The role of women in global cultures have evolved over time.
In matriarchal cultures subjected to invasion and colonization, women's equality regressed. But some of those cultures are regaining their original values.
In patriarchal cultures, women's rights often required civil disobedience to make any advancements. But they've happened in many parts of the world.
However some cultures see a disconnect between elders and the younger generations.
A young woman dealing with older family members and their demands about marriage and tradition turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
ItsAlooSamosa asked:
"AITA for yelling at my aunt after she kept pressuring me to marry her son?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I (24, female) am from Pakistan. Here, cousin marriages are common. These cultures are really outdated, and I hate when elders force them upon us. I'm glad my parents are different."
"My aunt keeps pressuring me to marry her son (25, male) since I was a teen. My aunt would start making jokes such as 'You'd make a good daughter-in-law' or 'You and (her son's name) would make a good couple,' etc..."
"I used to brush it off back then, ignore it and such, hoping it would stop, but they never did. Instead, it started being more common."
"She started doing it every time we met, and I've shut her down politely every time, saying I'm not interested and it won't ever happen."
"My mom knew how much it bothered me. She didn't want to disrespect her elders, so she kept quiet and only spoke about it in private when my aunt messaged her. My mom told me to keep quiet and ignore it because she won't let it happen"
"This was very uncomfortable."
"This whole thing gave my cousin some wrong ideas because he started messaging me in private saying things like, 'We're getting married in the future, so why aren't you talking to me now?' I'd just ghost him and ignore his messages."
"My aunt is delusional. My mom politely tried to put a stop to it, but she never listened. The 'our decision is final' means that my aunt and her entire family—as in her children and husband have decided that they want me and only me as their daughter-in-law."
"That was their decision, and it was final from their end, so it was up to my family to accept the offer. I have no idea why she's fixated on me."
"It's almost like an unhealthy obsession. I have no idea what she sees in me because I'm just an average girl."
"Just a few years ago. I lost my temper at a family gathering after my aunt said, 'You're all grown up now, when are you going to marry him? Our decision is final'. The strong feeling of ick and cringe just made me lash out."
"I yelled at my aunt, calling her stupid for not listening to me and not understanding what no means. I used mild swear words as well and it was a whole heated argument."
"To end the argument, my brother had to physically carry me out of the house, where I had a breakdown, and we all just left her house. My mom was hurt by this a lot, and I could feel the pain in her voice whenever we spoke about this."
"She said she just wishes I handled it differently."
"After this came a series of unwanted toxicity and drama. My aunt yelled at my mom, making her look like a terrible person for letting that happen, and cut off all ties. She influenced mom's oldest sister and brother to do the same."
"My cousin got married to someone else, and we found out about it through someone else. He got married and divorced just later that year, and somehow, my aunt managed to partially blame me and mom for that divorce even though we played no part in it."
"She blames us by saying, 'It's her fault, if she had accepted the marriage then none of this would have happened'."
"My mom deals with her siblings often, and sometimes they drag her into dramas. I've seen her cry in her room alone because of this, and it makes me feel bad."
"I feel like I should have done better or done things differently for the sake of my mom. All this toxicity and drama would have been avoided if I did things differently."
"I love my mom to death. The reason I'm feeling bad about this is because of the aftermath she has to deal with. I wish I had better aunts and uncles."
The OP summed up their situation.
"Yelling at my aunt and using cuss words, even though yelling at elders is a big no where I'm from."
"It ruined my mom's relationship with her siblings, and she has to go through drama and toxicity because of this."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA at all! Your aunt has some weird delusion that after you say no a hundred times, you were still going to marry him. You are your own person and deserve respect."
"No one should be telling anyone who to marry. Heck, you don't have to marry at all if you don't want to!" ~ OKMace91
"NTA. Did your mom really, truly have a healthy relationship with her siblings before this? It doesn't sound like it."
"It sounds like her big sister was used to being able to mistreat her, and your mom would just take it. Your mom is still stuck in that cycle, which is unfortunate."
"The best thing you can do is live a great life. That will give your mom something happy to focus on and a role model (you!) for how to live differently."
"Be kind to yourself or to build a peaceful, happy life." ~ HowlPen
"Either your mom didn't give her sister a clear no and to stop, or she did, and your aunt didn't listen. Either way, respect was missing from their relationship."
"So it wasn't healthy. That's not your fault."
"If your mom had made your aunt stop, then none of this would have happened. If your aunt respected being told no, this never would have happened."
"No matter what, their unhealthy relationship started before you were born." ~ angel2hi
"It was your mother's responsibility to make the no-stick! She promised you she would handle it and then... didn't."
"You were left utterly defenseless and had to take up for yourself. Your mom wishes you'd handled it differently? Yeah, well, you wish she had handled it at ALL."
"This is not on you. Your mom's family is toxic, and she needs to learn to deal with them or cut off all contact for the sake of her own children."
"You didn't break them, you can't fix them." ~ Elesia
"Please know there was nothing you could do, except complete surrender, that would have avoided this drama. Even then, your aunt would be a nightmare to have as a mother-in-law, so drama was inevitable anyway."
"This is all about who she is, not about anything you did or didn't do." ~ BombayAbyss
"NTA. You shouldn't have 'handled it differently'. Because that's what you did, for YEARS, and it got you nowhere."
"They ignored you and persisted when you were polite about it. I mean, it was a no-win situation. If you're polite and quiet, they ignore your wishes, and you'd probably be getting married to him now!"
"If you're loud and insistent and refuse to be controlled by others, then you make everyone upset. There's literally no winning in this situation, so you finally put a stop to it. Good for you!" ~ Lizwings
"It sounds like your mother's family was used to your mother doing whatever they wanted to keep the peace and expected to do the same to you."
"The situation has always been toxic, but now you don't have to worry about that lady being both your aunt and your mother-in-law because if you think this is bad, imagine how much worse it would have been to be related to them through blood and the law."
"That lady would try and run over you and control your children as well, except now you would have had to pay to get out of it." ~ Gigi-lily
"I'm from Pakistan. I don't blame you in the least. She pushed and pushed, and you broke, especially with your cousin buying into your aunt's delusions."
"Your mother is better off without toxic relationships and people in her life, but you have to realize she may not see it that way given the importance of family in our culture."
"I'd encourage you to persuade her for therapy to gain another outlook if she is open to it. And to build a community outside of her family."
"It is hard to maintain your dignity in these situations, but she can either cower and take the blame so people believe the lies your aunt tells, or she can hold her head up, explain her side, and ignore the people who are just drama llamas." ~ OutrageousMulberry76
As the saying goes, traditions are often just peer pressure from dead people.
Hopefully such traditions eventually completely die.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.