There is no better way to get back at someone than by giving them a taste of their medicine.
But... these methods aren't always as effective as we might want them to be.
Sometimes, giving people a taste of their own medicine might also require stooping to their level.
Which, in the long run, doesn't often do anyone any favors.
The husband of a recent Redditor was soon to be a groomsman at the wedding of a friend of his.
A friend whom the original poster (OP) held something of a grudge against.
A big enough grudge that the OP even tried to convince her husband not to partake in a fairly traditional wedding custom.
Wondering if this was an unreasonable request, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The A**Hole" (AITA), where she asked fellow Redditors:
"AITA for refusing to get our friends a wedding gift?"
The OP explained why they had something of an "eye for an eye" mentality towards one of her husband's friends:
"I (27 F[emale]) am refusing to buy our friends a wedding gift for their upcoming wedding next month."
"My husband (29 M[ale]) and I got married in October of last year."
"Groom in upcoming wedding was a groomsman in our wedding."
"My husband is now a groomsman in his wedding."
"They have been friends for 7 years and have a very low maintenance friendship; they speak semi-often and see each other a couple of times a year."
"The bride and I are friendly but never got super close."
"They didn't get us a wedding gift."
"So now, I don't want to get them a gift for their upcoming wedding."
"My husband thinks we should be the bigger people and still get them a gift because they probably 'forgot' to get us one."
"I refuse."
"I believe you should do to others as they do to you."
"Match energy, as the kids say these days."
"AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation by declaring:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
While the Reddit community was somewhat divided, they largely had trouble sympathizing with the OP. They agreed she was, indeed, the a**hole for refusing to get her husband's friend a wedding present.
Some felt that, even if the OP may have been a bit too unforgiving, they also agreed that he should not expect one in return since they did not receive a wedding present from her husband's friend.
"NTA."
"I would take their not having given you a gift as an indication that they possibly were financially strained at that time. Maybe the husband had spent money to be a groomsman, and that's what they were able to do and no more."
"I would accept that with grace (which, at least outwardly, it seems you have), and you've moved on."
"I'd consider the men's comfortable, low-maintenance friendship and then also accept that their not having given you a gift is an indication that one isn't expected from you as that was their approach."
"Get them a card and write a nice note wishing them the best."- dresses_212_10028
"NTA."
"I get it."
"Most of my friends got married before me."
"It was kind of hurtful that several did not bring a gift to my wedding."
"Especially after years of my gifting for weddings, bridal showers, baby showers, kids birthday parties, etc."
"Since then, I have reduced my budget for the same people if I bring anything at all."- Cala1919
Others, however, felt the OP was being petty, as there could have been many reasons her husband's friend didn't give them a wedding present. Others pointed out that she was prioritizing making a point over her husband's friendship.
"YTA."
"If the question was 'we can't afford to give a gift after the cost of being in the wedding' or 'were stretched thin but love our friends, is just a card okay' the answer would be different."
"But you're asking 'is it cool to refuse to allow my new husband to give a gift he wants to give his longtime friend because I need to make a point about never spending a dollar on someone they haven't spent on me?'"
"Keeping mental tabs about who did what for whom in an attempt to make sure your husband, out of generosity and love for his friends, never does more for a person than they did for him is a sh*tty way to live life."
"If you can afford to give a gift and would normally give a gift, give a gift."
"You don't know why these people didn't give you a gift."
"It doesn't hurt you to not make every relationship in your life transactional."
"For the strength of your marriage, I highly suggest you don't try to change your husband from a person who thinks the best of his loved ones and finds joy in celebrating them into a person who keeps a careful tally of the absolute least he must do for someone to 'match energy'."- Unable_Pumpkin987
"YTA."
"Not because you're not giving a gift, but that you're being so spiteful and are out to settle some score in a battle the other people don't even know they're in."
"They likely just think the money spent on being a groomsman was enough and don't know that general etiquette still calls for a gift (although gifts are never a requirement. Just a nicety)."
"Especially if the men are the friends, they're idiots about this stuff."
"And his fiancée might have assumed he took care of it."
"In the end, their reason doesn't matter."
"You're being a b about it by being so angry about not receiving a gift from a friend."
"Gifts are never required."
"They're nice gestures."
"And think about whether you're really [matching energy'."
"My guess is they have no vindictive score to settle with you."
"They are not spending energy being pissed at you and posting on Reddit about you."
"Your energy is wayyyy overblown for this."
"Cool your jets."
"And try to be a kinder person."- Traditional-Load8228
"YTA."
"You have no idea why they didn't get a gift."
"Maybe they forgot."
"Maybe they had financial trouble you don't know about."
"Maybe they DID get a gift and shipped it but it got lost."
"Maybe not!"
"But the point is, you don't know for sure."
"However, by actively choosing not to get them a gift out of spite, you're deliberately trying to 'even the score', and it's not a classy look."
"Matching energy is a trendy way of saying 'f*ck everyone who isn't as perfect as me', and it just leaves everyone depleted and cynical, much like 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind."- Lux_Brumalis
"As the kids say."
"You're 27."
"And not a very mature 27, by the way, this post reads."
"YTA."- Immediate-Vanilla-45
"YTA."
"It's your husband's friend, and if he wants to get them a gift, he should."
"There's pleasure in gift giving, and your petty grievance is robbing your husband of that pleasure."- ejayne512
"YTA."
"Because I reread your post, and you are downplaying his friendship to make it sound less important."
"They are obviously close enough that they wanted each other in their weddings, but you are minimizing it so you sound entitled to your pettiness."- kray_van_cake
"Yeah, you're being petty and an a**."
"YTA."- vomputer
"Have you spoken about it to them at all?"
"Your husband ask his buddy, even just casually over a few beers?"
"It would be a real shame to keep digging this resentment trench only to find out the card got lost."
"Or the tag fell off the gift, which you miss took for someone else's?"
"Maybe their aunt's house has burned down, and they needed to tighten their belt as a family and help out."
"Have you tried communicating at all?"
"I know it's awkward, but it would be the right thing to do."
"And if that's too much, consider being the bigger people and just getting something small and inexpensive like a picture frame."
"YTA, your man is right."
"Be bigger, or be brave and be clear with them."
"You'll have a small and petty life stressing over small stuff like this all the time."- AriBanana
"YTA."
"It's petty and not really worth it."
"But if he wants to get them a gift, he can organize it."- MaxSpringPuma
"YTA."
"Because a) it's petty, b) you are doing to them something you think was wrong of them to do to you, but mostly c) it's not your friendship that's on the line here."
"It's your husband's friend, not yours."
"He gets to take a stand if he wants to, not you."- Reddit
Wedding presents would seem a bonus point when it comes to getting married.
The biggest reward of having a wedding would be committing to the love of your life.
If someone gets fixated on one guest not giving them a wedding present, one has to wonder if they got married for the right reasons.
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp