Living with roommates is always a delicate balance.
Particularly when it comes to the financial aspect of it.
Ideally, everyone should contribute equally to communal items, such as toilet paper, paper towels, dish and hand soap, and cleaning supplies.
In a perfect world, everyone would also contribute equally to the rent, but not everyone agrees to this.
Redditor mikziggy_14 shared an apartment with her girlfriend and one other roommate.
The trio initially came up with an equitable division of the rent and bills.
However, the third roommate eventually contested the amount she should be paying for the apartment.
A suggestion neither the original poster (OP) nor her girlfriend was willing to agree to.
Wondering if she was being unreasonable, the OP took to the subReddit "Would I Be The A**hole" (WIBTA), where she asked fellow Redditors:
"WIBTA If I made my roommate pay rent?"
The OP explained why her roommate wanted to lower the amount of rent she owed:
"Hi there!"
"I really just need some clarity on this situation."
"So any advice is really helpful."
"So to set the stage, I (Marie, 22 F[emale]), my girlfriend (Aspen, 21 F), and our roommate (Mia, 20 F) have lived in a 2-bed 2-bathroom apartment in our college town since April."
"It's in a decent neighborhood ,and rent is about $1,400 a month plus utilities."
"We split rent 3 ways, but because I make a little bit more money, I pay a little more."
"So the split usually ends of being 500/450/450 and utilities equally."
"The conflict is that Mia feels that she shouldn't pay rent when she isn't here during school breaks."
"So over the summer (June-August) she didn't pay rent or utilities, but her stuff was still here."
"Aspen and I didn't want to make it a fight, so we just paid the rent and left it alone."
"However, now that Christmas break is coming up, she texted our group chat and said she doesn't think she should pay rent for December because she is going home on the 13th and won't be back till January 15th."
"I don't think that it's fair, though, because again, her stuff is here, it's still her apartment."
"I understand that it might be difficult for her because she won't be working over the break, but that's not my fault."
"Aspen and I also have money issues (vet bills, car maintenance, etc), and I don't think she should be able to just pick and choose when she pays."
"So Reddit, WIBTA if I made her pay rent?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation, by declaring:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
The Reddit community resoundingly agreed that the OP was not the a**Hole for making Mia pay rent even when she was away.
Everyone agreed that Mia simply didn't understand how a lease worked, and by her logic, if she did not want to pay rent during her time away, then she should also move all her things out during that time as well.
"NTA - this is not how the world works."
"Why should you and Aspen pay Mia's portion of the rent when she's not there?"
"What if all three of you went home for winter break?"
"Would no one be obligated to pay rent?"
"I'm sure the landlord would love that."
"Mia's request is absurd."- eury13
"If that's her mailing address and her stuff is there, she pays rent."
"That's like having a car payment and telling the bank that you shouldn't have to make payments if you don't drive the car."
"Ridiculous."
"The issue is that she's taking up the room, and if she weren't there, you'd have a different roommate paying rent."
"You could conceivably let her slide on paying utilities if you wanted a compromise, since she's not there to use the water/power, but I wouldn't."
"NTA."- JennyM8675309
"NTA."
"That's a lot of entitlement."
"Tell her to move her stuff out so you can rent it to someone else while she's away or else she pays rent."- vt2022cam
"NTA."
"I would also make her pay you guys back for the summer months that she didn't pay."- Iridecent-Cold-Fire
"NTA."
"She doesn't seem to understand how rent works."
"Explain to her, she's free to stop paying rent as soon as she moves out and takes all her stuff."-bmw5986
"NTA."
"If she is on the lease/has her stuff in the apartment, or is coming back, then she pays rent."
"If she were renting on her own, then she would have to pay rent when she went home."
"Same rules apply when you have roommates."
"Also, your salary is irrelevant to the percentage of rent you pay."- General-Toe-8686
"NTA."
"That's not how this works."
"That's not how any of this works."- law-and-horsdoeuvres
"Ywnbta!"
"However, I doubt you will convince her to pay through a normal and logical conversation."
"She won't move her stuff out because she feels entitled to the space."
"So teach her another way."
"Okay Roommate 3, we are about to list your room for rent."
"What are the exact dates you will be gone?"
"Oh, and take out anything valuable so it doesn't get stolen!"
"What do you mean we 'cant' rent 'your' room?"
"If you're not paying rent, it isn't your room!"
"We aren't getting shorted again."
"If you don't pay, you don't have a room."
"We paid three months of your rent already this year."
"We will rent 'the' room out permanently if we have to, but we aren't paying any more rent for you!"-fromhelley
"NTA."
"It's still the apartment she lives in, she still needs to pay for it."- Iridecent-Cold-Fire
"When I went on a work tri,p I didn't use my house or my car for a month."
"Still had to pay for both."
"NTA."- Individual_Check_442
"NTA."
"She needs to pay her rent."
"It's not optional, and that includes the summer months when she's not there."
"She can arrange for someone to sublet (with your approval of whoever it is and if your lease allows it), but that's as far as it goes."
"Mia needs to live in the dorms if she can't pay rent like an adult."- Peep_Power_77
"NTA."
"Tell her to please take all of her stuff with her if she's not paying."- browneyedredhead1968
"This is completely ridiculous."
"She rented an apartment."
"Not a hotel."
"What the hell does she think will happen when she eventually gets her own place?"
"Her landlord will say sure, no worries on the December check?"
"Please ask her this question."
"Dying to know what she thinks would transpire."
"20 years old is way too old for this behavior."
"Tell her that she can come and go as she pleases—and she's still on the hook for her 1/3 of the rent regardless of where in the world she is."
"NTA."- Superb-Dream1626
"Tell her to move her stuff for the time she is gone so that you can sublet the room."
"That if she won't pay rent, you need to be able to make up that money."
"She is being an entitled a**hole."
"NTA."- Quick-Possession-245
"NTA."
"If her stuff is there, she's there."
"She can pay or move out."- RoyallyOakie
"Are you joking that is f*cking insane."
"If this were a Judge Judy episode, her things being there means she lives there, and she needs to pay for it."
"If her stuff wasn't there, you'd get someone to fill the spot."
"Stop being a pushover, YWNBTA."- iraven_mccoy
"NTA."
"She's delusional about how rent works."
"If she wants to not pay rent, she has to take all of her stuff and not be mad if her place is given to someone else."
"She has to pay rent for her stuff to stay and for the knowledge that she has a place to come back to."- Camping_Queen_13
"NTA."
"She still has the option to use the room during that time."
"But you could all discuss renting her room out to another friend/traveller to pay her share if that's something you're comfortable with."
"It's like if she bought a pie."
"She doesn't get to return the pie a week later because she didn't eat it."
"She purchased the option of eating the pie."
"If she wants her money back from the pie, she needs to resell it, which is time and effort."
"As for utilities, if you wanted to be super nice, you could check the bills to see how much the base rates are (ongoing connection, bill fees, etc) and charge her a third of that."
"You're not doing her any favors allowing her to live in this made-up world of hers."- TeddyBear181
It is frustrating to be paying for space when we're not using it.
Unfortunately, that's just how renting a space works, at least on an annual lease.
If Mia gives the OP a hard time about this and chooses to find another living situation, she might be surprised to find that just about every other potential roommate will be equally uninterested in agreeing to her proposed arrangement.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.