People can bond over shared experiences, good or bad. Sometimes those bonds turn to romance.
But if the only commonality is one experience, the relationship may not last. Still, it might be worth pursuing.
A soon-to-be ex-husband turned to the "Am I The A**Hole" (AITAH) subreddit for feedback on his dating life.
Similar to AITA, the AITAH subReddit allows posters to ask for advice and post about ending romantic relationships—like this post. However there are no official voting acronyms and no final judgment given.
Semidarkcave asked:
"AITAH for dating the wife of my wife's affair partner?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"My wife (45, female) cheated on me (45, male) with a man. When I found out, I informed his wife Karen—actually her real name, believe it or not, she is very sweet though—and she threatened divorce."
"He got angry, and he started to attack her. She escaped to her neighbours and called the cops."
"He is in police custody and awaiting trial. Karen and I grew close after that."
"My wife and I made an attempt to fix our marriage, but I didn't put in much effort because I was finding myself getting close to Karen."
"My wife found out about our texts and gave me an ultimatum to stop texting her. I refused and formally asked Karen on a date."
"I am also in the process of divorce, and my wife is harassing Karen. Telling her I am only with her because she is manipulative. That she deserved to get attacked, etc..."
"My friends are saying that I should reconsider my relationship with Karen because it will create a lot of complications in my life."
"But I don't want to, I think it could be a real relationship for me."
"What do you guys think?"
Some Redditors weighed in by using the AITA voting acronyms:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was
"Yeah, sometimes good things come from bad situations. You didn't go looking for this, but if it feels real, there's nothing wrong with seeing where it goes." ~ Dzreamy
"It's rare, but I love stories like this. It's fate."
"Your ex- and her ex (both seem like awful people, but a man who beats a woman is even a bigger piece of sh*t) Tell your ex to put her clown makeup on for two reasons."
"1st: She looks like a clown for complaining about a mess she started."
"2nd: It will work to disguise the bruises she will take from her great new choice."
"That being said, don't make it the center of your new relationship, no need to carry the trauma into the new space…" ~ Planetofthetakes
"You didn't start the mess your ex did if Karen brings you peace, and it's mutual. There's nothing wrong with finding comfort in each other after all that pain." ~ FayeLea
"It was about power for the ex-wife. She saw the a**hole as a 'real man' and felt powerful when she cheated with him and stole him from Karen.
"Now everybody knows he is a small insecure loser that hit his wife, so he is no longer a high status man. Karen and OP finding each other killed her chance of going back to OP until the next affair." ~ Trick-Independence58
"Toxic narcissists don't believe they ever do anything wrong. She wants a life with no consequences and is mad to find out there are some." ~ Trick_Sandwich_7208
"NTA. Get a good lawyer, they can argue the message 'she deserves to get beaten' is a threat and you and your partner need a restraining order on top of a divorce." ~ SockMaster9273
"NTA, but bonding over shared betrayal is a real thing, and it can come back to haunt you later in life. Enjoy the time with Karen, but don't commit completely for a few more years." ~ HasOneHere
"NTA. However, it is quite a messy situation. You should pump the brakes and not date her until you're done your divorce."
"Let the dust settle, and then you two can get to know each other. Right now, trauma is bringing you together."
"They always say the first relationship after a divorce doesn't make it cuz it's the rebound relationship and in this case it's major rebound."
"It's revenge and rebound all rolled into one. So slow it down, and don't be stupid." ~ NaturesVividPictures
"NTA This is not uncommon. Thank your wife for helping to match you with your soulmate. It's a beautiful how I met your mother moment." ~ WhatIsYourPronoun
"You know I'm kind of awed by this situation, it's musical chairs, but not the fun sort. You're fine, other than having a jerk for a wife, the other woman is fine, except for having a felon for a husband."
"And then there is you, forget the wife. She doesn't deserve your consideration. The other woman does, but only casually right now. She is in a bad spot at the moment, her husband is in jail, money might be an issue, she needs support."
"You're also in a bad place, bad wife, and you've got to be feeling a little inadequate. So what to do? Go slow, let the divorces play out, help her, if you must, but understand that when the dust settles, you both might be in different places."
"Especially, since you both were cheated on, why did that happen in your marriages? After that, you can really work on a long-term relationship with her or someone new." ~ One_Veterinarian3174
"Your wife broke the marriage first, and you're under no obligation to avoid someone who treated you with respect, especially when that connection grew out of shared trauma."
"Karen isn't the problem here; your wife's cheating, manipulation, and harassment are."
"As long as you and Karen are both consenting adults and healing together in a healthy way, you don't owe anyone else an apology." ~ SoftlySpirited
"Getting cheated on sucks. My husband had an affair with his assistant at work, and it practically put me in the ground. She wasn't married, but I never..."
"I know the type of responses that will be here, but after having spent some time in the Reddit infidelity forums, these types of relationships are rarely healthy."
"But you do you, and I truly hope you find peace and happiness." ~ WildMaineBlueberry87
"NTA. However, your friends have a point. Your ex is trash and deserves the karma."
"That said, you were literally trying to reconcile until she hit you with a dirty ultimatum. Then you turned around to date who she warned you about."
"So although her motives may be trash, she had a point. There was a reason for her to worried."
"So, I am not saying not to date Karen. In fact, it's the dreamy, romantic thing to do. However, this isn't a hallmark movie, and you displayed strong signs of codependency in your own story without realizing it."
"You really need to slow the hell down, take your time with this. Go super slow and consider some therapy for yourself. Be yourself and the man you can be for Karen, not her white knight who loses himself all over again." ~ Odd_Welcome7940
"My dad and his current wife were in the same position. His ex was having an affair with his now wife's husband. They cried on each others shoulder then married. They were together for over 30 years before her death." ~ Failed1962
"Your soon-to-be ex-wife cheated on you… hence you have nothing to answer for… do what you want. Trying to save a marriage when someone cheated is only possible if both really want it and that's doubtful based on the evidence presented in most cases." ~ PCenthusiast85
"Your wife was entertaining another man with her ankles in the air, bro. She gets no say ever again on how you run your love life."
"You and Karen becoming close is somewhat common due to the shared trauma of betrayal."
"Your marriage was cooked the moment your wife cheated so proceed with the divorce in clean conscience and enjoy your time with and getting to know Karen. You deserve it." ~ LincolnHawkHauling
"NTA, I mean, it will complicate your life, but you two deserve a chance at happiness after being with dickhead spouses, so give it a shot."
"Your wife sounds lovely (snark), she sounds jealous that you have a shot with someone while her affair partner is now facing abuse charges, and rightfully so." ~ Sparklingwine23
"I can speak from experience as the exact same thing, minus the beating and the cops' involvement, happened to me. Essentially my neighbor and I swapped wives."
"They're still together, but unfortunately, about two years afterward, my relationship ended with the other wife. Where it gets dicey, at least it did with us, is if you have kids. If there's no kids..."
"You like her, she likes you, you're both adults? Go at it. It will definitely make your divorce and hers a lot harder because you'll have to deal with the exes."
"Just make sure that it's not the situation at hand that you base your relationship on. Good luck." ~ Whole_thing_2121
"NTA. She cheated, and you're divorcing each other. If no children are involved, then go for it, but if either of you have kids, I'd say proceed very slowly. That's where things get complicated." ~ Srvntgrrl_789
There may be a long-term relationship here, but proceeding with caution is good advice.















Woman Breaks Up With 'Clingy' Boyfriend For Making Joke About 'Getting With' Her Sister
As much as we might want to date someone, there's no point in trying to gain the attention and affection of someone who does not want to reciprocate.
Dating someone "similar" to fill that void isn't a good look, either, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Flashy-External1666 had been long-distance dating a guy from her friend group for about a month, even though he'd expressed his attraction to her older sister repeatedly before they started dating.
When her sister entered a new relationship, the Original Poster (OP) was hurt and disgusted that her boyfriend insinuated that he could have been trying to "get with" her sister while he was instead busy dating her.
She asked the sub:
The OP was aware that her boyfriend had his eye on someone close to her before dating her.
"I (19 Female) am with M (21 Male), and we've been together for a month. We were friends before this, for a while."
"For some background, when we were in a friend group, he'd always talk about how my sister (23 Female) was super hot and how he wanted her, but she was in a relationship at the time."
When he found out that her sister had been in-between relationships, he had an unsavory reaction.
"Earlier today, I mentioned to him how my sister started seeing this new guy, and I was super proud of her, because she went through a lot with her last relationship."
"His immediate reply was, 'Dang,' one month too late' with a sad emoji, insinuating that he was one month too late to get with her, because we've been together for a month."
You can see the text message exchange here:
The OP was immediately turned off by the idea of dating him.
"After I got upset and he apologized, he immediately sent me a reel that said, 'When she's already upset about me, but I have a second joke in mind.'"
"I feel like he genuinely doesn't care about me."
"He has also gotten weirdly clingy within the month, like red-flag clingy."
"He keeps trying to say how he loves me, wants to marry me, and wants me to go live with him. But he also always brings up my exes and gets super jealous when HE mentions them."
"I don't know what to do. Should I block him??"
"He's mentioned before that I would need to block him on everything if we ever broke up because he'd never leave me alone (we are currently long-distance)."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some were grossed out by the boyfriend's text message and understood why the OP was upset.
"The fact that he wrote all that out and even added a little emoji at the end and still decided to send it, knowing it would be hurtful for you."
"Seems like he’s texted that to see if he could get away with it. Either way, you don’t say something like that to someone you care about…" - Oven_Traditional
"NOR. Ew! That’s so disrespectful coming from someone who should be thrilled to have you."
"I’m team 'dump him.' If he has a brother, maybe ask for his brother’s number as you end it just to see how he likes it." - Entire-Tonight-1463
"NOR. He's not joking about your sister. Based on what he's said about her in the past, it would have been a wise move to NOT date him at all. PERIOD."
'There's a possibility that he's clingy/close to you for the purpose of indirectly keeping an eye on your sister. Release him and let him go, thereby setting yourself free from foolishness." - AtlJazzy2024
"He’s not for you… Break up with him and block him. You deserve a guy who treasures YOU!" - Muted-Lynx-8745
"He might be your boyfriend, but you're not his girlfriend. In his mind, your sister is." - Save-your-spoons
Others urged the OP to block her boyfriend and move on.
"Girl, it's been a month. Let that loser go." - sleepymelfho
"He kept OP as a backup, while circling her sister's orbit. What has happened to transparency and honesty in relationships? All I read now is obnoxious men doing obnoxious things to their partners."
"OP, he's keeping you around to stay close to your sister. You deserve better... NOR." - ColdHandGee
"NOR. You know that he's not joking about wanting your sister. He told on himself before you even got together, talking about how hot she was. Believe him."
"Break up with him and cut him off immediately. I can't believe you ever agreed to date him in the first place. I'd never want to date someone who had the hots for someone else in my immediate circle, whether that was a sibling or a friend." - Lanky_Mud_8148
"You’ve been dating one month, and that’s one month too long."
"He’s not joking about your sister. He fancies her more than you, and you’re the consolation prize. He will pursue her given the chance."
"Time to dump him." - Special_Wind_6708
"NOR. He can't have your sister, so you're just the next best thing. Him being a clingy weirdo that 'will never leave you alone' is the cherry on top."
"You know what to do. Dump him and block him on everything. If anyone from the friend group asks, just tell them what you told us. And you REALLY should warn your sister; you have receipts." - sdoM-bmuD
"Ditch him. Honestly. What are you waiting for?" - forget_me_not_uwu
"NOR at all. Cut this loser out of all channels of your life."
"I wouldn’t block, though. Just ghost so that he can watch you become happier without him as the ultimate revenge because I’m petty like that, and he clearly deserves it."
"ALSO, if he's as creepy and clingy as he sounds, you can have him muted, so he can see your activity, but you won't have to see his... But you'd have all of his messages as receipts if he ever became threatening or stalkerish for police purposes."
"For more context: My mum started dating my dad (when she was 19, too), who initially tried to go for her older sister (two years older) and got rejected."
"After three years of dating, seven years of engagement, and 20 years of marriage where she put up with an incompetent man-child that wouldn’t do anything for himself and expected her to completely cater to him while he berated her and treated her like s**t..."
"...it ended in him cheating on her with a waitress for over a year and denying it until my mum had literal photographic evidence, to which he had the audacity to respond with the reasoning that she was the reason he was 'driven to cheat' (as if that was even remotely close to the truth and the only option to solve his ‘problems’)."
"Save yourself, girl. This man-child can learn to pine over you and your sister from afar as you both skip into the sunset together, moving on with your lives and into better relationships that fulfill you the way you deserve!" - peachycritter
Some cautioned the OP to also cover her tracks after the breakup, as he sounded worse than "clingy" to them.
"The actual scary part isn't even the sister joke; it's, 'he said he'd never leave me alone if we broke up,' only one month in."
"That line gave me chills, and that alone would have me Googling how to block someone on every platform that exists." - babydoodle91
"Ew. These super clingy guys right out the gate are scary. Please watch your step, and erase your tracks." - Immabirb
"He sounds like a stalker... Drop him now, fast. And block him everywhere." - Admirable_Program720
"NOR, yes, you block him, and you keep him out of your life, and you tell mutual friends that if they try to facilitate contact between you two, you will block them as well. He isn't joking." - JustAsICanBeSoCruel
"I watch way too much crime for this!"
"Girl, block him. Also tell your sister to block him, too; he’s obsessed with her." - MrsRoronoaZoro
"NOR. You're underreacting, honestly."
"He wants your sister, but you're close enough. He's obsessed with her and won't give it up even though he has someone he 'wants to marry.'"
"Also, he's not lying. He probably will stalk you online afterwards; please be careful." - Phoenix-Phire-38
"NOR at all. Your post kept adding on more red flags with each additional sentence. I know you’re young, but he’s toxic, and yes, you will need to block him."
"Breaking up with someone you have strong feelings for is really difficult, so when you leave, you should make sure to lean on friends and family and keep yourself distracted with things you like and find engaging." - query_tech_sec
"The s**t with your sister is nothing compared to the love-bombing and jealousy. This guy is trouble, and scary, and you will have done the right thing when you leave him and maintain the distance between the two of you. NOR." - potatomeeple
After receiving feedback, the OP posted an update, but it seemed to be only the beginning.
"Thank you for making me feel less crazy."
"I blocked him on everything and deactivated my Instagram."
"He DM'ed a girl that I had posted ONCE on my Instagram Stories, asking about me."
"I'm not sure if he's going to keep trying to talk to me, but I hope not."
The subReddit's internal alarm bells were ringing while reading the OP's post, and they hoped that she'd leave her boyfriend in every sense of the word. They already lived long-distance, but she needed to cut him off in every other sense.
Not only was it obvious that he wanted someone else and was with the OP to "make up for it," but his "promises" of not leaving her alone if she ever broke up with him were love-bombing and stalker-like, at best.