It's understandable that the grieving process is messy and complicated, and every person is going to navigate that journey differently.
The triggers of grief and what suddenly might feel important and non-negotiable can come on unexpectedly, too, cautioned the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor ThrowRA19012's mother-in-law passed away suddenly from respiratory failure, and her family-in-law was struggling with the loss, especially her husband.
While she understood that her family-in-law was going through it, the Original Poster (OP) was shocked when her husband demanded that they name their future daughter entirely after his mother, and his family fully backed his demands up.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for refusing to name my daughter after my husband's mother?"
The OP and her husband peacefully chose their first baby's name together.
"My husband and I found out we are having a girl and we're both very excited about it."
"I started going through some baby girl names and picked out a few I liked to run by him. I'm open to compromise, so I'm willing to take feedback and negotiate."
"With our first child, I picked the first name and he picked the middle, and it worked out great."
"My husband and I both agreed to our first child's name. I suggested the name and he agreed. I didn't choose it and tell him, 'Too bad.' He let me give suggestions because he wasn't sure what he liked."
"He also works 10-hour days and doesn't have time to sit at home looking at baby names. We both agreed to our first child's name."
But the name for their second child was caught in a whirlwind of grief.
"My husband's mother passed away within the last couple of years and I know he had a very hard time coping with it. He was very close with his mother and he was absolutely devastated by her loss."
"When we found out we were having a girl, my husband immediately wanted to name her after his mother."
"I suggested maybe just using her middle name as our daughter's middle name, but he wanted to incorporate her full name. It would be the equivalent of his mother being named 'Christina Marie' and naming our daughter 'Christine Marie.'"
"I even suggested hyphenating her name as 'Christine-Marie' and using that as a middle name, allowing us to choose an original first name, and he turned that down, as well."
The OP felt like her husband refused to listen to her.
"I tried to negotiate with him, but he would not budge. He said that's the name he wants for our daughter and he would not consider anything else."
"To be quite honest, I don't even like the name and wouldn't have considered it anyway."
"I said that's not fair because we have to agree on the name and I don't want her being an extension of your mother. She has her own identity and needs to have a name that's unique to her."
"We got into an argument about it recently and I said I refuse to name our daughter almost identical to someone else."
"He was furious and told me to figure out the name on my own and he wanted nothing to do with the naming process. He said I'm disrespecting his mother and he won't tolerate it."
"This is supposed to be a happy and exciting time in our lives, but I've cried for days because of this."
The OP empathized with her husband but felt deeply pressured.
"His family is siding with him and thinks I'm being an a**hole. I might be an a**hole because I could've been more empathetic towards him, but he's not listening to me at all."
"He is still mourning his mother and I feel incredibly sad for him. He was very depressed for a long time and I feel for him. I am willing to include her name in our daughter's name, but he wants to do the full name in there, just a slightly different version."
"I know the name means a lot to him but I don't think it's fair to me. I feel like I have no say in this."
"Forcing my daughter to live forever in her grandmother's shadow is my main concern. I knew his mother very well and I really liked her. She died suddenly from respiratory failure. It was like she was here one day and gone the next."
"I don't think my husband has fully processed the death and he's still grieving the loss. We miss her so much. Whenever I think of her name or hear someone else with the name, it brings me back to the trauma of watching her die in a hospital bed and the doctors saying there's 'nothing else they can do' because machines are keeping her alive."
"I don't want that to be what people think of when they look at my daughter."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset and to want to discuss this.
"The issue is just as you stated: your husband is pulling the 'but it's my mom's name, and that's final' card and not listening to anything you have to say in the matter as the other parent."
"My husband lost his father tragically as a child. Father's name was Joseph Matthew so we named our son Matthew Joseph (not his real name). In this way, we honored his father but our son has a unique name."
"Another custom is to take the first letter of the deceased person's name and pick another name that starts with the same letter."
"Or, what I think is lovely would be the mother's first name as your daughter's middle name. It doesn't have to be her full name. My oldest daughter's middle name was the feminine version of my father's name, who died before any of my kids were born."
"NTA." - BayAreaPupMom
"NTA. I think you offered a great compromise with the mother's name being a middle name for your daughter."
"'You're being disrespectful to my mother, and I won't tolerate it.'"
"No, you offered a compromise. That shows you're being respectful and willing to work with him. He seems to not be willing to compromise with you or respect you." - DragonLadiesFire
"He's being disrespectful to their unborn child AND to his wife, putting expectations and another identity and unlimited grief on an unborn child. And speaking from experience, a lifetime of his wife hearing how similar her daughter is to her late mother-in-law, or worse, how much she's falling short of her. NTA." - SweetTooth
"NTA."
"This is hard as your husband sounds like he's still in full mourning for his mother and is unlikely to be as rational as he should at present."
"I suggest you don't discuss this immediately as he may calm down. Maybe make a list of names you like that incorporate MiL name as potential compromise. As you don't mention the name it's hard to see if it could be shortened etc for general use which you may like better. I think CM was used as an example, if not can use use Christa?"
"Both of you need to agree - it's not one party's prerogative though having carried the baby and being the one giving birth, its normal to feel your views are slightly ahead of his on this one."
"How do you usually resolve differences? This is a good chance to work out how you deal with conflict as a couple. Unless baby is coming this week this situation doesn't need to be solved immediately."
"Ways that won't help conflict resolution are one party giving in, someone sulking or giving the silent treatment, yelling until they get their way." - au5000
Others said that the mother of the child had every right to have a say in the naming process.
"For baby names, it's two yes's for a go and one no for a veto."
"You gotta tell him that you have an equal voice."
"Since you've already done that, you have to realize for now that it's not working and he isn't thinking logically or rationally."
"She's pregnant and has no need to argue, repeatedly, with someone who is still grieving, over something like this. Op should give her daughter a preferred first name and put his mother's name as a middle name if she wants to compromise and stop talking about it altogether. Get your husband into grief counseling, and have a healthy pregnancy. NTA." - Mandiezie1
"My MIL died a month before I got pregnant with our daughter. There was a lot of talk that we should name her after MIL."
"I really disliked her name and luckily husband did not insist, but there was no way I would have saddled my daughter with that name." - maddjaxmaddly
"We only had one baby. We were sure on the first name but he wanted the middle after his grandmother. I gave in but in the end it didn't really matter, it wasn't a happy ending. The thing that caught me was your crying for days, I can't stress this enough but stress is not good for your baby or your pregnancy." - Significant_Rule2400
"My partner and I had a discussion about potential kids. Our rules are, both of us have to like the name. If more than one person in either of our families has the name, it's off the table. No A male names or M female names."
"The reason for the last one is that my partner's parents both have names starting with A, then gave him a name starting with A. Post is a problem when everyone has the same initials. But one miss, one mr, is okay. At least we can differentiate through titles."
"Also, we both come from Greek families. When the same names get used over and over, it becomes painful to figure out who's being called. I'm one of 34 in my family with the same first name. It gets frustrating after a while."
"But the main rule, is if you're naming something be it a pet or a child, both people should have an equal say. If one person isn't okay with the name, another name should be picked." - LadyBladeWarAngel
"My husband is the fifth generation Todd Chester (not his actual name). They all have unique middle names, but they are all Todd Chester and all go by Todd."
"Family gatherings with him, his dad, and his grandfather were a nightmare. I have always hated it. Fortunately, we had three girls so it wasn't ever an issue."
"Aaaaaaaand then when I was 40, we found out we were pregnant with our first (and only) son. My husband informed me that the baby would be named Todd Chester and called Todd."
"I informed him that unless he was carrying him for the rest of the pregnancy, birthing him, and nursing him, he was mistaken. I was open to Todd Chester, but I was not open to the baby going by Todd. He could go by his middle name. The argument was HEATED."
"I finally said, 'I want you to explain to me why I have been an equal partner in this marriage. I have given you three beautiful children. I have been an equal partner in raising them. I grieved the loss of our last pregnancy right beside you. I was the one who underwent all the fertility treatments and the childbirths and will be the one taking on all the physical risks to have this baby. And after ALL OF THAT, you don't want me to have any say in OUR SON's name. Why is that okay?'"
"He was very quiet and said he needed time to calm down and we would discuss it again in a few weeks. Two weeks later, he came and said he had thought about it and he understood my position and was willing to compromise. He wanted us to come up with three potential middle names together. He wanted to choose the final middle name that he would go by."
"I said that was fine with me. So that's what we did."
"I realize it's not the same because my husband wasn't grieving his father. But he was grieving for his grandfather, and he had planned to name his son Todd his entire life. So it was not a small thing to him at all."
"But I feel very strongly that if we are expected to give birth to a child and then be excluded from the naming entirely, then we are being treated like incubators for a man's property. And I won't be treated like that EVER."
"You're NTA. Your husband is allowed to grieve. He isn't allowed to treat you poorly in the process." - Todd_and_Margo
After receiving feedback, the OP shared a brief update.
"I'm letting this cool down until I'm closer to giving birth and we will decide. I refuse to argue with him my whole pregnancy. It sucks, but there's nothing I can do now. Thank you everyone for your input."
While the subReddit could totally empathize with what the OP's family-in-law was going through, they could not warn the OP enough against putting the family's history of grief and memories of the OP's late mother-in-law onto her daughter. Her daughter deserved to be her own person, and while the late mother's memory deserved to be maintained, this might not be the way to do it.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp