"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" is a line from Act 1, Scene 3 of Hamlet by William Shakespeare. The character Polonius is giving advice to his son Laertes as he is going off to college.
But stuff happens in life and most people at one time or another require a loan or a line of credit. Which means someone has to be a lender.
The full line is:
"Neither a borrower nor a lender be, for loan oft loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry."
Essentially, Polonius is warning his son that lending money to friends or family is full of risks to both finances and relationships. And routinely borrowing money to pay for life's regular expenses doesn't build a habit of taking personal responsibility.
In that context, it's sound advice.
But what about lending money to your ex? Is that ever a good idea?
Well...
A woman dealing with the fallout of collecting some of the money her ex-husband owes her thanks to an error on his part turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
Rare-temp asked:
"AITA for not returning money my ex-husband sent to me mistakenly?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"A few days ago my ex-husband mistakenly transferred two payments of 8,700 and 9,275 to me. He did this at around 7:40 in the morning and I didn't notice because I had just worked a double/night shift and was getting ready for bed."
"So my phone was charging on the nightstand. At the same time, our 4 children were at my parents so I planned to sleep away half the day."
"I guess he realized his mistake around 8:30 a.m., and by then, I was dead asleep. I woke up at around 4 p.m. to at least a hundred missed calls and maybe 150 texts asking and begging me to send him back the money."
"My initial thoughts were to send it back, but then I remembered he owed me 12,000 and hasn't payed me back. The money was loaned to him after our divorce."
"We've been divorced for 7 years and I loaned him the money 4 years ago after he lost his job and fell behind on bills and his rent. This has nothing to do with his child support payments—which he is also behind on."
"That's being handled by family court/the child support oversight company."
"There's a text of him asking for a loan and it included a repayment plan and timeframe, but he never stuck to it. There are also many more texts discussing repayments and his excuses why he couldn't yet pay me back."
"So there's a legal trail if he ever decided to involve the law, but I seriously doubt he would because it would cost way more to sue me. I think I would win in court since I only deducted his debt to me."
"Yes, he is the father of our 4 kids. I didn't deduct the overdue child support payments because that is being handled by the courts and I don't want to muddy the water and get myself in trouble."
"The child support company is aware of his arrears, and if I'm not mistaken, he will need to start paying soon, or they'll start garnering his wages."
"When I say 'then I remembered he owed me money', you have to understand I had just woken up after having worked a double shift—I'm a nurse—and I was still kind of exhausted when I woke up."
"I could barely remember my own name let alone anything else. So my initial instinct was just to return the money but I quickly came back to my senses!"
"He's had a million excuses why he can't pay me back and yet I always see him living it up. His priorities are always himself and whatever new woman he's with, that is until she's no longer shiny and new."
"Yes, I could've sued him for the debt, but it would've cost me way more to hire a lawyer. Suing someone isn't cheap. Lawyers cost real money, and a lawsuit takes real time."
"So I kept the amount he owed me and returned only 5,975 and told him I deducted his 12,000 debt."
"Since then, I've had him call me every name in the book because this was apparently money he was saving to buy his girlfriend an engagement ring, the engagement venue, etc., so according to him, he had to tell her."
"He could've just pushed the engagement off and saved for a little longer. He didn't have to tell her."
"He probably did it because he wanted her to go on a social media campaign and badmouth me to anyone who'd hear. I can't tell you for sure that's why he told her, but I can say that he likes to rile his girlfriend up by telling her all the ways I've done him some perceived injustice."
"This supposedly led to it ruining the surprise engagement he planned for the next weekend. His girlfriend has been bad-mouthing me, and it has caused a bit of a sh*t storm with me having to shut down my social media."
"Even his parents—who I had a cordial relationship with—has been impacted by it."
"I discussed the situation with a friend and colleague. It was overheard by another colleague, and he called what I did a dickhead move."
"I guess he shared it with a couple of other people, and now I'm not too sure anymore whether I am being an a**hole or not.
"Is this an a**hole move?"
The OP added:
"Absolutely love my children and wouldn't trade my life with them for anything, but I certainly do regret ever being involved with their father. But you live and you learn."
"I learned that love is not enough to sustain a relationship or a family. It's kind of essential that you have the foundation of respect, consideration, reliability, responsibility, loyalty, integrity, honesty, devotion, and the occasional willingness to sacrifice your own comforts to make that love work."
"And it cannot be one-sided!"
The OP summed up their situation.
"Ex-husband mistakenly sent me money."
"I deducted his debt to me from it and returned the rest. Now I'm told the money was for an engagement ring and this has ruined the surprise engagement party he planned for his girlfriend."
"AITA for deducting his debt before returning the money?"
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors unanimously declared the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA. Every time someone calls you out for it, just reply, 'I did return it. I just deducted the 12k that I loaned him, and he's never paid back." ~ Shozurei
"NTA. If you think about it, the ex-husband begging her to send it back is essentially him begging her to loan him another $12,000 for his girlfriend's ring, which is just weird. Who asks their ex-wife to spot them the cash for their re-marriage?" ~ Father-Son-HolyToast
"To be fair, he has owed you 12,000 for four years."
"His priorities should have been clearing his debt and then saving for an engagement ring, especially when he clearly had the money."
"Also, surely he can find an engagement ring for 6,000."
"NTA, you only kept what you were owed." ~ buongiornoitaly
"NTA. Tell everyone who says that you're wrong that if he can afford a 'venue', he can afford to pay back his debt to the mother of his children."
"His new fiancée should be pleased to find out his true nature before the wedding. You did her a favour letting her know that he won't repay his debts unless forced to do so."
"His bad luck on the mistake, but good for you." ~ squirrelsareevil2479
"NTA. OP says he is also behind on his CS, but that it is being handled by family court."
"This dude has no business dropping almost 18 K on his girlfriend when he is not upholding his commitments to his former wife and children." ~ Some_Range_9037
"Who the hell spends 18,000 on an engagement ring and party when you obviously can't afford it?"
"NTA. That's just irresponsible and stupid." ~ GoNinjaPro
"My whole wedding, including the dress, suit, rings, and flights to Vegas with the full Elvis package and hotel with 'fun money' cost less than $3,000."
"The ex should feel relieved that at least that debt is settled. He's a fool for throwing away cash on some silly event and a shiny ring when he owes back child support. NTA." ~ Fromashination
"NTA—he owed you money and finally repaid it."
"Additionally, he didn't have to tell his girlfriend anything and just planned for a little bit later, but then he wouldn't be able to drag you through the dirt."
"So I guess you have to decide how badly you need your money back. I'm going to guess 12,000 is a lot more valuable than the people who take the side of someone like that." ~ SunshineShoulders87
"NTA—amusing how he can afford an almost 20,000 engagement but can't afford to pay you back. Keep the money and let them run their mouths." ~ Ok_Homework8692
This mother learned not to loan money to her ex, no matter his circumstances.
Her ex probably hasn't learned anything.
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Cancel Date After He Makes Too Many Sexual Comments
Dating can be really hard, because let's be honest, as fun as it's supposed to be, there are some very strange prospects out there.
While some might just be socially awkward, there are definitely some walking red flags, ready to push every boundary, cautioned the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Suspicious_End_441 had been talking to a guy for a little while and was planning to go on a first date with him when he started sending her increasingly inappropriate text messages.
But when his texts went far past her comfort zone, especially for someone she'd never met, the Original Poster (OP) planned to call off the date and truly never meet the guy in real life.
She asked the sub:
The OP had been talking to a guy and was looking forward to going on a first date with him.
"For context, I (30 Female) met this guy online and have been talking to him the past few days."
"He asked me out, and we planned a date for today. He seems really nice so far."
"I like him, but he’s made a couple of comments that maybe seem like a red flag to me."
"First off, I did my nails for the date, and he asked me to send him a picture, so I did."
"Then he made some comment like, 'Those would look great wrapped around something.'"
"I kinda brushed it off because I know that’s how some guys are... but it did give me the ick a little."
"Then I asked him to tell me more about himself, and the second thing he told me was that he has a high sex drive."
The potential date texted:
The OP no longer liked the idea of dating the guy.
"Don’t get me wrong, I’m no prude, but this made me slightly uncomfortable. I’m wondering what reason you would need to tell this to someone you haven’t even met yet."
"I didn’t think he would be expecting sex on a first date, but this made me rethink."
"I’m also recovering from a surgery that I had three weeks ago, and he knows this. So that literally isn’t even an option for me, not that I would wanna do that on a first date anyway."
The OP considered never meeting the guy in person.
"I kind of feel like he’s making too many sexual comments too quickly, especially considering I didn’t engage with his first comment at all."
"Am I overreacting, feeling like I maybe want to cancel the date and block him?"
"I just feel like these comments are an indicator of his expectations... or maybe he is just 'being a guy'?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some had second-hand "ick" from reading that text message.
"NOR. My face when I read that text: [Dan Levy from 'Schitt's Creek']" - Unlikely_Captain_499
"I’d nope out right after the nails comment. After I blast him for being completely out of line." - WHYohWhy__MEohMY
"If he’s that comfortable saying stuff like that before he meets you, imagine what he’ll say after he knows you better." - ScrambledNoggin
"Gross. That joke should be saved for wife or long-term girlfriend where you know you'll get a laugh... or more accurately, an eye-roll and a 'threat' to not sleep with him for the next three months, LOL." - HovercraftIII1258
"Every time I get my nails done, my husband says something similar to that, and I always reply, 'I think they'd look good jammed in your eye sockets,' and we both laugh, LOL. But we've been married for over a decade. When we met and when we were dating, he was incredibly polite and possibly TOO slow in making advances. THIS is gross." - wingin_it0618
"This is exactly what I expect as a response from a man heavily in the dating scene right now. Like, sex is fine, but this guy really couldn't wait to go out on the date that was already set up and chill for ONE d**n night? If the girl is into you, it will happen when it happens. It says to me like he has no self-control." - BrayIsreal
"If he's giving you the ick, listen to that. It's not going to go away. Don't waste your own time or his. Plenty more fish in the sea, girl." - Zieglest
"As a man who is heavily in the dating world right now, that sounds like such a turn off, and any self-respecting girl who wants an actual relationship would not even talk to him anymore after this. It's so cringey and makes all of us guys look like there's no reason we want to go out with them other than getting laid. As a guy, it's really annoying; it makes girls weirded out by all of us. Sigh."
"Like, sex is fine, but this guy really couldn't wait to go out on the date that was already set up and chill for ONE d**n night? If the girl is into you, it will happen when it happens. It says to me like he has no self-control."
"That was the dumbest thing he could say to kill his chances. I wouldn't bother with him." - BrayIsReal
"NOR, I wouldn’t want to go anymore either. Making multiple sexual comments before even meeting someone is purposeful, and I doubt he remembers that you can’t do anything due to your surgery or even considers whether you want to."
"Don’t brush off how your gut makes you feel. If you are uncomfortable, then you are under no obligation to go." - AliBari
Others urged the OP to listen to her gut, not to go on that date, and to immediately block the guy.
"If he is already this forward, making sexual comments to a complete stranger, then it will only increase from here; he’s not going to suddenly stop. OP, if he already makes you feel uncertain or pressured, then don’t bother." - saiphxo
"Your gut is telling you something and wants to keep you safe. Don't ignore it." - SparkEli1
"Stay far, far away from this guy. Block. Don't look back. Men like this use high sex drive as a disclaimer for zero boundaries later." - CompetitionLankys
"Trust your intuition. Don’t go."
"I (39 Female) am very comfortable with casual sex and hook-ups. When single, I have never needed an emotional connection with a man to let off some steam. I don’t need him to make me feel special or like we have potential. I don’t need to know his hopes and dreams. I separate men into 'just sex' and 'potential for more' easily."
"I do need him to show the most basic level of respect and not be a creep. I would stop talking to this guy the instant he started speaking like that, even if my intention was to just f**k him."
"We are already talking, we are already about to go on a date, why is he turning it creepy sexual, what is that doing for either of us. It just speaks to a lack of judgment, I wouldn’t want to trust. If he can’t handle a basic text conversation without being a creep, why would I trust him to be alone with me?" - TheCa11ousB**h
"Ok, so I'm a degenerate, but even I wouldn't say something like 'those would look good wrapped around something' to a person I'd never met."
"I mean... do I have to be dad here and say the obvious? It's some guy on the internet who's looking to f**k. Is that really what you want? He can't even be bothered to type the d in the word 'and.'"
"Also, your nails look cool." - skippybeefree
"I’m more insulted that it’s just a terribly uncreative line. This guy's a bum!"
"Also, it's a huge red flag is the first thing he describes himself as a clean freak and needs things done his way. Sounds like a control freak, which would make me dip out immediately." - JeromeBarkley
"Only you know what you need to do. Feel safe. Feel comfortable. Feel SAFE!"
"If you don't, then cancel."
"Some men (I am a man) sometimes say way too much way too soon, and some men don't know how to hold a decent conversation. Sometimes just telling them how you feel about the sexual comments and seeing his reaction will tell you more than anything else he has ever said to you up until this point."
"But always remember you can choose to back out at any point in a date, even if you turn up to have dinner but can't walk in. The same goes for him as well if he turns up but doesn't walk in. We all have the right to feel safe and comfortable, especially on a first date." - Ok_goal6591
It was possible that the guy was just excited about the date, nervous to talk to someone new, socially awkward, or just joking at an inappropriate level.
Unfortunately, though, it was much more likely that these comments indicated the guy's expectations for the first date and how he would treat the OP if she set boundaries, especially regarding his inability to perform after surgery for safety reasons.
While it would be fun to meet someone new, it was much safer for the OP to wait for someone else.