Content Warning: Estrangement, No Contact, Parental Death
When we suddenly lose someone that we love, every person is going to react to that event and process that grief differently.
But we should never push our style of grief onto someone else, even if it would make our own lives easier, pointed out the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITA) subReddit.
Not only did Redditor Dense-Ad6249 lose his father, but his mother soon pushed to remove any memory or mention of him from their home, specifically so she could move on and remarry with a "clean" slate.
It became so bad, the Original Poster (OP) decided the parent who needed to be erased from his life was his mother, no matter how many important life events he experienced without her.
He asked the sub:
"AITA for issuing a warning to my maternal relatives that they can be uninvited from my wedding at any time?"
The OP had been estranged from his mother for more than a decade.
"I'm (28 Male) getting married next year. I am 100% no contact with my mother and have been for the past 10 years and I have not lived in her house in 12 years (yes, at 16, I was living somewhere other than with her)."
"That no contact is not changing for anything and yes, she has attempted to reach out and make amends in that time but I am not interested and have continued to keep all points of contact between us closed."
"This includes the family on her side I do talk to (mainly her parents, two of her siblings, and her two siblings five kids aka my cousins). I talk to them because they were there for me."
The OP decided it was more important to keep memories alive than that relationship.
"The reason for the estrangement? I don't like who she became after my dad died."
"I was eight when he passed, and when I was nine, my mom suddenly announced that all photos of Dad, all of his clothes and possessions, and anything to do with him were being boxed up and sent to his parents."
"She wanted us to move on from Dad, she wanted to be married again, and she didn't want her new husband to be uncomfortable seeing her dead husband's face everywhere. She also wanted me to like and love whoever she married and didn't want me to cling to a dead man who was not coming back and was no longer part of our lives."
"She refused to let me have a photo or two for my room and told me she would not fight with me and had already fought with his parents because they were outraged she wanted to throw all of his stuff and photos in the trash."
"From that day on, my mom was cold toward me if I even attempted to bring up my dad."
"She did remarry, and she had three (possibly more after I left) more kids."
"She married a man who was bitter that I wouldn't call him dad and refused to change my last name to his and accept him adopting me. My mother was furious with me for stopping the adoption. They had spent thousands on a lawyer who they felt would be able to push it through regardless of my feelings."
"When I moved out at 16, I spent two weeks with my maternal grandparents before going to my paternal grandparents, and the relatives I mentioned above continued being supportive and understanding even after I left the state."
But the OP's maternal in-laws changed their tune when the OP was getting married.
"But now that has changed. They brought up inviting my mother and her family to my wedding several times, and I told them nothing had changed for me."
"They would try to make persuasive arguments as to why I should invite her and let her be there for this day."
"I got a little firmer with them and then they changed course and said that I should invite her other children with them, so we can have a relationship. I refused that too."
"Then they brought up how important it is to invite my mother."
"That was when I told them that if they bring it up again or try anything to get her there, they can be uninvited. I told them I would make them leave on the day if I had to."
"They told me there was no reason to be so harsh toward them."
"AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that he didn't have to turn his wedding into a time of reconciliation.
"Just say, 'My wedding is to celebrate my and my significant other's love. It is not a day to attempt a family reconciliation.'"
"In addition to being against your wishes, you simply will not have time for them."
"Stand strong! NTA." - S4zippyzoo
"Your Wedding…Your Rules."
"A Wedding is not the place to make amends for past hurt! If you choose to re-engage, do it on a different occasion. Just my Two Cents."
"Congrats on your upcoming nuptials! May you have a fabulous fun day without stress or pressures from anyone!"
"NTA." - Trick_Parsley_3077
"NTA, who you choose to invite to your wedding is only up to you and your fiance. The question of inviting your mother was asked and answered, they need to drop it."
"It wasn't harsh of you to say you keep pushing your agenda and I have repeatedly told you no, you are not listening to MY wishes for MY wedding so the consequence of not dropping it is you don't want their presence either. Choices mean consequences."
"It doesn't matter if there was a possibility of having a relationship now or in the future. It isn't their choice to make, isn't their responsibility to be her champion or acceptable to keep forcing the issues. You made a decision about the things that were important to you and seems like you feel it is the best decision for you and your future. That is good enough and they should be accepting of it."
"I find it odd that people think special events like this, which celebrate a milestone in someone's life are a good place for a reunion. It simply isn't, it makes a happy and memorable moment of your life awkward and stressful." - WesternGanache4087
"NTA. You tried to be polite, and their response was to refuse to accept the answer and try harassing you into changing your mind. Harassment means the gloves come off, and if they don't like harshness, well, they shouldn't have started the fight. They are the rude ones, not you." - Normal-Height-8577
"NTA. You and only you decide who can and who can't come to your wedding. Uninvite all who don't respect your opinions and choices."
"They have no right to tell you anything about your relationship with your mom, this is why parents need to be careful how they treat their kids as when these kids become adults they will decide if they actually still have parents or not." - forgeris
Others agreed and pointed out that the OP did, in fact, have to be harsh with his family.
"NTA. I personally would have done the same… If they are not capable of respecting your boundaries, you cut them off."
"People need to stop with the 'but it's family' bulls**t. Some DNA in common makes you blood-related but not family! One needs to behave like family to be considered as such!" - Sad_Consequence392
"You set a hard boundary from the get-go. They didn't like that and are probably hoping for some kind of big family now and have never given up hope for it and were probably hoping this would be a changing point."
"Good on you and keep those boundaries firm." - igwbuffalo
"OP's father was family but OP's mother wanted to wipe any reminder or memory of him almost immediately to move on to another relationship. OP wiping her from his life is karmic." - lemon_charlie
"Oh no, there are a million reasons to be harsh with them, since they don't (don't want to) understand when you're polite. Many interpret kindness as a sign of giving in, so better to make the situation clear."
"However, have you considered that by inviting your maternal relatives, some of your wedding photos will end up with your mother and half-siblings? Because the relatives will surely take photos and then, having a relationship with your mother, they will share them."
"You have to consider whether this is okay for you or whether it bothers you... I don't know, maybe you don't want your mother to see your girlfriend so she can contact her to try to get to you. Have you thought about it?"
NTA." - 000-Hotaru-Tomoe
"I'd say there's a difference between harsh and blunt. Since they were not taking the polite way you were saying it, you were clear and to-the-point about your expectations and the consequences. I actually don't care if it's harsh, I think it's fair to clearly articulate your wants, especially in regards to a wedding day." - IconicTayQuestion
Some agreed with all of the above and urged the OP to look into wedding security options.
"Is security in the budget and/or are you and your fiancee open to a destination wedding where only the select few that you want there can definitely come or elope?"
"I have a strong feeling your maternal family is going to try to bring your mom and her family in as their plus-ones." - Storms_and_Rainbows
"NTA. What is it about people's fantasies of a happy reconciled family, that they stop seeing reality and think they can impose on others so they can get that Hallmark moment?"
"You will need some appointed 'guards' at your wedding because it doesn't seem like people are going to give up (and since your mother will be informed where and when, she might just show up of her own volition). Honestly, expect drama (unless you elope)." - ParsiminiousSalad
"Congratulations on your upcoming wedding. If I were you, I would hire security because you never know your family might just bring your mother and half-siblings to your wedding, thinking that you won't make a scene and you will just put up with it."
"Good luck and please update us to let us know what happens." - lynnebrad70
"NTA. It seems like you might want to consider having some sort of security at your wedding, if only so you can make d**n sure that someone doesn't try to pull a stunt, such as trying to sneak your egg donor into the venue while you're not paying attention." - Jaded-Permission-324
"NTA. It's your wedding. No one other than you and your fiancée have any right to say who you should or shouldn't invite."
"It's possible your mom's family is getting pressure from her directly to be invited. It may be worth sitting down with them to reinforce your boundaries with regard to your mom."
"People expect weddings to be this magical moment when all family issues disappear and it's a love fest, but they're not."
"Given your mom's past behavior, if invited she'd likely show up and tell other guests her husband is your dad, leading to other issues. Can you imagine her trying to butt in on the father-daughter dance?"
"As it is, you may need to have a plan in place if she shows up at your wedding uninvited. Have someone guard the door if it's in your budget, or take something off to add it to the budget. You don't want her to ruin the memory of your special day the way she attempted to ruin the memory of your father." - GingerWhoDrinksTeaaaa
The subReddit was overwhelmingly sad for the OP and all he had to go through, and how his family was changing their loyalties now that he was getting married.
It seemed he needed to do whatever he needed to do to preserve the special day with his future wife, from setting boundaries to sending disinvitations to hiring guards to throw out disrespectful people. Someone had already tried to bury the memory of his family; he didn't need someone trying to taint the first day of the rest of his life with his wife.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.