Modesty in relation to religion is common across cultures, sects and denominations. You see it in the clothing of Catholic clergy, Orthodox Jews, Amish, Muslims and Mennonites to name only a few.
The degree to which people practice modesty is sometimes a strict social guidance and other times it's open to individual choice.
A woman who chooses to practice modesty fof her faith turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback after photos of her were shared online.
Similar-Hope-9839 asked:
"AITA for asking my friend to take down her bachelorette party photos?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"To start this off I am a Muslim woman who wears the hijab. I cover my hair and most of my body."
"It is haram (a sin) to willingly show a man my hair once I've become a full blown hijabi, unless he is a male family member or husband. Of course every sin has different weights, and it's more so a personal thing between me and God rather than anyone else."
"I do not judge those who don't do the same, nor do I try to impose my beliefs onto others. Everyone will have their own personal journeys, and just as I know I'm not perfect, I can't judge others for it either."
"It is simply necessary for me. It makes me feel comfortable."
"I (23, female) recently went to a friend's bachelorette party. Women only, no drinks, just girls being girls and celebrating a friends soon to be marriage."
"Maya (24, female) has been a friend of mine since kindergarten and I'm more than happy to be a part of such a big part of her life. She isn't religious, but she accepts my views and is even going to let me wear a more modest style abaya as her maid of honour."
"This is to say Maya understands the hijab and what it means to me, or so I thought."
"At the party, I took it off as it was just women. We were going to sleep over anyways, so I don't think anyone was expecting me to sleep in the thing.
"I always find it funny how they react when they get to see my hair, like I'm secretly Repunzel or something. We watched a movie, took photos and videos, and generally had a good time."
"I had no problems with the photos being taken, since my friends are usually respectful and don't post them anywhere. It just stays in our groupchat."
"We went to sleep and the next day everything was normal. We cleaned up and I drove home, finally checking my phone."
"I opened instagram to the tagged icon and checked it to see myself and the girls on Maya's public account."
"I quickly messaged Maya asking her to take it down before anyone else saw, as I couldn't control whether or not some guy was going to see her post, and she refused saying that there were no other good photos of her."
"I asked her to simply crop me out or even draw over my hair and neck but she said that it would look wrong and that I'm overreacting. I insisted I wasn't and that she knew that I couldn't show my hair to just anyone."
"Instead of responding to me, she took it to the groupchat as some sort of 'counsel'. Half of them agreed that she shouldn't have posted a photo of me without my hijab and a couple others told me I was overreacting and no one cared besides me."
"I should note that one of the most vocal of them who disagreed generally doesn't like me so she would have disagreed regardless of what I said."
"All of the photos of me were candids—besides one which was not one of the ones she posted on Instagram. The whole carousel were candids of what was essentially a pyjama party."
"I've known these girls for years and it's been known that photos of me without my hijab just stay between us. I used to just say no to photos, but it'd always be a mood killer."
"There were around 40 photos taken and I was only in 6 of them. She only posted 7 on Instagram, but I was in 3."
"I was in the minority of the 40 photos, and still was in almost half of the Instagram post. I removed my hijab for the party because that's a conversation I had with my friends ages ago."
"I've known Maya since we were 5 years old. She grew up seeing my mother wear the hijab, and was there as I started to wear it in my teen years."
"I've communicated my boundaries to her, and the group, over the course of years."
"Most of us are urging her to take down the post, and now she's claiming we're putting her under a lot of stress with the wedding only a week away, but I don't see what that has to do with this."
"Am I really being unreasonable for wanting to be respected? AITA?"
The OP added:
"There were about 40 photos and I was only in 6 of them. People are under the impression that I was in every photo taken."
"I wasnt, yet I was in almost half of which were posted. All of the ones posted were candids."
The OP summed up their situation.
"I'm asking her to take down her Instagram post. She's claiming she's really stressed because of it and that it isn't a big deal, so me pushing it might make me an a**hole."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA. If a friend of mine asked me to remove a photo with them in it—for WHATEVER reason—it'd be removed from the photo before the day ended. My friends can trust me 100% that I won't put them in a position that makes them uncomfortable."
"But, at this point, you have no control. You can ask her to remove the photo, but you can't control it."
"Learn from this and don't trust her again. You can't let your guard down around everyone." ~ ladystetson
"My husband is very private and doesn't want his photos online anywhere. Friends posted photos on Facebook that they took at our wedding and quickly took them down when asked."
"There's nothing unreasonable about asking your friends to remove photos of you from social media. NTA." ~ IAmGoingToThat
"My husband is very particular about what photos of him go online, to the point that I always ask him before I post a photo, even a benign one. If he says no, I don't post it, no matter how cute it is or if I look good in the photo or whatever. Simple as that."
"I cannot imagine what would ever possess me, short of a brain tumour, to post photos of a woman without her hijab online in the first place, much less stubbornly refuse to take them down once asked."
"I'd be incredibly embarrassed to have made a mistake like that, and would be tripping over myself to fix it and apologise. NTA." ~ boudicas_shield
"I don't see what being a friend has to do with this. A decent person would do it if a complete stranger asked. Heck, I would do it even if it was someone I disliked. NTA." ~ Infinite_Slide_5921
"You don't even have to be a friend, you just have to have basic decency. I wouldn't do this to anyone, including a total stranger. NTA." ~ boudicas_shield
The OP provided an update.
"I wanted to give it a couple days before I updated to let the situation cool down or hopefully resolve itself. In short, the post got taken down, the wedding is still happening, and I'm still friends with her."
"I got a bunch of DMs from her fiancé the other day, apologizing, saying that he'd recognized me in the photos of me without my hijab and he'd informed me that he told her to take them down."
"He's Christian—possibly Russian Orthodox—and from what I understand, his mother veils so he understands the rules around hijab a good bit."
"He felt bad he saw me and I had to reassure him that it wasn't his fault and thanked him for talking to Maya for me. He asked if this whole situation would affect our friendship, and I told him I wasn't sure in what way."
"A bit after, Maya finally messaged me one to one for the first time after the whole fiasco. She apologized and explained she didn't think it was a big deal since her other Muslim friend doesn't wear the hijab and she thought I was simply being dramatic."
"I told her that everyone is different and what someone else chooses to do with their body and faith doesn't mean someone else will do the same."
"My older sister doesn't wear the hijab, Maya's seen her. It's a personal choice and no two people are going to have the same relationship with it."
"I asked her why me asking her to take it down wasn't enough on it's own, since she'd done similar things for others in the past—think bra strap showing, unflattering angle, exposed scars—without hesitation."
"She said she wasn't thinking straight and felt like it didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. It was only when her fiancé brought it up to her that she took it down."
"She put the other four photos up—the ones without me in them—and she realized that she was being stubborn for no reason. She asked me if there was anything she could do to make up for it and I asked her to just keep it in the past."
"I'd like to clear up the notion that is the first bachelorette party or even wedding our friend group has had, since that's far from it. Added, we've had conversations regarding special occasions MANY times so even if it was the first time, this shouldn't have happened."
"This wedding will be the third and come by September, mine will be the fourth! Also, we've been friends for almost two decades, so cutting her off over this would be so out of proportion."
"I did not report the photos to Instagram, and I did not abandon my faith like some of you suggested. This may not be the update some were wanting, but at least things are better now and the wedding is soon and going as planned!"
It sounds like cooler heads prevailed and everything worked out for the best.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.