Expectations for marriages are so important to discuss before the big day.
It doesn't have to be first-date material, but you should get to it sooner than later.
Especially when it comes to careers, finances, and family planning.
Those topics can often be dealbreakers.
Case in point...
Redditor throwawaygirlie2003 wanted to discuss her experience and get some feedback. So naturally, she came to visit the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit.
She asked:
"AITA for telling my (20 F[eamle]) fiancé (24 M[ale]) that he needs to stop ridiculing my degree?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Hi everybody (((:""I (20 F) and my fiancé (24 M) will get married next year in the summer, and I'm very much looking forward to this."
"We have our issues, but then again, which couple doesn't, right?"
"However, lately, he has been ridiculing my studies and the degree I'm getting."
"I'm studying in the Netherlands, and he lives in Denmark, so we will close the distance next year after the wedding."
"I'm currently in the last year of my bachelor's degree in biomedical sciences."
"I would argue (but of course, I'm biased) that this is a very intensive study and requires a lot of time and effort."
"Sometimes, when I complain about this, he says that my degree doesn't matter and that I would be better off quitting anyway."
"The reason why he says this is because we would like to have a marriage with more traditional gender roles once we are married."
"So he will earn the money and I will become a S[tay] A[t] H[ome] M[om]."
"I don't have a problem with this, but I would like to have a degree to fall back on during tough times."
"Whenever I try to make this argument, he shuts it down immediately and claims that I would be better off just quitting my studies and becoming a housewife already."
"Since once we are married I will never use my degree anyway."
"I would not mind working e.g. two times a week, but he is strongly opposed to this as he claims that it would interfere with my tasks and chores in our marriage."
"He is currently still in carpentry school, which consists of him having several months of work followed by weeks of school, both of which he gets paid for."
"Not only does he dismiss the difficulty of my degree, but he also claims that the work he is doing is much harder."
"I can't disagree with him, because, physically speaking it is definitely much more intensive, but I would like for him to acknowledge that my degree is also time-consuming and difficult."
"Recently he made a joke about what a waste of time it was, me getting my degree when I should be in Denmark and making him dinner instead since that would be more fulfilling for both him and me."
"I know I should not let these harmless jokes get under my skin, but I lashed out at him and told him he needed to stop ridiculing my academic achievements and dismissing all of it so easily."
"Since it might come in handy at some point in the future."
"He then quite seriously told me (again) that I shouldn't take everything so personally and that he was speaking the truth since I will not use my degree once we are married so it is a waste of time and money."
"Then somehow he spun it around and told me that I was not appreciative enough of him wanting to provide for me and our future family."
"And that if I wanted to be a 'girlboss', I would be free to do so on my own."
"So now I'm wondering if I did make a mistake by telling him to stop ridiculing my degree and if I somehow hurt him by appearing ungrateful."
The OP was left to wonder,
"So, AITA?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed some options to the question AITA:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared OP WAS the A**hole, but not for the reason they asked.
"No, you are making a mistake for planning to marry somebody that doesn't respect you."
"Who won't 'let' you use your 'worthless' degree, even for a part-time job?"
"Who will mentally wear you down to nothing."
"YTA to yourself."
"He has told you what life being married to him will be like. Believe him." ~ YouthNAsia63
"Traditional gender roles are one thing, but that only works if you equally respect each other's roles in the marriage and support any deviations that may come up and agree on contingencies in case of future issues."
"Carpentry is very labor intensive."
"What happens if he gets injured and can't work?"
"What if the injury is from a car accident, so he doesn't get workman's comp?"
"What is his plan then?"
"A good future spouse should want you to be in a position to support yourself if something bad were to happen."
"The best way for you to do that is to get your education."
"Plus, if you work a couple days a week, you could use that money to have more wiggle room financially."
"It could go into an emergency fund, it could be your fun money, it could be vacation money, retirement, heck, future kid's college funds."
"Whatever OP does, she needs to make sure she has her own savings without his name on them." ~ Malphas43
"He is already chipping away at her self-confidence."
"When that is complete, she won't feel good enough about herself to do anything outside the home."
"I would fear how he would treat female children."
"Are they going to be told that educating them is a waste?"
"Also, their kids will model their own relationships after their parent's relationship."
"So those kids will learn that talking down to mom and devaluing her and her accomplishments of how you treat women."
"She will be essentially teaching her kids to either degrade their partners if they are male or that they deserve to be degraded by males and they are of less value if they are female."
"I'm all for traditional roles if that is what someone wants, but I do think they need to examine whether it is traditional in duties or traditional in devaluing one person." ~ holisarcasm
"You are doing yourself a great deal of disservice."
"He is going to belittle and disrespect you."
"This is definitely not a joke."
"It's exactly what he thinks about you."
"And are you sure you want to marry at 21 and let this hard work you put in getting a degree be worthless?"
"You need to really think if this is how you envision your life to be."
"He may be doing a lot of physical work, but mentally you are also putting in a lot of effort which is exhausting and tiresome."
"I would say RUN!!"
"But it's you who needs to think with a clear head, putting aside your feelings." ~ toothlessam_92
"I rarely go 'run away' out loud, but like... Girl."
"Run and then run some more; do not let him dictate anything; do not become dependent on him."
"Are you planning on living in Denmark?"
"Him keeping you both housed, clothed, fed etc. on a carpenter's pay, in something that's not in the middle of nowhere is completely unrealistic."
"Do NOT let him trap you. You're worth more than withering away on a field in Jutland, with atrocious public transportation and whatnot."
"Demand more!" ~ FimbrethilHoney
"There are alarm bells ringing all over what you wrote."
"He sounds overly controlling and dismissive of your efforts/achievements/goals."
"NTA... please think more about this before throwing away your future career." ~ Spare-Article-396
"This is so over the top that I'm having trouble believing this is real."
"He's so belittling."
"Does carpentry really pay better than biotech in the Netherlands?"
"If so, I'd move to the States because it sounds like the Netherlands is set to go into terminal decline."
"Unless he's somehow a (non-physical) business genius and will end up running a large carpentry business."
"My wife is a SAHM."
"She had always worked, but when we moved she was pregnant, all our stuff burned up in a fire, and settling that out, combined with trying to find a job while pregnant -- she just never worked again."
"Of course, by then, she was bringing in $60K/year in investment dividends."
"She is an investor, so this has grown to $160K/year now."
"But, I'm not belittling her degree (business) nor her abilities (witness the dividend income)."
"Your husband doesn't seem to value intellectual education so, your kids might not get any encouragement there either."
"There's nothing wrong with trades, in fact, they are way under-served right now, but he seems to undervalue fields that involve more mental labor."
"My guess is he's very insecure, probably that you are in fact smarter than him and/or could out-earn him, thereby threatening his manhood."
"Then he threatens you with you maybe 'Would be free to do so on my own.'"
"Maybe take him up on that! NTA." ~ blarryg
"Also, I'm pretty sure that your degree will earn you more money than what he would be making when he is fully certified."
"Which is one of the reasons why he doesn't want you to finish your studies."
"NTA, definitely get your degree and definitely find yourself a man who will celebrate your achievements instead of berating and making you feel bad for your goals just because they don't align with his." ~ OutcomeSecure9501
"Was just reading some stats (UK based not sure about the rest of the world) about the number of young people who are in controlling/coercive relationships without being aware of it - the numbers are shocking."
"And there are just so many red flags in this post!"
NTA." ~ Advanced_Race4071
"This 100%. You are planning on marrying someone who doesn't respect you."
"YTA... you don't respect yourself enough."
"People treat you how you allow them to treat you." ~ Dturmnd1
Well, OP, Reddit has a lot to say about this situation.
It seems like a ton of people don't want you to be the a**hole to yourself.
It also sounds like a little couple's counseling could be in order.
You have a lot to consider moving forward.
Good luck.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.