's his property and legally he can charge whatever he wants."
"That's not my argument."
"My issue is that the expectations changed after we committed to uprooting our lives to help him."
"If $400 per week had been said at the beginning we wouldn't have agreed."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in, with some using the voting acronyms:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
The Reddit community agreed that the OP and their husband should not need to pay their FIL after they agreed to move in with him to help him out.
Everyone agreed that not only should the OP not pay rent to their FIL, but they also shouldn't move in with him at all, with many shocked that the OP and their husband rehomed their dogs in order to go through with this.
"Tell him to use that money for a CNA because you won't be moving."
"NTA."- stoic_yakker
"NTA."
"Do not go through with it, rent your own place because he'll keep changing the agreement and you will resent your husband because of his father."
"If this isn't sorted out before you move, you'll be back here in 6 months asking if you're the a-hole for wanting to divorce your husband."- Dal-Ron
"Why the hell are you doing this?"- t4ngerinedre4ms
"NTA."
"This is a bad idea I would talk with your spouse and make plans to find alternative living accommodations."- Background_System726
"Stop everything."
"Do not move in with him."
"'Doesnt want to be alone' is code for you will become the one doing everything and he wants you to pay for doing it."
"NTA. If you want to move closer to him, sure, do that."
"But do not move into the 4-months-gone woman's home with all their stuff like you're the ones who fell on difficulty and needed a place to live."- FeistyIrishWench
"NTA."
"It would be a mistake to continue with plans to move in now that he's changing the terms."
"Him asking for more money than originally agreed before you've even moved is a huge red flag."
"This living situation isn't going to work out."
"In addition to the money, the granny flat isn't built yet and he hasn't cleared away belongings to make space for your family."
"Living with him would make you miserable and poor."
"Don't do it."- teresajs
"What positives are there for you and your family in this scenario?"
"Sounds like absolutely '0'."
"This is a terrible idea and I hope your husband sees this too."- hecklenjeckyl
"Stop the move your losing more then it's helping."- HeartAccording5241
"NTA."
"Do NOT do this."
"You are going to pay for the privilege of living in his storage unit and paying for his housekeeper."
"While giving up your pets (what kind of sh*tty people dump their dogs for this?!?!?!) and taking away a yard for your kids."
"Oh and no parking either."
"This is absurd and will be a disaster."
"Why on earth would you do this to yourself or your kids?"- Dachshundmom5
"NTA."
"But this is such a bad idea."- Sunmoon98
"Easy one."
'Don't move."
"There is absolutely no benefit to you or your family."- GonnaBeIToldUSo
"NTA."
"Stay where you are."- FitSprinkles6307
"Gentle YTA to yourself for agreeing to any of this BS."
"Even without paying $400/week this is a terrible arrangement for your family."
"Uprooting kids, losing pets, and any sense of personal space by living among ILs stuff sounds like a nightmare scenario."
"I understand wanting to be closer to help but this isn't the way."
"I'd put a full stop to a move into his house and only consider moving to a separate but closer home unless he's willing to properly downsize and let you have the main house to live in as you wish."
"NTA for refusing to pay."- KingsRansom79
"NTAH."
"Cancel the move."- NagaApi8888
"Seems he's gotten over the passing of his wife, so you should move out."- GMEloser69
"The core problem is not money, it is consent under changing conditions."
"You agreed to one version of shared living built on mutual support."
"He replaced it with a landlord tenant dynamic after you made sacrifices."
"Refusing the new terms is not selfish, it is asserting that help should not require disadvantaging your own family."- Outside_Brush_5795
"YTA for rehoming your dogs."
"FIL could have learned to live on his own and make a new life for himself."
"He works full-time so what does he need your company for?"- Kukka63
"No!"
"Don't get rid of the dogs!"
"This sounds like an awful plan."- Zoomieland
"I guess you and your husband thought that it will be a good sacrifice for a mortgage free house that's not yours without having details in writing."
"FIL is still working full time and may even get remarried, I feel bad for the poor dogs you gave away and your children."- lyretski
"NTA!"
"You should have said no when rehoming your dogs came up."
"Stay where you are and keep your dogs."- Huge-Personality-737
"You say that expectations changed."
"He might argue that this was always the plan and you just didn't understand or realize it."
"Unless there is a written contract it's really just your word against his."
"The important thing, though, is that you haven't made the move."
"It sounds as though you haven't rehomed your dogs yet, and presumably haven't sold your home (or ended your lease, etc)."
"If you aren't on board with paying $400/week rent on top of bills then you shouldn't make the move."
"It's as simple as that."
"If he really just wants someone to help him he can either change the conditions to ones that are more favorable, or he can hire someone."
"You are definitely NTA of you decide not to make the move."
"This is absolutely what I would decide in the situation."
"If you go ahead with it, though, then refuse to pay him the rent he asks that would be a different situation."- PandaMime_421
Had the OP and their husband been moving owing to their own financial distress, their FIL charging them rent wouldn't be so out of the ordinary.
The fact that they are uprooting their lives to ensure he won't be alone, however, is a completely different matter.
It seems a more than likely possibility that the OP and their husband might reconsider, leaving one to wonder if their FIL alone...
A far worse price than $400 a week...
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
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