Doing a favor for friends can be taxing but rewarding. But sometimes the ask is more than we're willing to do.
When ReluctantCosigner on Reddit refused a request from his friend, the original poster (OP) started feeling guilty. It's possible he could help, but it might be too much to be asked of him.
To figure out if he would be wrong to refuse, he decided to ask the "Am I the A**hole" (AITA) subreddit the question "Would I Be the A**hole" (WIBTA).
And he doesn't want to do this favor.
"WIBTA for refusing to co-sign my friend's mortgage?"
A mortgage sounds like a big ask.
"My (29m) good friend (26f) is currently house hunting."
"For a bit of background information, I come from a fairly well-off family, while my friend does not. My job also pays a decent amount more than hers does (and while said job allows me to live comfortably, I am by no means wealthy, especially considering the high cost of living in my city)."
"My friend has been trying to purchase a house for the past year and a half, and even though her credit score is excellent, she doesn't make enough money from her job to qualify for a mortgage without a co-signer."
"It's not an issue of her being too picky in terms of what houses she will consider either, since she is looking exclusively at entry-level homes in more rural areas outside of the city, where prices tend to be amongst the lowest in our wider geographical region.
"She has repeatedly suggested to me that I should co-sign on a mortgage for her. I am pretty much her only option for this, since neither her parents nor any of her other friends are in a financial position to be able to help."
"The thing is though, I really don't want to co-sign for her. Here's why:"
- "I'm working towards purchasing a place of my own in one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world. From what I understand, co-signing for her would be seen as the equivalent of me already having a pre-existing mortgage in the eyes of the bank."
"This co-sign could make it more difficult for me to secure loans that I may need for the next 25-30 years."
- "My friend has given me a guarantee that she will not default on the mortgage, but honestly, I don't see how she can make a promise like that."
"She already has health issues and works a physically demanding job. If she became incapacitated and unable to work, then her mortgage would become entirely my responsibility."
"I also feel really uncomfortable about co-signing on a mortgage for a house that I don't even intend to live in and won't be on the deed for. To me, this makes no financial sense."
- "She didn't even really ask me. She just said that this is what she needed, and expected me to go along with it."
"I've tried expressing to her how uncomfortable I am with the idea, but her response was that I'm her only hope of not being homeless, and that if I don't want to see her out on the streets, then I need to co-sign."
"I don't understand why she can't just continue to rent, but she is adamant that this is not an option for her."
"Most of our mutual friends who know about this situation are on her side, and think that not co-signing for her would be cruel. Some of them have even tried to be her co-signer, but were rejected by the bank for various different reasons (i.e., not making enough money, bad credit scores, etc.)."
"This has sort of made me question whether I'm being unreasonable and selfish."
"So, good people of r/AmItheAsshole, I need to know: would I be the asshole if I refused to co-sign my friend's mortgage?"
OP has listed some compelling reasons why he doesn't want to cosign for his friend. But is he just being selfish by not helping?
Redditors judged whether OP would be wrong to refuse by including one of the following in their response:
- NTA – Not the A**hole
- YTA – You're the A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everybody Sucks Here
Cosigning for a mortgage is a big deal. It's a big purchase, and if something goes wrong, there's a lot of money on the line for both signers.
While it would be nice if OP would sign, he's not required, nor should he be expected to sign.
"This is absolutely the loudest NTA I've ever declared"
"DO NOT CO-SIGN. DO NOT BEND"
"If you have to lose a friend, or friends over this, that's the price to pay. Just because you may have more money does not mean you are obligated to help people make major life purchases."
"Your friends are massively entitled" - UncleStumpy78
"NTA! DO NOT CO-SIGN THIS MORTGAGE! She won't be homeless as she can always rent or share. You are being manipulated and your so called friends are complicit in this."
"Stand strong, tell this person in no uncertain terms that you WILL NOT sign and say that is the end of the matter. Steel yourself for tantrums, arguments, pleading and having your name dragged through the mud."
"I beg you, DON'T SIGN! This has disaster written all over it."
"Best of luck, stay strong and you are definitely NTA!" - DE4NO
"This is a clear NTA."
"If she has enough to pay a mortgage she has enough to pay rent and won't be homeless."
"Conversely, if she can't play rent then she can't pay a mortgage, and will ruin your finances."
"If your friends give you shit, tell them that! 'If she'll be homeless unless I help her, then it's not co-signing, it's giving her a house!'"
ETA: 'I don't know how much money you think I have, but it's not enough to do this.'" - bethsophia
"NTA - I didn't even need to read it, but once I did you're really NTA. If she can't qualify on her income, how is she supposed to afford the payments?"
"You would be on the hook for this, if she stopped paying you would need to pay or eventually have a foreclosure show up on your credit." - Particular-Earth-453
The other commenters thought of another angle. Thinking about banks at their worst as places that will try to make money, they have a reason they won't approve the friend.
If they think she won't pay, they won't lend.
"NTA. Co-signers often wind up paying off the loan they co-sign. Unless you want to buy your 'friend' a home - don't." - zwergschnauzer
"Banks are very good at making money. If a bank refuses a loan to someone it's because someone a lot more financially intelligent than you looked at their finances and thought 'there is no money to be made here'." - DimiBlue
"NTA. 'The bank says I'm not qualified to borrow money. Oh btw, sign here, so I can borrow the money anyway.'" - omgreadtheroom
"If the bank thinks she can't pay back the loan, what justification can she give him that they're wrong? They've got a lot more experience determining this than he does."
"Anyway NTA, never cosign a loan for something you won't own." – vezozuma
OP can rest assured that the internet doesn't think he would be wrong to refuse, but he should consider what will happen with his friend.
But if they're willing to end a friendship over this, maybe OP is better off without this friend.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.