So many times, we, as grown-ups, put the period at the end of a power struggle with the age-old response, "... because I said so."
But is that really fair?
Are you entitled to have the last say because you are an authority figure or because you are older?
And is it truly to invalidate feelings and ignore elevated emotions?
According to one man on Reddit, his family certainly thinks so.
His family is angry with him for refusing to make his son apologize for ignoring his uncle and now-aunt after they upset him by having their wedding at an adults-only venue, so he turned to the "Am I The A**hole Here" (AITAH) subReddit to seek feedback from fellow Redditors.
Redditor LeoBastion asked:
"AITAH for not making my son forgive my brother after he was uninvited from his wedding?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"6 months ago my son Leo (14/m[ale]) decided to cutoff my brother Jack (46/m[ale])."
"Now my mum, brother, SIL and other family members want me to make my son forgive him to keep the peace."
"For a little bit of context, I'm (46/m[ale]) a single dad."
"My family has always helped me in many ways (mostly babysitting when Leo was younger), and even before my son was born, we were all very close."
"We all live relatively close to each other so we've been able to keep in touch with weekly gatherings, spending the holidays together, etc."
"Everyone loves my son and my son loved them back."
"However, my brother Jack was always my son's favorite person."
"Back when my son was 3-4 years old, Jack and his wife had more flexible jobs than me (think freelancing vs a 9 to 5) so they always volunteered to look after Leo, something he loved."
"Almost every month they would take him to the zoo, or the aquarium, or they'd even go camping with him."
"As my son grew older, he started to develop the same interests as ny brother like videogames, photography, and music."
"When Leo was 9, he told me he wanted to have the same career as his uncle."
"This is all to say, they were extremely close."
"Last year my brother informed me that he and his gf Mary were getting married."
"I knew that neither Jack nor his gf believed in marriage, so when I asked them about it, they told me it was all Karen's idea (my SIL's mum)."
"Because Jack and Mary didn't care much about the wedding, and since Karen was paying for it, they let her plan everything, from the venue to the food, music, etc."
"Karen decided to plan a destination wedding at a fancy resort."
"In July of last year we received the invitation and it was addressed to both me and my son."
"I even had a plus one if I wanted."
"And as soon as the website went up, I tried to make a reservation for our hotel room."
"I should clarify that I had to call the hotel to make my reservation because the link wasn't working and I really couldn't risk not getting a room."
"When I received the email confirmation, it said 'room for 2 adults' but I didn't think much of it and just assumed it was an error due to the language barrier with the hotel guy."
"I also bought the plane tickets for us around the same time."
"Fast forward to January, less than a month before the wedding, when my SIL called me crying saying that Karen had made a mistake with the venue."
"Apparently, the resort was for adults only so they didn't allow anyone younger than 16."
"My son was 13 at the time."
"I asked her if it would be possible for Leo and me to say in another hotel, but they told me the whole resort was child free so my son wouldn't even be allowed to attend the ceremony or the reception."
"I was disappointed and I told my SIL I'd talk to my son about it (I knew how excited he was about his uncle's wedding) but she insisted both her and Jack wanted to tell him in person."
"Honestly my son was devastated."
"He started crying as soon as he was told he wouldn't be able to go."
"He pleaded with them and even offered to give them all of his savings so they could move the wedding."
"After 30 minutes of this, my SIL got frustrated and just told him that he was being selfish and that this day wasn't about him."
"Leo eventually apologized and went to his room."
"After the wedding, my son just stopped talking to my brother."
"If Jack sent him a message, Leo would just ignore it unless it had something to do with me (for example, he would only reply if Jack asked him to tell me something because he couldn't reach me, etc)."
"On our family gatherings, Leo would only respond to small questions like can you pass the salt' or 'help grandma with the plates,' but he would ignore my brother if Jack or Mary tried to start a conversation or ask him about school, etc."
"A month after the wedding, Jack and Mary offered to take him for a special vacation during spring break to 'make up for the wedding,' but my son just ignored them, and he later told me he didn't want to go with them."
"It was heartbreaking because I knew how much he wanted to go to that place, and I wasn't able to afford it yet, but he stuck to his guns."
"Something similar happened on Leo's birthday."
"He asked me if I was planning to throw him a party (I do it every year) and when I said yes he asked me not to invite his aunt and uncle."
"I tried to convince him to invite them because they're family and they were really sorry but he just said that if they didn't want him on their special day, he didn't want them on his."
"My brother was crying when I told him he wasn't invited."
"However, things came to a head this past weekend."
"We were at my mum's house, and the conversation about Leo's university came up."
"My mum asked Leo if he was still planning on going to the same university as Jack and said that he should start planning for that, but my son replied that he wasn't interested anymore and that he had chosen to study something else."
"Then my mum said 'I thought you wanted to be like your uncle' and my son just said, 'why would I want to be like him?'"
"At this point, I intervened and told Leo he didn't have to be so rude, but the damage was already done."
"Both my brother and SIL heard what he said and they left shortly after."
"Last night, my brother texted me saying I was an a**hole for letting my son continue with this grudge, and he even accused me of being jealous of their relationship, and that's why I wasn't doing anything to fix it."
"I just told him these were the consequences of his actions and that this was 100% his fault by allowing his POS mother-in-law to plan the wedding when she obviously hated my child."
"He hung up on me."
"My mum and some other family members think I should force my son to forgive my brother so we can all move on claiming there was no ill intent and it was just a small mistake."
"But I don't think I should."
"My son was clearly hurt, and he should be allowed to heal and forgive them only when he's ready."
"So AITAH?"
Redditors weighed in and declared that OP was not the a**hole (NTA) in the situation, with many acknowledging that his son is entitled to both his feelings and his refusal to apologize.
"NTA- I have a hunch this is less about the wedding and more about the conversation where they called him selfish."
"To me, that conversation would've done enough damage to ruin the relationship."
"I'm guessing they never apologized to your son for saying the things they said or reacting the way they did."
"He trusted them, and instead of them helping him process this extremely upsetting thing- that was their mistake- they called him selfish and yelled at him and effectively ruined their relationship."
"They are the adults- if they want to fix the relationship, they need to stop trying to buy him and they need to start apologizing and making amends for the hurt and discord they caused."
"Your son wasn't rude when he said he didn't want to be like his uncle- he was answering a question honestly- no one shouldn't put him in a position to give an honest answer he would get in trouble for- that's incredibly crappy on the adults to do- especially when you called him rude- you are the ah for that."
"Get him some therapy- he's been betrayed by some of the most important people in his life."
"Your son is the only one nta in this situation."
"You should apologize to him as well for calling him rude when he wasn't." - throwaway20648
"You cannot force someone else to forgive another person."
"Your child was hurt. You can talk to him, but you can't force your son to forgive."
"The more people try to make your son, who is only 13, forgive him the angrier he is going to get." - Spiritual-TarHeel
"NTA. I think your SIL getting frustrated with him, and telling him he was being selfish was the proverbial nail in the coffin."
"He was already upset, and hitting the bargaining stage of grief for not being allowed at the wedding, and she basically kicked him when he was down."
"And, your brother stood by and let it happen."
"Leo will never forget that." - Aggravating_Style544
"NTA"
"Your brother and his wife never once checked in with what MIL was doing? I kinda find that hard to believe."
"Your son is a teen and teens have big feelings that they don't quite have the maturity to process."
"The more he is pushed, the more he will dig his feet in."
"If he forgives, it will be on his terms and no one else's" - SteampunkHarley
"You're allowing your son to make decisions over his relationships and his boundaries. Your brother and SIL could take a lesson from him, considering they let themselves be talked into a wedding where one of the people they claim to be incredibly important to them couldn't come."
"The only reason they are getting upset is because their guilt is getting too much to bear. They can grow up." - writing_mm_romance
"Soooo your son's hurt feelings were nothing to worry about and nothing to change plans about, even plans that the plan holders didn't want, but your brother's hurt feelings about a birthday party are enough to get everyone in the family involved?"
"NTA and it sounds like everyone is treating Leo as a "kid" and not as a whole person with thoughts or feelings" - darthcatlady
According to his fellow Redditors, OP has every right to allow his son to heal on his own time and not force forgiveness.
Perhaps this incident can teach the rest of the family a lesson about considering the impact words and actions have on others.















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.