Weddings and wedding guests.
Oh, what a tangled web that can be weaved.
How many people get an invite, and how many plus-ones is everyone owed?
These are the questions that have to be answered even before the seating chart debacle.
It can all get pretty awkward when it comes to plus-ones.
Case in point...
Redditor Extensioncordhuh wanted to discuss her experience and get some feedback. So naturally, she came to visit the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit.
She asked:
"WIBTA for not inviting my poly friend's partners to my wedding?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"I (25 F[emale]) am getting married in September."
"My husband, Mike and I are doing a big wedding for 250 guests."
"I've always dreamed of having a storybook wedding."
"I asked my best friend Marissa (25 F) to be my M[aid] O[f] H[onor], and she happily agreed."
"She's been a huge help to me in every step of planning the wedding."
"Marissa is in a poly relationship, and she has 3 partners."
"Greg (24 M[ale]), Brandon (27 M) and Ace (22 N[on]-B[inary])."
"She's been with Greg for 5 years and was the first partner she had."
"They added Brandon and Ace over the course of their relationship, with Ace being the newest member."
"They all date each other and seem to be happy."
"I don't really 'get' it, if I'm being honest, but it's not my business."
"However, the issue came into play when Mike (32 M) pulled me aside and said while he loves Marissa, he didn't feel like spending the wedding explaining her love life to his family."
"Which I understand, they are very conservative and hardly accept L[esbian] G[ay] B[isexual] T[ransgender] people as is, let alone an LGBT polyset."
"I had already reserved 4 spots for Marissa and company, but my husband suggested he invite a few coworkers to take the partners' spots, and Marissa could come alone."
"I didn't want to ruin his big day, so I agreed reluctantly."
"I know I should have told Marissa from the get-go, but I just couldn't bring myself to do it."
"So when the invite went out, she called me up immediately and asked why she didn't have a plus three invite."
"I explained to her exactly what I said above, and she just said 'oh' and hung up."
"Next thing I know, Brandon is calling me and begging me to reconsider, saying they promise they won't act like they are in a relationship, but they want to be there for me."
"Except I can hear Greg in the background telling him tell me to f**k off and that I'm am a**hole, and he doesn't even want to go."
"I explain to Brandon that I already gave their 'spots' to Mike's coworkers."
"Brandon says okay thank you, and hangs up."
"Marissa texts me the next day saying she isn't coming unless they can go."
"Mike said he can't uninvite his co-workers now, so it's not his problem."
"I told him I would add them and pay the costs, and he just said if I want to spend the whole time explaining their relationship to people, then so be it."
"But he isn't wasting his time doing it and will just send people my way."
"Our other friends think I'm an a**hole, but Mike's friend and a few of my nonmutual friends don't think I am."
"Just want some more unbiased opinions."
"So AITA?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed some options to the question AITA:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared OP would be the A**hole.
"YWBTA. Intentionally or not, you put the opinion of bigots over the reality of your friends."
"They likely feel betrayed, especially at short notice."
"Could Mike's family be given a stern warning instead?"
"Such as 'There will be no comments on people at our wedding. If you cannot keep it to yourself, you will leave?'" ~ OurMasterAM
"Honestly, at a 250-person wedding, how would his family even notice a poly relationship?"
"It's not like people in relationships have a banner over their heads."
"It will just be 4 people at a wedding, and if anyone notices one person kissing 3 different people (unlikely) they would still be the a**holes for bringing it up to the groom on his wedding day."
"Agreed with YTA because the worry is purely about excluding the poly people, not any real issue they would cause." ~ tomtink1
"Yeah, obviously OP didn't think any of this through — I mean, she didn't even have the respect or conviction to tell her supposed friend."
"None of this is guided by logic, kindness, or principle, just by OP being a doormat who wants to have her fairytale wedding."
"And is too immature to think for five seconds about how that wedding will actually go down."
"And, more importantly, what will happen after, when she has to rely on her AH husband for all of her interpersonal fulfillment because her cruelty and cowardice have alienated all her friends."
"Editing to reflect on all the handwringing under this comment about whether Mike is genuinely bigoted or just appeasing his family, whether that distinction matters, whether it was crass for Marissa to expect a +3 in the first place... because I don't think any of that matters."
"What matters is that OP claimed to be one of Marissa's closest friends, happily used her labor for the wedding under that premise, and gave Marissa the impression she would be attending the wedding with all of her partners so she could fully enjoy the wedding she worked so hard on."
"What matters is that at the slightest resistance, OP immediately broke that commitment to her friend."
"What matters is that OP knew that behavior was wrong but was too cowardly and childish to talk to Marissa, instead letting her find out in an incredibly impersonal way, dramatically compounding the hurt and betrayal.
"OP is too childish to treat her friends with basic respect and care, and therefore too childish to get married." ~ yet_another_sock
"Her supposed friend who is also the maid of honor and has been a tremendous help during the planning."
"I would feel so used and disrespected to be blindsided with this in the invite."
"OP YTA already for agreeing and not telling your MOH that you've changed your mind about her partners (she was clearly expecting an invite for all 3)."
"If you've accepted any help since the decision was made, you're even a bigger AH, and if you don't fix this, you won't have any chance to salvage your relationship with your friend, if you have any as it is."
"Your soon-to-be husband is a bigot."
"This is not about explaining things to the family." ~ Mystic_printer_
"She couldn't even stand up to her husband before inviting his coworkers."
"She just caved to his command."
"OP YTA times 1000."
"How dare you not stand up for your MOH and her partners."
"Oh, wait a minute."
"The coworkers were SO more important."
"He may be your future husband, but you just threw all your morals out the window for him."
"Guess you'll know what this marriage will be like."
"Him telling you what to do and you following his lead."
"Good luck with that." ~ ConsequenceLaw5333
"Why is OP even marrying someone who thinks his whole family is going to be spending the wedding wondering what everyone else is doing in bed?"
"It sounds to me like it's Groom who doesn't want them there, and he's using his family as an excuse."
"OP, YWBTA." ~tasinca
OP came back with some details...
"I am the a**hole, that's for sure."
"I followed a lot of advice in this post and asked Mike what he thinks in the morning."
"He said to talk to Marissa first and see what she wants, and we'll make it work."
"I also had him read over the post himself, and he said that a lot of the comments opened his eyes on how he himself was coming off."
"So we both decided to call Marissa together and beg for forgiveness."
"We called her, and she was happy to talk."
"We explained our side of things but acknowledged that it was a massive f**k up and could have been handled so much better."
"We invited her and her partners, obviously, and said we would be happy to do whatever it takes to have them forgive us."
"She asked her partners about it, and Brandon and Greg both agreed they would prefer to just 'split' the set up."
"So Greg and Marissa would be a couple for the wedding, and Brandon and Ace would be a couple."
"They, however, would need to talk to Ace first (they were at work), and that they would get back to me."
"So that's where we currently stand."
"I never told Marissa I was inviting her partners. I just had a list of invites with Mike."
"I'm still the a**hole but I wanted to explain that."
Reddit continued...
"Most conservatives can't spot a gay person to save themselves unless they are a walking stereotype, let alone comprehend what a poly relationship is."
"OP has told his friends that he values smoothing things over with a**holes more than he values their friendship, and that sucks." ~ SunnydaleHigh1999
"I expected the problem to be cost or size when I read the title, but it turns out its just bigoted people."
"If she's willing to exclude her friends for family members like that, then she deserves them. YWBTA." ~ DrWhoop87
"YWBTA yes, and your husband seems incredibly little involved in your happiness."
"Like this is your best friend, you are now having an argument with, and he seems uninterested and cold."
"I would not want to marry someone so distant to my emotional life." ~ klover_clover
OP had one last detail...
"Ace got out of work a few hours ago, and we all got on speaker phone and had a long conversation with this post pulled up."
"The crew was all happy to be defended but did think people went a little harder than they would have, even Greg."
"He actually laughed at me calling him self-absorbed because he is lol."
"Anyway. We're all good."
"They are coming."
"They gave permission to tell Mike's parents."
"We called them after, and they understood but said don't let Nanni know, or she'll be asking questions all night."
"It's been a huge relief, and I think we learned how to communicate better as a couple."
Well OP, Reddit had quite a bit to say.
But it's refreshing to see adults behave like adults once in a while.
You acknowledged your fault and communicated.
Maybe others will read all of this and learn a thing or two.
Congratulations, and good luck on the future as Mr and Mrs.!!















Trans Man Considers Breaking Off Engagement After Fiancé Wants Him To Wear A Dress For Wedding
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A lot of people often say, "Believe people when they tell you who they are the first time."
It's one of life's truest (and ignored) sayings.
Believe a person when they are drunk and spew words as well.
Often, a few drinks will help a person let loose on how they really feel.
And then take note.
Redditor dude-e23 wanted to discuss his experience and get some feedback, so naturally, he came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
He asked:
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Hi, I'm sorry for the potentially bad English; it's not my first language anyway."
"I'm a 26-year-old male who recently got engaged to my fiancè, a 28-year-old male."
"For the sake of the story, I'm going to call him Mark."
"I'm a trans man, and this will be relevant to the story."
"Mark and I have been going out for 4 years, and I wasn't on testosterone when we met, and only started recently."
"Mark had never had any issues with my gender identity; he always respected my pronouns and my gender, or so I thought."
"Recently, we were over at his parents' when the topic of the wedding planning came up."
"His mom asked about our wedding outfits, and Mark, who was a bit drunk at this point, said, 'I want to put (my name) in a dress so SHE can be prepared for HER future wifey duty.'"
"I was stunned, and I could see how uncomfortable his mom was."
"I said we were leaving and took Mark home."
"It happened yesterday, and I'm genuinely thinking of breaking it off."
"I've struggled a lot with my identity, and a big part of my family cut me off after my coming out."
"Right now, Mark is at work, and I pretended to be asleep when he left, but now I can't stop overthinking small details like how he used some feminine term in bed or how he always hated when I cut my hair short."
"But maybe he thought it was funny, and he was too drunk to realize what he was saying."
The OP was left to wonder:
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed in on some options to the question, AITA:
Redditors declared that OP was NOT the A-hole.
"Yeah, so it turns out that this isn't the case."
"Please don't marry him."
"He fundamentally doesn't respect who you are."
"And to be honest, this would be a disturbing enough statement if you were a woman."
"You can't tie yourself down to this person." ~ HighRiseCat
"Yes! It would still be icky and questionable for him to say this if OP presented as a CIS female - but the fact that OP is a trans man makes it horrifying. WTF?!" ~ MarionberryOk2874
"NOR. I'm a cisgender, heterosexual married woman, so my experience with dating is very different from yours, but if my fiancé said 'She will be wearing a modest dress to get used to life as a married woman' or 'She needs to wear a low cut dress, so I can see what I'm buying' or anything along those lines, I would have called it off quickly."
"The dismissal of your identity is problematic as hell, but so is the little hint that married life will be radically different and not in a lovely, better way."
"Your wedding attire should reflect you, your identity, your values, comfort, and inspire confidence."
"You deserve that."
"Everyone deserves that." ~ ankareeda
"NOR, have a direct conversation with him about this, and don't get legally entangled with him."
"He shouldn't be thinking this is funny anyway; drunkness is not an excuse here, you're his partner of many years." ~ Fit_Square1322
"If these things that he says are coming out when he's drunk, that probably means he's thinking about these issues of your gender presentation, but he's not telling you what he's thinking."
"He sounds very emotionally immature and not ready for marriage." ~ GreenDirt2
"Bro, drunk words are sober thoughts with the volume turned up."
"Thought it was funny isn’t a defense."
"It’s a confession."
"He told his mom who he actually thinks you are."
"You survived your family cutting you off to live as you."
"You don’t owe anyone a second round of that grief because your fiancé can’t handle pronouns after 4 years." ~ BabydolllVibess
"Oh, my God??!!"
"Dude, that’s crazy. Please dump his as*."
"He clearly doesn’t see you as a man, and if you marry him, you’re resigning yourself to a life of being misgendered, and he’s probably gonna try and detransition you or feminize you (seeing as he wants you to wear a DRESS)."
"Also, I’m a trans dude, and I think it’s important that you hear a fellow trans man say this."
"You need to leave."
"You’re a man, and it’s insane that he’s trying to make you feel like you aren’t."
"The breakup will probably suck, but if you stay with him, it’ll be 100x worse." ~ mothmn_9
"NOR, I’ve learned drunk people usually speak more honestly than they mean to."
"I’d guess his mask slipped off; this is certainly grounds for leaving if he can’t accept who you are as you are." ~ Defiant_Tea_8722
"You’re not overreacting."
"I don’t think he actually respects you and who you are as a person."
"He called you feminine things all throughout your relationship."
"Maybe he never accepted you, and I’m sorry."
"I know that's a lot, but I know you will find someone who actually respects you and cares for you truly." ~ Due_Classic_4090
"Some people would tell you that people say things they don’t mean when they’re drunk. I think that’s BS."
"In my experience, it just removes their filter, and everything they say has an underlying truth to it."
"Knowing your gender identity and what you prefer, his words seem very disrespectful towards you and inconsiderate of your feelings, and being drunk isn’t a good enough excuse."
"If you have doubts, don’t just brush them off; trust your gut." ~ Kitchen_Process_8351
"NOR."
"I’m a cis woman, but my first serious relationship was with a trans man."
"Frankly, he was abusive, and I don’t even like or respect him, but still I would NEVER misgender him, because I sincerely understand that he’s a man."
"And I’m not an a**hole."
"Your partner is an a**hole." ~ tigalicious
"NOR. That’s a major breach of trust."
"Your relationship has gone on long enough for him to know that sh*t isn’t cool and is not a matter to joke over, even if he’s drunk (unless he has a drinking problem, in which case he needs to address that before marriage and work to make amends)." ~ Moist_Drippings
"NOR. It sounds like he might be counting on your gender identity to be 'just a phase' and that after the marriage, he’ll expect you to embody the 'wifely' role fully."
"He isn’t taking you seriously as a man, and it doesn’t sound like he’s actually on board for a homosexual marriage."
"Get out of there!" ~ Amwfgoddess
"NOR. My biggest concern is the potential for abuse - wifey duty?"
"Not even a conservative man says something like that."
"It's a pure trash statement."
"My first marriage was to an addict... 'DRUNKEN WORDS ARE SOBER THOUGHTS!'"
"😔 I'm so sorry. 🫂" ~ pashinates
OP returned with an UPDATE:
"I dont know if this is how you update, but anyway..."
"Mark and I are done."
"He came home from work an hour and a half ago, and I made him dinner so we could eat and talk."
"I told him what he said deeply hurt me, that I felt like he didn't respect me and saw me as a woman."
"He said that until recently he always saw me as a man, even though I'm the more feminine side (whatever that means), but since I've started taking testosterone, he realized he was less attracted to me and started to resent me."
"Which is f**king weird because my appearance didn't even change that much, and that he needed to take the 'lead' of the relationship again."
"By then, I had heard enough."
"I made it clear we were done and that this type of behavior was not okay and that it'll never be okay."
"That he had to go to therapy and work on his insecurities, but that I couldn't stay with him."
"At this point, he was apologizing and almost pleading with me to stay, but I really did not want to stay, so I took all my essentials and called my friend."
"I'm currently waiting for her to pick me up."
"I'm so confused about how someone I loved so much could betray me like that."
"I'll ask my friend and her husband if they can go back to take my other stuff later on because I really don't want to see him."
"I'm safe, my friend set me up in the guest bedroom, and I'm so grateful I have her."
"Mark and his family have been blowing up my phone."
"His mom, bless her heart, has only asked how I was and said that no matter what, she'll always see me as her son and that she's sorry about Mark's behavior, but his dad and brother have been sending me very insulting texts that included slurs."
"Mark threatened to 'go get me,' but luckily, he doesn't know where my friend lives."
"Honestly, I don't even recognize the man I was with."
"I'm thinking about moving to another city where I could live with my cousin until I'm back on my feet, but that's a whole other story."
"I'm planning to keep in contact with Mark's mom, and I'll be meeting up with her on Thursday."
"Thank you so much for opening my eyes and for making me realize Mark's behavior was not normal."
This is such a heartbreaking story.
So sorry you had to go through this, OP.
Reddit is loudly 1000% with you.
It's wonderful that you have love and support.
Stay strong.