When we think of family, we generally think of unconditional love, fun at the holidays, and a group of people who will have our back through the good times and bad.
But sometimes family members will do something, and we'll realize that's not how they are at all, admitted the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
While his parents were visiting for the first time in a while, Redditor Odd-Square-4505 went out to run some errands, only for his teenage son to call him, begging him to come home as quickly as possible.
When he got home and realized his parents had been bullying his son about being gay, the Original Poster (OP) immediately knew what he had to do to protect his son.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for kicking my family out after they made my son cry for being gay?"
The OP recently received a distressing call from his teen son.
"My (37 Male) 15-year-old son is gay. My wife and I are fully supportive of him."
"I thought my family was, too, but now I doubt that."
"They have been staying at my house for a few days since it's been a little while since we've seen each other in person."
"Everything was going great until yesterday. I was out running errands when my son called me crying and asked me to come home."
"I asked what was wrong and he said he would tell me when I got home."
"I rushed home and my son was in his room crying."
The teen revealed something terrible about the OP's parents.
"I was worried and asked him what was wrong."
"He told me that while I was gone, my parents kept telling him that he needed to find a girl to date and how it was wrong for him to be attracted to boys."
"That really p**sed me off. Not only did they basically tell my son not to be gay, but they did it behind my back."
"I confronted my family about it and they admitted it. They said they just want what's best for my son, and how he can find someone like my wife."
The OP knew he had to act quickly.
"I really didn't appreciate that comment, and we argued over it, and I ended up asking them to leave."
"They stormed out and now keep calling me and calling me a jerk."
"I'm conflicted. I really think I was in the right defending my son, but their reactions make me worry that I overreacted."
"Am I the a**hole?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some said the OP was obviously NTA for how he reacted.
"NTA. Your parents intentionally waited until you were out of the house so they could bully your child without you knowing about it. It was a pure power play and they intentionally boundary stomped."
"You should consider no contact. They are not safe people. They are bigots. And not only that, bigots who refuse to respect your parenting." - imothrow
"Your parents, your son's grandparents, went behind your and your wife's back. They told your son basically to stop being himself, and that they could love him any other way."
"No, of course you're NTA. You did what you needed to do by protecting your son."
"He's never going to forget what your parents said to him, also he's never going to forget that you, his dad and mom, stood up for him and protected him."
"Personally, I'd be going no contact with them. What they did is an absolute disgrace."
"NTA." - CanThronestPartner
"NTA, I'd do the exact same for my son. You are a good parent and did the right thing. I understand that this will cause a lot of drama, but your family unit (you, your wife, and your son) is the most important thing, and if your relatives can't respect that, then it's their issue, not yours."
"Great work caring for your family!" - Original-Ad-8098
"Don't be conflicted. You did the right thing, on multiple fronts."
"You protected your son, first and WAY foremost. He's young, he's vulnerable, and he shouldn't be faced with bigotry from his own family any time, let alone where he is in life. Good for you, and that needed to be done!"
"Smaller, way smaller scale but still important: you protected yourself. Your decisions as parents may be right, like this one to support your son, and may sometimes be wrong other times, too."
"But you are his parent. You make those decisions. They undermined everything you'd built and how you built it, and that isn't acceptable. They can have a conversation with you. They do not undermine how and what you do to help them become adults directly with your children."
"Your family was offensive in about every way they could be, in short. You were not."
"NTA." - Intrepid_Potential60
"NTA, sir! I'm so tired of people claiming and thinking they know what's best for SOMEONE ELSE'S CHILD! They had absolutely NO RIGHT to say that garbage to your son and you were completely in the right for taking up for your son and kicking them out!"
"If they cannot be accepting of your son and love your son for who he is, then they don't need to be around him or your family in general. I'd tell them if they do not apologize for their a**-backwards thinking and what they said, you will go no contact with them." - PreferenceOld6364
"NTA. You stood up for your son, you showed him how to be a good parent, and one day if he chooses to be a father, he will remember this example." - Pandas-are-the-worst
Others praised the OP for being a good role model and ally for his teenage son.
"When one family member tells another that they're not good enough to be loved as they are, there is no 'difference of opinion.' Family is supposed to be unconditional and filled with unconditional love. OP's parents put a condition on loving their grandchild. OP did the right thing and there was no missed opportunity here in the least." - Melne11
"NTA."
"Let's get some things straight here: your parents do NOT want what's best for your son, nor do they genuinely care about his well-being. Your parents are massively in the wrong here, you need to recognize that."
"What they did was out of line, inappropriate, ignorant, and hateful. There was no love in their behavior. Your parents are homophobic and have shown you they wish to harm your son to get what they want. The fact they did it behind your back demonstrates they knew what they were doing was not okay."
"Now they are manipulating you into thinking that you protecting your child is wrong. You absolutely did the right thing. You are being a good father, and you need to continue protecting your son from your parents' sick mentality. LGBTQ+ kids are at serious risk of self-harm, severe emotional trauma, and even suicide, due to behaviors like your parents'." - SummerOracle
"Nah, my man, family is not always right. You have a child, and that means you have one job in this world, to protect him."
"My father stood up for me (35 Male and Gay) one time, that's all it took for me to see his strength and courage for me to grow and look past all the others' criticism, vulgar words, and hate."
"15 is an extremely vulnerable age for kids and what you did for your son, I would have wished for myself in that situation. As a gay dude, I thank you for standing up for him." - KevDavRod
"NTA. I also have a gay son. Absolutely not. No f**king way would I allow anyone in my family to speak to my son like this or be homophobic towards him or anyone."
"I'd kick them out, and I'd tell them until they educated themselves on homosexuality and the LGBTQ+ community, they are not welcome in your lives. Then I'd go no contact and block them on all places with your kids, self, and wife."
"My son is my f**king world, and I'll rip every bridge down with my own two hands to build my son's bridge up. Nah. Don't feel guilty for s**t. F**k them." - Fickle-Raspberry7403
"NTA. You protected your son. You do not need 'family' that treats your child badly."
"I'd cut them from my life so fast. Keep them away from your son. Don't let them gaslight and play victim. They are the ones with the nasty rancid homophobia and chose to express it by targeting your son while you were away."
"Dude. They planned to attack your son and knew you wouldn't let them, so they waited. How ugly and predatory. Nah. They'd never see me again." - DirtSunSeeds
"NTA, but you would be if you hadn't told them to leave. I'm a gay man. Similar things have happened to me as well, and it would have meant the world to me if my family had stood up for me. They never did, and it left lasting scars that took years of therapy to heal."
"You're a great parent in my books." - AlwaysStoked4Breakfast
The subReddit sent the OP a resounding NTA for standing up for his son.
As much as his grandparents might want to hide behind "trying to do what's best" for their grandson, that was simply a disguise for otherwise obvious homophobia and, with that, extremely conditional love that would only look like unconditional love again if their grandson walked the line they wanted him to walk.
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Trans Man Considers Breaking Off Engagement After Fiancé Wants Him To Wear A Dress For Wedding
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A lot of people often say, "Believe people when they tell you who they are the first time."
It's one of life's truest (and ignored) sayings.
Believe a person when they are drunk and spew words as well.
Often, a few drinks will help a person let loose on how they really feel.
And then take note.
Redditor dude-e23 wanted to discuss his experience and get some feedback, so naturally, he came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
He asked:
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Hi, I'm sorry for the potentially bad English; it's not my first language anyway."
"I'm a 26-year-old male who recently got engaged to my fiancè, a 28-year-old male."
"For the sake of the story, I'm going to call him Mark."
"I'm a trans man, and this will be relevant to the story."
"Mark and I have been going out for 4 years, and I wasn't on testosterone when we met, and only started recently."
"Mark had never had any issues with my gender identity; he always respected my pronouns and my gender, or so I thought."
"Recently, we were over at his parents' when the topic of the wedding planning came up."
"His mom asked about our wedding outfits, and Mark, who was a bit drunk at this point, said, 'I want to put (my name) in a dress so SHE can be prepared for HER future wifey duty.'"
"I was stunned, and I could see how uncomfortable his mom was."
"I said we were leaving and took Mark home."
"It happened yesterday, and I'm genuinely thinking of breaking it off."
"I've struggled a lot with my identity, and a big part of my family cut me off after my coming out."
"Right now, Mark is at work, and I pretended to be asleep when he left, but now I can't stop overthinking small details like how he used some feminine term in bed or how he always hated when I cut my hair short."
"But maybe he thought it was funny, and he was too drunk to realize what he was saying."
The OP was left to wonder:
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed in on some options to the question, AITA:
Redditors declared that OP was NOT the A-hole.
"Yeah, so it turns out that this isn't the case."
"Please don't marry him."
"He fundamentally doesn't respect who you are."
"And to be honest, this would be a disturbing enough statement if you were a woman."
"You can't tie yourself down to this person." ~ HighRiseCat
"Yes! It would still be icky and questionable for him to say this if OP presented as a CIS female - but the fact that OP is a trans man makes it horrifying. WTF?!" ~ MarionberryOk2874
"NOR. I'm a cisgender, heterosexual married woman, so my experience with dating is very different from yours, but if my fiancé said 'She will be wearing a modest dress to get used to life as a married woman' or 'She needs to wear a low cut dress, so I can see what I'm buying' or anything along those lines, I would have called it off quickly."
"The dismissal of your identity is problematic as hell, but so is the little hint that married life will be radically different and not in a lovely, better way."
"Your wedding attire should reflect you, your identity, your values, comfort, and inspire confidence."
"You deserve that."
"Everyone deserves that." ~ ankareeda
"NOR, have a direct conversation with him about this, and don't get legally entangled with him."
"He shouldn't be thinking this is funny anyway; drunkness is not an excuse here, you're his partner of many years." ~ Fit_Square1322
"If these things that he says are coming out when he's drunk, that probably means he's thinking about these issues of your gender presentation, but he's not telling you what he's thinking."
"He sounds very emotionally immature and not ready for marriage." ~ GreenDirt2
"Bro, drunk words are sober thoughts with the volume turned up."
"Thought it was funny isn’t a defense."
"It’s a confession."
"He told his mom who he actually thinks you are."
"You survived your family cutting you off to live as you."
"You don’t owe anyone a second round of that grief because your fiancé can’t handle pronouns after 4 years." ~ BabydolllVibess
"Oh, my God??!!"
"Dude, that’s crazy. Please dump his as*."
"He clearly doesn’t see you as a man, and if you marry him, you’re resigning yourself to a life of being misgendered, and he’s probably gonna try and detransition you or feminize you (seeing as he wants you to wear a DRESS)."
"Also, I’m a trans dude, and I think it’s important that you hear a fellow trans man say this."
"You need to leave."
"You’re a man, and it’s insane that he’s trying to make you feel like you aren’t."
"The breakup will probably suck, but if you stay with him, it’ll be 100x worse." ~ mothmn_9
"NOR, I’ve learned drunk people usually speak more honestly than they mean to."
"I’d guess his mask slipped off; this is certainly grounds for leaving if he can’t accept who you are as you are." ~ Defiant_Tea_8722
"You’re not overreacting."
"I don’t think he actually respects you and who you are as a person."
"He called you feminine things all throughout your relationship."
"Maybe he never accepted you, and I’m sorry."
"I know that's a lot, but I know you will find someone who actually respects you and cares for you truly." ~ Due_Classic_4090
"Some people would tell you that people say things they don’t mean when they’re drunk. I think that’s BS."
"In my experience, it just removes their filter, and everything they say has an underlying truth to it."
"Knowing your gender identity and what you prefer, his words seem very disrespectful towards you and inconsiderate of your feelings, and being drunk isn’t a good enough excuse."
"If you have doubts, don’t just brush them off; trust your gut." ~ Kitchen_Process_8351
"NOR."
"I’m a cis woman, but my first serious relationship was with a trans man."
"Frankly, he was abusive, and I don’t even like or respect him, but still I would NEVER misgender him, because I sincerely understand that he’s a man."
"And I’m not an a**hole."
"Your partner is an a**hole." ~ tigalicious
"NOR. That’s a major breach of trust."
"Your relationship has gone on long enough for him to know that sh*t isn’t cool and is not a matter to joke over, even if he’s drunk (unless he has a drinking problem, in which case he needs to address that before marriage and work to make amends)." ~ Moist_Drippings
"NOR. It sounds like he might be counting on your gender identity to be 'just a phase' and that after the marriage, he’ll expect you to embody the 'wifely' role fully."
"He isn’t taking you seriously as a man, and it doesn’t sound like he’s actually on board for a homosexual marriage."
"Get out of there!" ~ Amwfgoddess
"NOR. My biggest concern is the potential for abuse - wifey duty?"
"Not even a conservative man says something like that."
"It's a pure trash statement."
"My first marriage was to an addict... 'DRUNKEN WORDS ARE SOBER THOUGHTS!'"
"😔 I'm so sorry. 🫂" ~ pashinates
OP returned with an UPDATE:
"I dont know if this is how you update, but anyway..."
"Mark and I are done."
"He came home from work an hour and a half ago, and I made him dinner so we could eat and talk."
"I told him what he said deeply hurt me, that I felt like he didn't respect me and saw me as a woman."
"He said that until recently he always saw me as a man, even though I'm the more feminine side (whatever that means), but since I've started taking testosterone, he realized he was less attracted to me and started to resent me."
"Which is f**king weird because my appearance didn't even change that much, and that he needed to take the 'lead' of the relationship again."
"By then, I had heard enough."
"I made it clear we were done and that this type of behavior was not okay and that it'll never be okay."
"That he had to go to therapy and work on his insecurities, but that I couldn't stay with him."
"At this point, he was apologizing and almost pleading with me to stay, but I really did not want to stay, so I took all my essentials and called my friend."
"I'm currently waiting for her to pick me up."
"I'm so confused about how someone I loved so much could betray me like that."
"I'll ask my friend and her husband if they can go back to take my other stuff later on because I really don't want to see him."
"I'm safe, my friend set me up in the guest bedroom, and I'm so grateful I have her."
"Mark and his family have been blowing up my phone."
"His mom, bless her heart, has only asked how I was and said that no matter what, she'll always see me as her son and that she's sorry about Mark's behavior, but his dad and brother have been sending me very insulting texts that included slurs."
"Mark threatened to 'go get me,' but luckily, he doesn't know where my friend lives."
"Honestly, I don't even recognize the man I was with."
"I'm thinking about moving to another city where I could live with my cousin until I'm back on my feet, but that's a whole other story."
"I'm planning to keep in contact with Mark's mom, and I'll be meeting up with her on Thursday."
"Thank you so much for opening my eyes and for making me realize Mark's behavior was not normal."
This is such a heartbreaking story.
So sorry you had to go through this, OP.
Reddit is loudly 1000% with you.
It's wonderful that you have love and support.
Stay strong.