Though getting married, buying a big house, and having two kids and a dog isn't everyone's dream, there are still people who dream of that white picket fence life.
If one person really wants the marriage, they'll likely only be compatible with someone who also wants to get married, no matter how much they might otherwise love each other, argued the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor chibitank knew that he wanted to get married, preferably by the time he turned 40, and because he had such an amazing relationship with his long-time girlfriend, he thought she was the one.
But when she rejected two marriage proposals from him and said he had commitment issues, the Original Poster (OP) realized that they might not be able to share a future together.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for rending my relationship after my girlfriend said no to marriage?"
The OP was happy with his girlfriend and wanted to marry her.
"I (41 Male) have been dating my ex-girlfriend (39 Female) for nearly six years. Our relationship was a good one."
"Four years into our relationship, I informed her family and friends I would propose to her while we were on a family vacation and received their blessing and well wishes."
"The night I proposed, I tried to make the night as memorable and 'perfect' as possible."
The OP was shocked by his girlfriend's response.
"I asked her after a nice dinner, surrounded by the family, and she said, 'No, not yet anyway.'"
"I was quite hurt, honestly, and went back to our room to think things out and not overreact."
"A few hours later, she came to the room and asked me what was wrong and why I left the group. We had a fairly long conversation as to my feelings and her reason for denying my proposal."
"It turns out she didn't think I was ready for the commitment just yet."
"I took her thoughts to heart and informed her I understood her reasoning; however, I was raised in a way where 'you take a no for a no, not a 'maybe next time.'"
"She asked me to just wait a bit longer until we were in a stable place, and I agreed."
The OP then waited for what felt like the right time.
"Eight to ten months later, she started dropping hints that she was ready to be married."
"She would say things like, 'I can't wait for our wedding...' and 'Our wedding is going to be spectacular...' and 'I am so looking forward to my dad walking me down the aisle,' etc."
"A little over a year after my first proposal, I decided to propose again, this time just us together after a wonderful date night."
"When I opened the ring box, she got really quiet and once again said, 'No, not yet... maybe a little more down the line.'"
That was when the OP realized the relationship was over.
"After this second refusal, I fell out of love with her."
"It sounds cold, but it was the truth. When we got back home, I slept in our guest bedroom and spent the rest of the night thinking of our relationship."
"The next morning, she asked why I didn't sleep with her in our bedroom, and I told her the truth and informed her that I think we need to end the relationship."
"I informed her that I take marriage very seriously, and I do not want to be led on and this time, this no... was the final no on the subject."
"I gave her a month to find a new place to live, and since then, I have been receiving texts and emails from her friends and family, informing me I am a heartless b**tard. They keep trying to get me to give her more time, and not be a callous a**hole."
"My friends, on the other hand, have my back on this and understand why I ended the relationship."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some understood why the OP was upset and why he'd want to move on after two rejections.
"NTA. You've been with her for six years. She's turned down your proposal twice. You were right to end the relationship."
"She's not looking for marriage, just a sponsor. You want a wife. You removed yourself from a situation that did not benefit you. Congratulations to your future happiness. Be blessed!" - ShortThunder5145
"What I can't wrap my head around is that she hinted at marriage in between proposals. Rejecting it the first time... okay, sure, maybe you need more time."
"But she knew where OP's head was at, he made that perfectly clear, so hinting at marriage is a signal to him to propose again. Why hint at marriage with someone who you know wants to marry you when you don't want the same?" - thrwy_111822
"NTA. She got a second chance to say 'yes,' which is more than I would have bothered with."
"You did the exact right thing. Tell her friends and family to f**k off." - BlueGreen_1956
"NTA. She was stringing you along and being clearly disrespectful."
"I'm proud of you for standing up for yourself and seeing her for what she is actually doing." - omrmajeed
"No. She said YOU needed more time? Please."
"She's the one with cold feet. Six years is enough time to know. You're not it, and she's been wasting your time."
"You should have broken up after the first proposal."
"She's just unhappy with the consequences of being broken up with." - NYCStoryteller
"It's the old saying, 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'"
"You gave her a second chance, which I can wholeheartedly understand... and to be honest, I think you probably did the right thing."
"The second time, along with all the hints, yeah... that's like a power play. F**k those games all the way to FAFO (F**k Around and Find Out) City." - clusticjim
"My ex and I were engaged for a couple of years, and when I decided to broach the subject of us actually getting married (we'd just bought a house, and I was heavily pregnant and wanted to have the same surname as my baby and partner), he told me no, he said he wasn't ready."
"I only wanted to go to the courthouse and make it official. Nothing fancy, but that could come later if we wanted. It was just really important to me, but he didn't want it. It broke my heart there and then, and I threw out the engagement ring, seeing as it meant nothing to him."
"I stayed for our son, and we went on to have a daughter too. We spoke about marriage plenty of times after that and he assured me he did want to, and that he would propose again, that it was coming. I waited and half expected a proposal at every special event or occasion only to be left disappointed and a little more heartbroken each time."
"It took me far too long to realize it was never going to happen. And then, after the pandemic, and I wasn't trapped in the house anymore, I realized I no longer wanted it anyway and left him. By this point, I was so out of love that it was the easiest thing ever."
"I'm glad you figured it out much sooner than I did, OP. NTA." - baeworth
But others thought that the OP leaving proved his ex-girlfriend's point about commitment.
"I understand where a lot of the NTA responses are coming from, but I'm (alone?) in the YTA camp..."
"One moment, you're asking her to commit the rest of her life to being with you, and the next, you're dumping her."
"If this was about cheating or wanting kids, I could understand, but this was surely something a committed couple should be able to work out together, but no, you bailed. I think she sensed that you're not ready for this and did the right thing." - ColdFix
"NTA for the title, but that's not what they're calling you an ahole for now, is it?"
"YTA for giving her a month to pack up and leave. Most relationships end on a sour note, but to not be an a**hole, you need to end it without vindictive and unfair treatment of your ex."
"It's her home too, and she has rights that in any other circumstances would require longer notice for eviction, so you're an a**hole for leaving her scrambling for housing as punishment." - ToxicEnabler
"YTA. How can you be in a relationship and not know if your partner is ready for marriage or not? Don't you know how to communicate with her?"
"All it would take is a discussion, but no, you prefer to just do it when you think it's right."
"YTA for throwing a tantrum for your mistake." - Outside-Routine8192
"I don't think YTA, but I feel like communication is an issue in the relationship. You said a lot about speaking to everyone else about the proposal but nothing about sense checking with her."
"Also, when she turned you down the second time, you went and slept in a spare room and only the following day you discussed why?"
"It looks like you're both bad at explaining how you feel. Spending the night in a separate room and neither of you discussing the issue is quite childish, and I wonder how long you spent waiting for her to come and find you that night, hoping she'd come and ask. The fact that she didn't makes me wonder how many other times you might have done that."
"Possibly you both need to grow up a bit emotionally and learn how to communicate what you want and how you feel." - Fun-Top-1799
"YTA."
"You only ask if you know the answer is a yes. This means that you have talked about it before in detail. You know her stand on marriage in general, you have discussed what kind of wedding you would like, how many children you want to have, and how you want to handle the relationship in the future."
"Why did you skip the conversation? Especially after you f**ked up the first time. Making a proposal in public is a very bad move as it puts pressure on the other person and they get put on the spot. She handled it great."
"This time you should have directly asked her how she is feeling about getting married. What is her timeline? What does she think is missing from the relationship right now to get married?"
"After you have a clear idea if she really wants to marry in the near future you can surprise her with a proposal. The way you propose is the surprise. Not the proposal itself."
"Stop cuddling your hurt feelings and talk to her! If you are on a completely different path you can still separate, but at least try some clear communication for once." - MillipedePaws
"YTA for informing her family and friends without verifying she'd want that that first go! And you went further doing it with them there? Massive red flag."
"But as to calling it, NTA. There is a point if two people can't agree on timeline, it's done."
"But I think you should have approached this as a conversation, not a proposal. When she dropped what you considered to be hints, you should have actually talked. I think you missed the big blinking sign she wanted a conversation, not a proposal."
"Probably still be a parted ways, but just something to consider for next time." - Interesting-Sky6313
"YTA. You should have communicated better and felt the pulse of the relationship before proposing, especially after the first 'not yet.' Instead of asking if or when she'd be ready for marriage, you went ahead and proposed again, setting yourself up for disappointment."
"It wasn't fair to expect her to be on your timeline without clear communication."
"Ending a long relationship over this without working through her hesitations makes you seem impatient and unwilling to compromise. Maybe that's why she thought you weren't ready." - anthunter7
The subReddit fully understood why one rejection of a marriage proposal would hurt and why two would be devastating, but they were more split over what had led the OP to that point.
Because his girlfriend had been hinting at marriage in between proposals, some thought that she was leading him on and likely would never want to get married, which made them incompatible if it was something the OP really wanted.
But others thought that the marriage hints should have been used as an opportunity to have an important discussion, instead of jumping into planning a second proposal. Perhaps if more conversations had been had, no one would have been hurt for a second time.
Or maybe it just wasn't meant to be.















Woman Breaks Up With 'Clingy' Boyfriend For Making Joke About 'Getting With' Her Sister
As much as we might want to date someone, there's no point in trying to gain the attention and affection of someone who does not want to reciprocate.
Dating someone "similar" to fill that void isn't a good look, either, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Flashy-External1666 had been long-distance dating a guy from her friend group for about a month, even though he'd expressed his attraction to her older sister repeatedly before they started dating.
When her sister entered a new relationship, the Original Poster (OP) was hurt and disgusted that her boyfriend insinuated that he could have been trying to "get with" her sister while he was instead busy dating her.
She asked the sub:
The OP was aware that her boyfriend had his eye on someone close to her before dating her.
"I (19 Female) am with M (21 Male), and we've been together for a month. We were friends before this, for a while."
"For some background, when we were in a friend group, he'd always talk about how my sister (23 Female) was super hot and how he wanted her, but she was in a relationship at the time."
When he found out that her sister had been in-between relationships, he had an unsavory reaction.
"Earlier today, I mentioned to him how my sister started seeing this new guy, and I was super proud of her, because she went through a lot with her last relationship."
"His immediate reply was, 'Dang,' one month too late' with a sad emoji, insinuating that he was one month too late to get with her, because we've been together for a month."
You can see the text message exchange here:
The OP was immediately turned off by the idea of dating him.
"After I got upset and he apologized, he immediately sent me a reel that said, 'When she's already upset about me, but I have a second joke in mind.'"
"I feel like he genuinely doesn't care about me."
"He has also gotten weirdly clingy within the month, like red-flag clingy."
"He keeps trying to say how he loves me, wants to marry me, and wants me to go live with him. But he also always brings up my exes and gets super jealous when HE mentions them."
"I don't know what to do. Should I block him??"
"He's mentioned before that I would need to block him on everything if we ever broke up because he'd never leave me alone (we are currently long-distance)."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some were grossed out by the boyfriend's text message and understood why the OP was upset.
"The fact that he wrote all that out and even added a little emoji at the end and still decided to send it, knowing it would be hurtful for you."
"Seems like he’s texted that to see if he could get away with it. Either way, you don’t say something like that to someone you care about…" - Oven_Traditional
"NOR. Ew! That’s so disrespectful coming from someone who should be thrilled to have you."
"I’m team 'dump him.' If he has a brother, maybe ask for his brother’s number as you end it just to see how he likes it." - Entire-Tonight-1463
"NOR. He's not joking about your sister. Based on what he's said about her in the past, it would have been a wise move to NOT date him at all. PERIOD."
'There's a possibility that he's clingy/close to you for the purpose of indirectly keeping an eye on your sister. Release him and let him go, thereby setting yourself free from foolishness." - AtlJazzy2024
"He’s not for you… Break up with him and block him. You deserve a guy who treasures YOU!" - Muted-Lynx-8745
"He might be your boyfriend, but you're not his girlfriend. In his mind, your sister is." - Save-your-spoons
Others urged the OP to block her boyfriend and move on.
"Girl, it's been a month. Let that loser go." - sleepymelfho
"He kept OP as a backup, while circling her sister's orbit. What has happened to transparency and honesty in relationships? All I read now is obnoxious men doing obnoxious things to their partners."
"OP, he's keeping you around to stay close to your sister. You deserve better... NOR." - ColdHandGee
"NOR. You know that he's not joking about wanting your sister. He told on himself before you even got together, talking about how hot she was. Believe him."
"Break up with him and cut him off immediately. I can't believe you ever agreed to date him in the first place. I'd never want to date someone who had the hots for someone else in my immediate circle, whether that was a sibling or a friend." - Lanky_Mud_8148
"You’ve been dating one month, and that’s one month too long."
"He’s not joking about your sister. He fancies her more than you, and you’re the consolation prize. He will pursue her given the chance."
"Time to dump him." - Special_Wind_6708
"NOR. He can't have your sister, so you're just the next best thing. Him being a clingy weirdo that 'will never leave you alone' is the cherry on top."
"You know what to do. Dump him and block him on everything. If anyone from the friend group asks, just tell them what you told us. And you REALLY should warn your sister; you have receipts." - sdoM-bmuD
"Ditch him. Honestly. What are you waiting for?" - forget_me_not_uwu
"NOR at all. Cut this loser out of all channels of your life."
"I wouldn’t block, though. Just ghost so that he can watch you become happier without him as the ultimate revenge because I’m petty like that, and he clearly deserves it."
"ALSO, if he's as creepy and clingy as he sounds, you can have him muted, so he can see your activity, but you won't have to see his... But you'd have all of his messages as receipts if he ever became threatening or stalkerish for police purposes."
"For more context: My mum started dating my dad (when she was 19, too), who initially tried to go for her older sister (two years older) and got rejected."
"After three years of dating, seven years of engagement, and 20 years of marriage where she put up with an incompetent man-child that wouldn’t do anything for himself and expected her to completely cater to him while he berated her and treated her like s**t..."
"...it ended in him cheating on her with a waitress for over a year and denying it until my mum had literal photographic evidence, to which he had the audacity to respond with the reasoning that she was the reason he was 'driven to cheat' (as if that was even remotely close to the truth and the only option to solve his ‘problems’)."
"Save yourself, girl. This man-child can learn to pine over you and your sister from afar as you both skip into the sunset together, moving on with your lives and into better relationships that fulfill you the way you deserve!" - peachycritter
Some cautioned the OP to also cover her tracks after the breakup, as he sounded worse than "clingy" to them.
"The actual scary part isn't even the sister joke; it's, 'he said he'd never leave me alone if we broke up,' only one month in."
"That line gave me chills, and that alone would have me Googling how to block someone on every platform that exists." - babydoodle91
"Ew. These super clingy guys right out the gate are scary. Please watch your step, and erase your tracks." - Immabirb
"He sounds like a stalker... Drop him now, fast. And block him everywhere." - Admirable_Program720
"NOR, yes, you block him, and you keep him out of your life, and you tell mutual friends that if they try to facilitate contact between you two, you will block them as well. He isn't joking." - JustAsICanBeSoCruel
"I watch way too much crime for this!"
"Girl, block him. Also tell your sister to block him, too; he’s obsessed with her." - MrsRoronoaZoro
"NOR. You're underreacting, honestly."
"He wants your sister, but you're close enough. He's obsessed with her and won't give it up even though he has someone he 'wants to marry.'"
"Also, he's not lying. He probably will stalk you online afterwards; please be careful." - Phoenix-Phire-38
"NOR at all. Your post kept adding on more red flags with each additional sentence. I know you’re young, but he’s toxic, and yes, you will need to block him."
"Breaking up with someone you have strong feelings for is really difficult, so when you leave, you should make sure to lean on friends and family and keep yourself distracted with things you like and find engaging." - query_tech_sec
"The s**t with your sister is nothing compared to the love-bombing and jealousy. This guy is trouble, and scary, and you will have done the right thing when you leave him and maintain the distance between the two of you. NOR." - potatomeeple
After receiving feedback, the OP posted an update, but it seemed to be only the beginning.
"Thank you for making me feel less crazy."
"I blocked him on everything and deactivated my Instagram."
"He DM'ed a girl that I had posted ONCE on my Instagram Stories, asking about me."
"I'm not sure if he's going to keep trying to talk to me, but I hope not."
The subReddit's internal alarm bells were ringing while reading the OP's post, and they hoped that she'd leave her boyfriend in every sense of the word. They already lived long-distance, but she needed to cut him off in every other sense.
Not only was it obvious that he wanted someone else and was with the OP to "make up for it," but his "promises" of not leaving her alone if she ever broke up with him were love-bombing and stalker-like, at best.