Content Warning: Child loss, miscarriage, stillborn, grief, and domestic violence
Everyone has their own ways of grieving, especially when they lose someone particularly close to them.
But when it comes to parents grieving a child, their grieving processes can be wildly different from one another, from sinking into those feelings to redirecting them entirely into a projet or another person, pointed out the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor Positive-You-385 was still grieving the loss of her stillborn child when her sister-in-law came knocking on her door, pregnant and in need of help. She and her husband, of course, happily invited her to stay with them for a while.
But when her husband started prioritizing her sister and future baby ahead of her, the Original Poster (OP) wasn't sure this living situation was going to work out.
She asked the sub:
"AITA for yelling at my pregnant sister-in-law (SIL) and telling my husband to choose me or her?"
The OP recently had a miscarriage and was grieving.
"I (29 Female) have been married to my husband for eight years."
"About two months ago, I had my third miscarriage (at 31 weeks). I won't be talking about it because it makes me feel so depressed, but you'll need to remember this."
When her sister-in-law (SIL) needed help, the OP and her husband welcomed her in.
"About four months ago, my sister-in-law (20 Female) came crying at our doorstep, telling us she was pregnant and her boyfriend didn't want anything to do with the pregnancy and had nowhere to go."
"My husband and I openly took her in and welcomed her into our home with open arms."
"For the first few weeks, it was really hard for her (understandably). I sat with her for hours, holding her when she cried, binging our favorite TV shows, and eating so much ice cream we quite literally fell into a coma."
"It was really bonding for us (so I thought)."
But then the OP's SIL crossed a major boundary.
"Here's where things start going downhill, I take pride in my neat, clean home. My sister-in-law on the other hand did not. She would leave her clothes all around the house, leave her dirty dishes wherever, and even went as far as to leave her adult toys on our living room table."
"I tried to talk to her directly before I talked to my husband, and she immediately started crying and told me she would try to be cleaner."
"I hugged her, and told her it was okay, but this was a clear boundary for me. She told me it wouldn't happen again."
"But it only got worse. She told me I was expected to do her laundry, dishes, and clean her room daily because she's the pregnant one."
"Well, I do understand how hard it is being pregnant; I just couldn't allow feeling like a maid in my own home (disclaimer: I bought this house, not my husband. it was all me), not to mention my recent loss of my child."
The OP was shocked when her husband didn't have her back.
"So, I told my husband, but what he told me shocked me. His exact words were, 'Hunny, she's going through a lot right now; we really should be helping her out. Plus, it might make you feel better to take care of someone who was pregnant.'"
"I was p**sed to say the least. 'Make me feel better'?? 'She's going through a lot'?? 'We need to help her'?? So letting her stay with us wasn't enough?"
"While I don't want to invalidate her pain, my husband and I were also going through our own problems."
"So we moved on, and I did my best to maintain work and the household chores. My husband works 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM, so he isn't around to help much, and I work full-time from home, so it's been super stressful. When I even try to ask for help from my sister-in-law, she always makes an excuse, even if she's just watching TV."
"The one thing that pushed me over the edge was I went out to buy the one food that I have actually enjoyed eating after my miscarriage. I wrote my name on it and directly asked my sister-in-law to not eat it."
"Well, I went to go to my fridge to get it, and you'll never guess. She freaking ate it."
"Now you may think, 'It's just food,' but I buy all the groceries and basically pay all the bills. I don't mind people having some of my food, but the one thing I ask not to be touched... gets touched."
"I told my husband, and of course, he rubbed it into my face that she's pregnant. I need to be less selfish, and life is about sacrifices."
"I was so upset I told him I felt like he and my sister-in-law were the horrible roommates people talk about on Reddit. He didn't take that well, lol (laughing out loud)."
But then the OP's sister-in-law made an unimaginable demand.
"This all leads us to the title of my post. My sister-in-law planned a random baby shower party thing at my house."
"I personally didn't know if I could even be home when this was happening. I felt so hurt that she wouldn't talk to me knowing everything that had happened and that she would just invite random strangers into another person's home before asking."
"My husband urged me to go and said it would permanently affect mine and her relationship. So, I told him I'd go."
"About halfway through the party my husband and SIL announced that they wanted to show the nursery to everyone."
"I was confused, what nursery? Was she staying that long? What room did she turn into a nursery?"
"They told everyone to head upstairs, and that's when it hit me. They were talking about MY nursery, for MY baby I had JUST lost."
"A wave of emotions hit me when I saw everyone in my baby's nursery telling her what a good job they did setting it up. MY setup. For MY baby, that my body failed to give me."
The OP had had enough.
"I just lost it. I started sobbing, and then that sadness turned into pure rage. I started yelling at my sister-in-law, telling her she was the foulest human for putting me through everything she had for the last few months, making me feel like I was a maid or an object for her convenience."
"Through choked-up tears, I turned to my husband, whose jaw was on the floor. I turned my head to see his entire family just staring at me. I lost it again."
"Yelling, I looked at my sister-in-law telling her, How dare she use my nursery for my baby, how dare she think she has the right?"
"What she told me made me fall to my knees sobbing, 'It's not my fault you couldn't produce a child. Why let this go to waste? You're so selfish.'"
"My husband tried to pick me up off the floor, but I yelled again, standing to my knees, which were now shaking. I told him, 'Pick.'"
"A dumbfounded look appeared on his face, so I yelled again, 'Pick, me or her.'"
"He couldn't even muster up anything to say. I just looked at him, feeling pure betrayal."
"I pushed past the crowd of family and ran straight up here to type this out. Even if no one sees this, at least it's helped me let these emotions out."
"Now's the point where I ask, am I the a**hole?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some pointed out that it was very clear the OP's husband had chosen his sister over her.
"OP, I'm sorry to say, but your husband has already chosen your SIL, again and again."
"I know some say Reddit is too quick to say divorce, but in this case, you need to kick them both out as soon as possible and focus on healing. That family is toxic as f**k, and if you stay with your husband, you will be dragged down and taken advantage of over and over again until you are a shell of yourself."
"I've seen it happen to some incredibly kind, amazing women. They let a few rude comments go and then forgive some 'mistakes' because they feel like they have made a commitment and need to be the bigger person. Then they get beaten down mentally and emotionally, if not physically, to the point where that's their norm, and it's all they know."
"You have no kids yet with this man. He has shown where his loyalties and priorities lie, and it's not with you. Get out now while you can."
"NTA. Good luck, OP." - yesnomaybesoju
"NTA. I think that's quite possibly the meanest, most hurtful, disrespectful thing I've seen on here yet. The betrayal of those words your SIL said to you while standing in your nursery is awful, vile, and disgusting. And he AGREES with her!"
"I'm so sorry OP. for all that you've been through. Kick her a** out ASAP and let your husband know if he ever treats you like that again, he's out the door right behind her (that's of course if you don't kick him out ASAP too, which you'd be right to do)." - AssignmentFit461
"In my opinion, she should have blown up at the husband for enabling his sister and disregarding her feelings."
"Her SIL is a major a**hole, especially after that comment, but the husband is the biggest AH. He was callous in his reaction to everything. He has shown his true character."
"Let's give him the benefit of the doubt of him being ignorant, following OP's reaction to the nursery being used for SIL, a normal reaction would be to protect OP by kicking them out immediately (SIL could be at another family member's house for the night/ few days) and talk to and comfort OP."
"He didn't and hasn't been prioritizing you. This tells you a lot about where you are placed in his list of priorities. All the best, OP! Stay strong." - psyky_
"Her husband was on board with giving away the nursery without any discussion. He also insisted she attend the baby shower, knowing what was coming. He's irredeemable, in my opinion."
"Maybe he was trying to avoid a scene? I'm glad they got one." - beautybender
Others agreed and strongly advised the OP to break up with her husband.
"OP, you are already alone in this relationship. The house is yours. You don't need him."
"Consider that you are still in love w/attached to The Idea of his best self that only you see."
"If he has been amazing and perfect, why isn't he choosing to be that FOR YOU NOW?"
"You deserve better."
"The stress of this relationship could be one of the hindrances to your ability to carry the child you long for. From just what you've written here today, he's clueless. He doesn't stand up for you because it's an inconvenience to him."
"He's willing to supplant your dreams and hard work for his sister's demands."
"That's not a good husband. That's not a healthy husband. In every way possible, this is not a husband showing he loves you and is always on your side."
"So you have to be. Be the person you deserve to be."
"I know everything inside you feels shattered and terrified and ending this marriage now seems like it will devastate you. And it will hurt. It will be awful. But on the other side is happiness you haven't known before."
"We're rooting for you!" - No_Appointment_7232
"NTA. I'm so sorry for what you've been through."
"It's maybe time to reconsider your marriage. Your husband disrespected you and didn't take into consideration your feelings in YOUR home."
"Tell your SIL to take her belongings and get out of the house immediately. It's unacceptable behavior. You deserve respect. And you're not a maid. You're a person. With feelings. With traumas."
"You need to heal. And for that, you need her out and maybe your husband for a moment, the time to think about what you want for your future."
"You must be broken, and it's so understandable, please seek help and therapy."
"I wish you the best for the future." - jade1312x
"At least the house belongs to OP. She needs to consult a lawyer ASAP to make sure that her assets are protected from them. I would serve eviction notices on both SIL and husband."
"OP needs to have a lock installed ASAP on the nursery door if she cannot move everything out of it to a safe place."
"I would give everything away to a stranger before letting SIL have anything." - Avebury1
"You delivered a stillborn child. You did not have a miscarriage, OP."
"You are NTA, and something weird is going on with your husband, his sister, and all the others. I am appalled that not a single person who was invited to that vile baby shower didn't reach out to you to ask if you were okay with it being held at your home."
"I am appalled that no one checked on you during the shower and asked how you were doing. And mostly, I'm appalled that no one didn't rip your AH husband and SIL a new one when you broke down in YOUR baby's nursery."
"Please update us on how you're doing. Please be ready to go back into your baby's nursery and see things missing. For whatever reason, these people are intentionally hurting you. The next thing for them to do is steal your baby's things."
"My heart is breaking for you." - destiny_kane48
After receiving feedback, the OP shared a lengthy update.
"After posting my story on Reddit, I sat on my bed, wiping my tears and telling myself I would not take this disrespect. I walked downstairs, shutting my nursery door on the way."
"When I got downstairs, I was greeted with everyone comforting my sister-in-law. I kindly asked everyone besides my sister-in-law and husband to respectfully get the f**k out of my house."
"After all the dirty looks and shaming, it was just my husband, sister-in-law, and myself. They sat their selves on the couch, not saying anything. I sat with them. The silence felt like forever; none of us had anything to say, and I knew I'd have to start the conversation."
"I looked at my husband and said, 'Did you decide?'"
"He looked at me, just staring. I asked again in a firm tone this time."
"He ended up mumbling some sort of insult, and I couldn't really make out what he said. Something with 'b***hy.'"
"I stood up and told them both to get out, but then they wanted to talk, telling me this is all a misunderstanding, they were sorry, blah blah blah."
"I grabbed a backpack from my shoe closet and told them to pack their s**t. My sister-in-law told me I couldn't just make her leave, and I was a horrible person."
"I laughed in her face and told her this is my house, and I can do whatever I wanted."
"My husband stood next to me and told her it was only for a little while."
"I turned to him and said, 'Oh, you too, get out.'"
"He got all mad and told me we were a married couple and that this isn't how marriage works."
"I told him, no, it is not; marriage is where two people support each other, not where men treat their wives like s**t."
"They both ended up leaving after many insults towards me."
When her husband lashed out, the OP decided things were over between them.
"Oh, but wait, It's not over. This morning, as I was getting ready for a Zoom meeting with a few other coworkers, my husband showed up."
"I let him in, telling him to get whatever he needed and to go because I had to work."
"He started apologizing and telling me he wanted to make it right."
"I told him I just needed time away from him."
"Then he threw in my face, 'Well, it's not my fault you lost our children. Maybe this would've never happened. My sister was right, you are selfish.'"
"I have never made my husband feel like he cannot grieve with me over this, never made him feel less than because of his pain. I turned around and slapped him in the face."
"I never condone violence, and I'm very upset I would ever do that to another human, but I just couldn't deal with this."
"He took a step back and then threw all of my makeup on the floor (which I get), but then he started breaking all of my decor in my bathroom."
"I yelled at him to stop and that I was sorry, but he just kept going, even going as far as punching a hole in my bathroom wall. It was like I was seeing all of his bottled-up emotions from our children's deaths come out."
"But he went too far when he tried to grab me, yelling in my face. I kicked him off and told him to get the f**k out."
"He walked out of the bathroom, and I watched him break a few more items as he left. The second he left, I had a panic attack, looking at the mess he made, to even just seeing how much he hid his pain."
The OP's mom helped her take the next steps.
"I called my mother and told her everything that had been happening (I don't talk to my family much due to some past trauma with them)."
"She told me she was on her way. The second she got here, I just broke down, and she held me. Then she stood up and started taking pictures of everything he broke."
"I asked her what she was doing, and she turned to me and said, 'We're suing this piece of s**t.'"
"I honestly didn't even argue, I was so hurt by everything my husband did to me."
"My mom packed up my computer, and I grabbed a few outfits. My mom and I drove to a hotel, and she insisted on staying with me, while I finished up work my mom called a locksmith and my attorney."
"I will be divorcing him as well."
The OP wished things could have turned out differently.
"So, there it is, here's the update everyone has been waiting for."
"I feel guilty for just giving up on my husband and eight years of our marriage, but it's time for a divorce. I can't live like this, and neither can my husband."
"I wish I could say we moved on and forgiven each other, and I wish I had gotten to see my sister-in-law have her baby, but that's not reality."
"If anything, else happens I will let you all know. Thank you, guys, for the support and help with this situation."
From the initial post alone, the subReddit felt that the OP's husband at least needed to be reminded of where his alliances should primarily lie, but many already felt it was time for the OP to part ways from him and start a new life of happiness and healing.
With the OP's update, her husband's behavior only served to seal the deal, whether it was based on grief or not.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
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