Any of us who have been fortunate enough to have one of those lifelong, ride-or-die type of best friends knows how priceless that friendship is.
But sometimes when best friends start having kids, they get a little weird about it, like imagining their kids getting married someday, side-eyed the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor CherryColaCoca1 was aware of how close her parents were with her friend, Jake's, parents, while they were growing up, and even when they grew apart.
But when her parents tried to break up her happy engagement with her fiancé, so they could all be one big, happy family, the Original Poster (OP) was nothing short of appalled.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for refusing to go to my best guy friend's wedding and telling my parents I am going to cut them off?"
The OP's parents were close friends with her friend, Jake's, parents.
"I grew up with my family and another family whose parents were best friends with mine since their high school years."
"My parents had me (28 Female) and my two older brothers (31 Male and 35 Male), while their friends had four boys (27, 29, 30, and 37 Male)."
"Growing up was pretty nice, but the boys used to pick on me a lot and exclude me during their 'girls are yucky' phase. I wouldn't say I see these boys as brothers, but maybe as cousins."
"I was close to Adam (27 Male) and Jake (29 Male) when we were little. Until we were 15, we were really close and did a lot together."
"I don't talk to Jake much anymore. No hard feelings, but he grew up to be a classic tech bro and can be pretty condescending."
The families were obsessed with the idea of the OP and Jake ending up together.
"Despite growing apart, our families are obsessed with the idea of us ending up together."
"The other guys are already married, and Adam is gay. They've always pushed for us to be together (making us go to the store alone at Christmas, telling us both an earlier time to meet at the restaurant for Dad's birthday, talking him up a lot, etc.)."
"Then both Jake and I met our significant others. I have been with my fiancé for five years, and Jake met his fiancée three years ago."
"Our families have been very disappointed and have not welcomed our partners warmly at all."
"One Christmas, I took Jake's fiancée, Tracy, aside and explained the weird family lore to her. With Jake (just like we did with my fiancé), we assured her that it was just a weird thing of our family, and that Jake and I have not been close for ages and have never had more than a friendly relationship."
"Ironically, having to stand against our parents made us all a little closer."
The families even tried to break Jake and Tracy up before their wedding.
"But then we come to the real problem. Jake and Tracy are going to get married soon, and it has been chaos."
"Our parents have upped their antics by 2000 percent. Family dinners have been full of 'Aww, we thought you two would get married,' and other comments."
"They brought out a picture I apparently drew of me and Jake when we were little of us getting married (I suspect they made it. It did not look like it was made by an actual child)."
"They were cornering Tracy about making me the Matron of Honor and letting me wear white (what??)."
"Also, his brothers and my brothers joined in, making jokes about us being star-crossed lovers and calling me 'The Missus.'"
"I distanced myself heavily from my family during that time and stopped going home after talking to them did nothing."
Then the OP's brothers did something unforgivable.
"One day, one of my brothers invited me out. He said it was just my two brothers and me."
"So, I went to his apartment, and when I arrived, it was Jake's bachelor party."
"One of his brothers screamed out, 'The stripper's here' (f**king ew)."
"I wanted to leave, but the next train left close to 12 a.m., and it was not the safest neighborhood. Tracy and my fiancé were both working night shifts, and UBER in our area is super expensive."
"So, I stayed. They tried to get me drunk, they were constantly physically pushing me and Jake together, and they even locked us in my brother's bedroom. I could hear loud laughing from the other side."
"Jake and I did not talk much. He apologized to me and asked me if I could not come to the wedding as I made Tracy uncomfortable. I completely understood and said at that point I was not planning to go anymore."
"He offered to drive me home as he was also completely sober. When they opened the door, he said we were going home. In their heads, that meant we were going to be intimate or something because all the caveman sounds started."
That was enough to spur the rest of the family on.
"The next day, my phone was blowing up. Someone uploaded a video of me and Jake leaving and captioned it, 'Finally!'"
"It was very awkward. In the video, I am clearly uncomfortable, and so is Jake as we exit the apartment and enter his car. There were comments, calls, and texts."
"Tracy called me, crying and cursing me out. Jake called me, apologizing and telling me he tried to explain."
"My mother and his mother sent me a bunch of texts saying how proud they were and that it was about time."
"My fiancé has been understanding, but he wants me to make clearer boundaries with my family."
The OP lashed out at her family for their behavior.
"I rode past their house on my bike, and they were all there. They didn't even let me talk and were just love-bombing me."
"I started screaming and told them Jake and I have never and will never be together, and I will not be leaving my loving fiancé."
"I said that I would not be going to Jake's wedding, and if they kept up with this, I would cut every single one of them off because I am tired and just want to live my life and not their incest fairy tale."
"By the end of my meltdown, my mother and his mother were crying, and my father just told me to get out."
"Since then, I have been getting messages from my brothers calling me a b***h for treating my family like that because they only wanted the best for me."
"So, AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that her responses were totally justified.
"NTA. Both families are insane, and your brothers are gross for even participating in this disaster."
"You and Jake have made it clear that you are not interested in each other romantically, and you are currently both engaged to other people. However, both sets of parents and siblings' incessant behavior are adding fuel to the fire and causing a divide, but are blaming you for their disregard and ignorance."
"I'm baffled and stunned that these adults think that what they are doing is okay. They are being selfish and manipulative and need to look in the mirror and examine their immature and abhorrent behavior instead of insulting and putting blame on you." - Bella_Rose36
"NTA. I grew up in a similar situation with a close friend of mine, and it didn't really stop until she came out a couple of years back. Her mother still refers to me as her 'son' and talks about what could have been, even though I'm now engaged and her daughter is, again, gay."
"It drives me crazy that parents try to force s**t like this on their kids." - Mean_Nefariousness25
"It sounds like a fantasy the two families built up over your lifetime that just got stronger over the years. I think it's time for a time-out. I'd write up an email or letter or text and mass send it to your brothers, (who are disgusting, by the way, for their behavior at the bachelor party) and parents."
"Don't bother with the other family. They aren't yours to deal with."
"Let them know in detail how they've hurt and upset you over this issue, and tell them you're on a time out from contact with any of them. Tell them that if they offer sincere apologies, you'll consider allowing them back in your life, but until that time you're going to concentrate on building your life with your partner."
"Then block everyone. I think your mental health will improve immensely with that stress removed." - ZookeepergameOld8988
"To put it not so nicely as 'Zookeeper': Your family has gone off the fricking deep end."
"Look: your brothers basically tried to human traffic you just to ruin a wedding. That's nuts."
"When it didn't work, they still took videos and actually ruined that wedding anyway."
"This stuff is up there with 'diabolical.' This is not right."
"Everyone involved and everyone supporting these maniacs needs to be cut off."
"And, personally, I can't even imagine the apology any of them could make for me to let them back into my life." - boogers19
"OP, this won't change. They got the idea in their heads, and it became their joint obsession. They are certain that this is right. Unless you send a bomb that affects their lives, like exposing this madness to the world, they won't stop."
"They will make life h**l for you and Jake, even if they have to destroy your relationships to do so. In fact, they are already doing this. You need to find ways to protect your image and those who care about them. This goes for you AND Jake." - Responsible-Front900
Others agreed and encouraged the OP and Jake to go no contact with their families.
"Go low contact, and do not go to the wedding. All this will die down once one of you is married to your significant other. If it doesn't die down, then it's time to go from low contact to no contact." - Cookie_Monstahh4
"I think you know how to deal with it. You need to go no contact. Yes, it's going to be tough, because they're going to bombard you, but it will be worth it."
"What joy or benefit do they bring to your life? Or are you simply seeing them as 'they're family'? You know they're never going to accept your significant other, and I hate to think how any kids you may have will be treated."
"By removing yourself from the s**t show, then you get to put yourself first and not have to put up with their 'fantasy family.'"
"If extended family starts pressuring you, I'd explain the situation and basically say that your own brothers wanted you to play stripper for another man, and not even your significant other, and locked you in a room with the man in question."
"They literally treated you like a sexual object, that is not okay, and they clearly have no respect for women." - bookgeek1987
"I'd add something like the timeout will be at least one year. Make them go through every holiday without OP. Without even a message from OP. They have to understand that this is serious. If they refuse to apologize, then they also need counseling before she speaks to them. They would still need to apologize. Each and every one of them."
"I'd call out the parents for establishing this expectation that has turned into a demand. I'd call out the brothers for participating and for tricking her into going to the bachelor party, for locking her in a room with Jake (I believe that's kidnapping), and for trying to ruin her relationship with her fiance."
"If it would help, blast them all on social media so that everyone knows what they've been doing." - BlazingSunflowerland
"I'm sorry to say that it very likely won't die down post-wedding. They have no respect for their children, their partners, or their relationship."
"To their families, OP and Jake are tools to be used to get the result they want - joining the families. Doesn't matter if they have kids of their own, there is always divorce. They went so far as to try and make it appear like they were cheating on their spouses to break their relationships up."
"OP's entire family, brothers included, need to be cut out completely. Full no contact for a couple of years and then low contact to see if they've changed at all. I highly doubt they will, though, considering the lengths they have gone to."
"They aren't going to learn though as long as they 'get away with it', and by that I mean OP and Jake keep relationships with these people." - JustasICanBeSoCruel
After receiving feedback, the OP shared an update in another post.
"My fiancé are going to elope in two months and celebrate with one friend each. We didn't tell my parents and we're planning on celebrating next year with my partner's family, and my family if things seriously change."
"We spoke and concluded that cutting out my family for now would be the best option."
"I sent a message to my parents and brothers explaining my decision to distance myself for the time being. I emphasized that while I love them, I cannot continue to endure their pressure and manipulation. I told them their behavior had made me resent them and, to some extent, Jake."
"They ruined any friendly relationship we could have had and made me feel gross and exploited... I also told them that their controlling behavior was the reason I never told them about anything in my life."
"I told them it hurts to be with them, and I am in a bad mood for days after meeting them. I never look forward to holidays with them and have caught myself wishing I would get into an accident or get sick before the holidays to have an excuse not to go. They cut themselves out of my life, and they will not be there when I get married, have kids, or in any other life achievements."
Jake and the OP were beginning to separate from their families.
"After sending the message, I left the group, blocked them all, and felt really light. I cried with my fiancé for hours, and I didn't really know if it was tears of sadness, relief, or happiness. I was so conflicted. I just kind of fell asleep."
"Jake has also cut his part of the family off. According to Tracy, he just went to their home, dumped a sack of their stuff on the table, told them to stay the f**k away from him, and left."
"His mother tried reaching out to me, and my father tried reaching out to Jake. Our fiancés had been targeted by them too."
The OP's family unsuccessfully tried to get the police involved.
"My parents sent the police to my house, claiming my fiancé had me there against my will."
"We talked to the police. They couldn't do much but assured me that they would leave a note in their database clarifying that I was not being abused."
"I also asked how to go about a no-contact order, and they pointed me to resources."
"They also said they would tell my parents to leave me alone and noted that should they make false reports, they would have to cover the cost of the drive out to me."
The OP and Jake continued to distance themselves from their families further.
"As of Friday, we have different numbers!"
"Tracy is coming over this afternoon, and I am taking her to my nail salon, and afterward, we are going to a game store because she really wants to play some escape games."
"Jake and I are still not close, and he is also not close to my fiancé. But he is happy that we have carved out a healthy space and that Tracy is so comfortable with me now in such a short span of time. They are reevaluating their wedding plans, but I won't disclose more here."
"That was it. It was only a week, and I don't see this going much further. My parents are probably going to keep contacting me, but it's going to be all right. We are all all right."
Though the subReddit could empathize with the OP and understood how hard it could be to separate from family, they believed that was exactly what Jake and the OP needed to do. According to the update, they seemed to be taking initial steps and feeling relieved already.
It might be fun to imagine friends becoming family because two people's kids fell in love, but that's hardly something that should be expected or planned out. It seemed like the rest of the family would be happy daydreaming together while the OP and Jake went off to start their own families.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
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