When it's over, it's over. Or is it?
What happens when one person has moved on and the other is still hanging on?
A woman turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) to post a future scenario asking the subReddit "Would I Be The A**hole" (WIBTA).
XmasBaby_Throwaway asked:
"WIBTA if I announced my pregnancy at my Christmas/birthday party even though my sensitive ex would be there?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I (30, female) and my fiancé (31, male) recently found out that we're expecting! We're super excited, but as private people, no one outside of our immediate families will know this is actually my second pregnancy—my first ended in miscarriage."
"Out of a mix of anxiety and caution, we've decided to wait until after my anatomy scan (which is the week before Christmas) to announce it publicly."
"Every year, I host a big gathering for Christmas and my birthday, since they're a day apart. Friends fly in, and it's the one time my divorced parents can stand being in the same room together."
"Since my scan is right before the party, and I should be starting to show, I'm thinking about using the 'birthday' part of the evening to announce the pregnancy."
"Here's where the maybe a**hole comes in—my ex (32, male) will likely be there. We're still 'friends' because he's close with a lot of my social circle, and we try to be civil."
"My fiancé and my ex were friends for over a decade before things went south. My fiancé was hired on at my workplace three days after the breakup, so we ended up spending a lot of time together in the coming months and realized we had a lot in common."
"The TLDR of that was: My ex and I dated on and off for a year. It wasn't great—he was controlling and obsessed with the idea that I'd 'c*ck' him if I did anything without him."
"Yeah, it was like two months of dating, then I noped out, but everyone bugged me about giving him a second chance for another couple of months. So I finally caved and gave him another two months and then that was it."
"So, all together during that year, we only dated for four months. But to hear him tell it, you'd think we were together the entire time."
"Several months after our final breakup, my fiancé and I started dating. My ex demanded that my fiancé choose between their friendship and mine. My fiancé chose me."
"My ex then spread rumors that we cheated on him. We lost a lot of friends, and the ones who stayed neutral are why he's still at gatherings—if they're invited, they think excluding him feels awkward so they bring him anyway."
"I've tried explicitly not inviting him, but that turned into a big drama in the friend group. If I host something, someone inevitably ends up bringing him. I'm so tired of this, too, honestly. I don't talk to him at all. He's just... there, whether I want him or not."
"Even though my fiancé and I have been together for over a year now, my ex seems to have some lingering feelings or bitterness. He refuses to acknowledge our engagement, and the energy is always off when I see him."
"Some friends think he's still 'grieving', but my fiancé thinks we should cut him and those who defend him off. As for me, I'm just trying to maintain peace with the friends who stuck around after the pandemic."
"None of our friends know we even want kids. I was the oldest sibling of many and used to joke that I'd 'done my time' raising kids."
"I had an IUD and was actually scheduled for a tubal ligation, but I got pregnant against all odds. That first pregnancy and the subsequent miscarriage changed my heart about having kids."
"Since our friends don't know about that, this announcement will come as a surprise—especially to my ex."
"And yes, it's half a Christmas party (so I can give my friends and family their gifts), but everyone's really there for my birthday."
"So… WIBTA if I announced my pregnancy after the Christmas part of the evening, during my birthday portion?"
The OP later edited her post to add:
"I don't invite my ex. My attempts to ban him were met with hostility, and someone brings him anyway."
"He's kind of inescapable. We've shared this friend group for years because we have hobbies that are different but close enough that there's a number of people who do both. We both met the same group of people and independently befriended them for years before our paths ever crossed."
"I've tried bringing up my discomfort, but I'm met with a mix of 'he's going through it, he just has past relationship trauma, have some sympathy' or 'it's been a year, why are you bringing up drama?' or 'we can't just single this one guy out and leave him out of group activities'."
"Quitting the friend group will freeze me out of a hobby I've had since childhood—Medieval combat. We are often paid to perform at ren faires for our horse jousting tournaments. It's niche, requires a group, and ex isn't even in the hobby."
"Think jousting on horses, full armored combat, that kind of thing. I'm personally not fighting now because of my pregnancy, but my fiancé is still fighting and I've taken over organizing and running the events."
"Fiancé likes most of these people still, and they never bring up ex's feelings or ask fiancé to tolerate ex. They only seem to demand it of me."
"My fiancé is of the mindset 'ignore it and it will go away', but we've been ignoring this man for a year, and he invites himself to everywhere I plan to be. Unsurprisingly, if just my fiancé goes out with these same friends, ex doesn't show."
"I don't talk to my ex. I don't acknowledge my ex. I don't even talk to my social circle about him, but they keep bringing his feelings to me and making me responsible for them."
"I don't want to be responsible for them!"
"I get that this is a group of guys, and he's their bro, but he's been moping longer than we were ever together at this point. I get villifying the ex because your friend is sad for the first month or two while they cope, but after a year‽‽"
"I'm in one medieval combat sport (I don't want to detail which one), and ex is in another. There's a lot of politics that could lead to national-level repercussions for me and my fiancé if we don't tread carefully, and fiancé wants to keep fighting, so quitting the sport wholesale doesn't work for him."
The OP summed up their situation.
"My ex is very likely to be there, and he has a lot of insecurities and seems to be particularly sensitive to my new relationship."
"No one other than my immediate family even knows I want kids now. It is still kind of a Christmas party and that might just be in bad taste."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"People who do not realize that you and your ex are ONLY hanging out at the same time because you feel forced by them are not your real friends."
"A real friend would, as soon as you mention your discomfort and the fact he spread blatant lies about you, at a minimum, they would understand that YOUR BIRTHDAY is not a 'group activity' and support you for not inviting him. And if they're truly your friends, they would not have wanted to include him in anything, considering he felt the need to make up blatant lies about you."
"People making excuses as to why an ex is allowed to behave himself like an a**hole because you broke up with him are just shitty people, that's all there is to it."
"Share the news! Share it proudly! Screw you ex, if he doesn't like it, I'm sure he knows where the door is. And if your so-called 'friends' think it's inappropriate, screw them! I'm sure they know where the door is as well. Trust me, it's better to be surrounded by family and true friends than by a bunch of people who aren't actual friends."
"NTA. And congratulations on following, monitors, tracking, observing, surveilling, or harassing people during your pregnancy! Stay safe, and don't stress. Cut anyone who stresses you out out of your life, neither you nor your baby need that." ~ EmJennings
"NTA. You have to stop letting him dictate your life, though. Your ex does NOT sound like a pleasant person, and I'm honestly surprised you're nice enough to keep him around even after he blatantly lied about you."
"And about your friends, I would rethink your relationship with them too—how were they neutral about your ex making you look and feel like sh*t? Why are they defending his sh*tty attitude?
"You even noted that he brings down the mood. I bet he doesn't even want to attend the event other than to purposefully make you feel uncomfortable and guilt you."
"I'm on team fiancé here, please do it for yourself and drop the ex and those that may be on his side. He's making you suffer even after all this time, and making you walk around on eggshells."
"Stop catering to him, and enjoy Christmas without a party-pooper this year. Congrats on your pregnancy." ~ hopefullyhelpfulyaps
"Explicitly don't invite your ex. If asked why, say that you and your fiancé are fed up of him being so weird about a 4 month off-and-on relationship that's been over longer than it lasted, and you're both sick of his sulks."
"If someone does bring him, and you don't feel able to say 'Why are you here, I didn't invite you', at least tell them that you didn't invite him for a reason and if he starts being weird, you'd like them to take responsibility."
"Announce your pregnancy. If his reaction is anything other than congratulations, say loud and clear that this is exactly the kind of behaviour you're sick of, and ask him to leave."
"If anyone tries to tell you that you're in the wrong, ask them 'Are you saying I'm wrong to announce MY pregnancy in MY house during MY birthday party because of a guest I DIDN'T EVEN INVITE? Will you want me to hide the baby in the attic because of his feelings?'."
"And then stop pandering to people who think Can't Get Over It Carl gets to have a say in your life ever again." ~ OscillatingFox
Though no one mentioned it in their responses, the legal definition of a stalker is someone who "follows, monitors, tracks, observes, surveils or harasses a person, disrupting their ability to live freely.
Hmmm...
The OP gave a bit of an update or potential solution in one comment.
"Like this guy was blatantly lying saying that my fiancé and I started our relationship during my relationship with my ex, and those who didn't believe him were just like, 'Well, his girlfriend before you cheated on him at the end so it's just his trauma acting up and he'll calm down. You just gotta let him work through this, and it'll all blow over'."
"Maybe this has made me a little bitter, too, but I wonder if the story about his ex is even true. Will the next girl hear that I'm the cheating ex? Ugh."
"He's the quintessential 'nice guy'. I have zero local friends who aren't also connected to him in some way, and leaving this friend group completely shuts me out of the local scene for my hobby."
"Maybe I'll float the idea of moving with my fiance and see if we can start fresh, just the three of us (I'm so excited to say that. Our kid!!!) elsewhere. It's easier to move now than before the little one arrives."
It's unfortunate the OP thinks moving is her only recourse to escape a stalker that her friends are enabling. With friends like these...















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.