Let's be honest: Not everyone is meant to be a parent.
Not everyone is meant to date a parent, either.
But an unusual number of people date parents with children from previous relationships and have a "shocked Pikachu face" over their partner continuing to be a parent while participating in their new romantic relationship, side-eyed the members of the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor cramingMY_style was dating a woman he really cared about who had just moved in with him and seemed to have a good relationship with his adult daughter.
But when his daughter got pregnant and wanted to move in with him, the Original Poster (OP) was shocked by how his girlfriend pushed back against the idea of him caring for his daughter.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for letting my pregnant daughter move in wtih me, even though my girlfriend doesn't want her to?"
The OP was very close to his adult daughter, Maddy.
"I (40 Male) have an 18-year-old daughter, Maddy, with my ex-wife. My ex-wife and I divorced when Maddy was seven. I have her three weekends each month."
"Her mom moved to a suburb almost an hour outside the city to be closer to her family and for a better school. My work was in the city, and after a while, Maddy got sick of all the driving and asked if we could go to a different schedule."
"We talked most days on the phone, and I have been very involved in her life. She's a great student, graduated with over a 4.0, has a lot of friends, and a (what I thought!!) very nice boyfriend."
"She has no idea what she wants to do with her life, and already decided to defer her scholarship a year to take classes at the community college, work, and reflect on what she'll do next."
The OP also loved his girlfriend, Vera, and thought she had a good relationship with Maddy.
"I also have a girlfriend, Vera (37 Female), and she gets along with Maddy great."
"We've been together about two years, and she just moved into my house a few months ago. Her old roommate got married, and she couldn't afford rent alone. We'd been together for almost two years already anyway, and I was considering proposing to her, so it seemed like a good idea for her to move in when she couldn't find another place that she could afford.
"She pays the electric and water bills, but my house is paid off, so I just pay taxes, insurance, and the other utilities."
"It's been great. I didn't really date much the past few years between Maddy and work, so it's nice having someone always around."
"Vera doesn't want kids of her own, and I don't want any more, so it's been great."
When Maddy needed help, the OP was happy to be there for her.
"Now, Maddy is pregnant, and her mom has kicked her out. Her boyfriend has another year left of nursing school and lives in a college apartment with roommates."
"She is, of course, staying here for now and found out late about the pregnancy; she's due in January. She and her boyfriend went over the options and decided to keep the baby."
"She told me very meekly and asked if she could stay."
"I told her, of course, she knows this is disappointing, but she'll never stop being my baby, and if this is what's going to happen, I'm here to support her within reason. As in, I'm fine babysitting if she has work or class, and she will keep working and going to school, but I'm not babysitting for her to party or hang out with friends."
"If the boyfriend bails, which I was as kind as I could be, but told her happens even with the nicest boys, she would need to file for child support."
"And I would give her grace before and after birth, but when she's recovered, she will go back to doing chores on top of baby ones."
"I told her and the boyfriend to sleep on it, and they did and came back with actual thoughtful responses, and even a budget and budget goal that I found impressive. So, the tiny bedroom next to Maddy's that is currently home to a treadmill I never use is going to be a nursery."
But when Maddy needed help, Vera showed her true colors.
"I've kept Vera in the loop during all of this. Vera and I discussed all of this before I talked to the kids. In depth. I made her VERY aware that the three of them could end up living here for a few years."
"She was supportive. I kept her in the loop."
"But when Maddy LIVING here became the plan, she gave me an ultimatum and told me to kick my daughter out because she's an adult."
"I told her I wouldn't do that. She got upset and said if she wanted to raise a baby, she'd have one of her own. She said she didn't sign up for this and is not okay with it, and demanded I rescind the offer, that Maddy is 18 and needs to figure it out on her own if she wants to keep the baby."
"I told her I wouldn't do that, she'll always be my daughter and needs help."
"She threatened to move out if I didn't tell Maddy to get out, and then got mad that I told her I understood."
"Now she's avoiding both of us (but still staying here) or being snippy. I don't know what she expects me to do, but it's making the entire house anxious."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some were bitter toward the OP's ex-girlfriend and her views of his daughter.
"OP already said he chose his daughter over his girlfriend. But the girlfriend, who was supposedly ready to leave, has nowhere to go and can't afford to live independently, so she's just angry her ultimatum didn't work while still living with OP." - aafm1995
"Funny how that works. The girlfriend thinks OP's pregnant 18-year-old must be independent and out of the house, while she, 37 and without any children, should be given shelter and food on the table." - barrocaspaula
"She only pays certain utilities, so if she needed to find her own place, she should have money saved up from not having to pay all the bills, but something tells me she didn't save a penny. NTA." - moongoddessy
"OP needs to write up a formal eviction notice asap for the ex-girlfriend. Vera said she'd break it off and move out if he didn't kick out his only child. OP owns the home. Time to give her 60 days to go." - whybother_incertname
"There is no cure for people with this level of selfishness. It's a mental illness. OP needs to get this leech out of his home and away from his family." - dreams_to_sing
Others agreed and said it was best for the girlfriend to move on.
"Time to tell your girlfriend that she can do what's best for her, but your daughter will probably be here for three or four years. Let her know you want her to stay, but your life will change." - mustang19671967
"NTA. She DID sign up for it when she started dating a man who has a child. Even if the child is of age, she is still his child. That child comes with responsibilities and usually sacrifices." - Interesting-Ad-3756
"She needs to move out. She's right, she didn't sign up for this. You also didn't sign up for this, but the baby's on its way, and you have to choose your path."
"Sounds like you've chosen, and your choice is incompatible with what your girlfriend is willing to accept. That's completely fair."
"But she needs to come to terms with the fact that you've arrived at a fork in your personal path that she's not on board with, so it's time to part ways." - Constant_Host_3212
"She doesn't have to be happy about it. You just functionally told her that you and she are incompatible and need to break up right after she made the commitment to move in with you. No one would be happy about that." - thirdtryisthecharm
"Dude, she showed her a very mean side of her, don't ignore that! You wrote, 'She said she didn't sign up for this and is not okay with it, and demanded I rescind the offer, that Maddy is 18 and needs to figure it out on her own if she wants to keep the baby.'"
"That's just vile, sorry not sorry. And you know it."
"Also, Vera is 37 years old and needs to figure it out on her own if she wants exclusive say in who gets to stay in the household. She can find and pay for her own place if she wants to insist on staying childfree."
"If the 18-year-old without a finished education and without a proper job is 'old enough' to get tossed into the street and forced to fend for herself, so can Vera."
"I wouldn't want to keep dating someone who would kick my 18-year-old pregnant daughter out." - IchPutzHierNurMkay
After receiving feedback, the OP shared an update in a second post.
"My last post got a little overwhelming. I'm still glad I did it. Reading the comments, I just got to the point I was like… what am I doing?"
"I asked Vera to talk. She actually did kind of apologize, said she was just stressed because she's expected Maddy to either keep the same custody schedule or maybe a bit more, but not full-time, and certainly not with a baby."
"And then she didn't think I'd actually let her live here with the baby. She said she'd be able to work with a compromise of Maddy and the boyfriend, Doug, getting their own place when he started working full-time, and they could promise to never ask her for help."
"I guess she thought as long as she had an end in sight, she would be able to handle it."
"I told her I understood, but her behavior was out of line, and I can't see us working out after this. She was upset and seemed shocked and got pretty mad."
"I told her she was welcome to stay in the basement (finished, walk out, with a kitchenette) for a month while she found a new place, and I'd pay her back for the bills she'd paid (790, so I rounded up to a grand)."
"She wasn't happy at any of this and was freaking out, so I called and asked Maddy if she could stay with Doug for the night. I offered to give Vera some space, and she told me to f**k off. I was working from home that day, so I was around but not in her way at all while she moved her things downstairs."
"She had work that night and let me know the next morning she'd be moving to her friend's house. I offered help, but again, she said no and left her key on the counter. I changed the security code, but told her if she left anything there, just to let me know, and I'd let her in to come and get it."
"So I thought there'd be no drama. I was actually obviously sad but felt better about the whole thing."
It seemed to the OP that Vera had left a terrible parting gift.
"We can't prove anything, but Maddy's carnivore plants started rapidly dying the last few days, and she said a bunch of her concentrated fertilizer was gone. We all know not to touch them or water them, as in she had me install rain barrels because they can't have tap water."
"She's devastated and hasn't said it directly, but I think we both think Vera did something to them. I've asked her if she wants me to do anything about it, and she's said no. And at one point, Vera sent Maddy a nasty text saying she's the reason I'm alone, and she hopes she's happy. I told her to block her."
"I don't know if she feels guilty or like she deserves it. She doesn't even want me to replace them and said she'll just try to salvage some of them."
"So, we're not great right now. I'm gonna stay single for a while, obviously."
"But there's some good news. I have a female friend, whom Maddy has known forever, and has had kids, and she took her out to lunch. My issue was that Maddy thought she could power through and take courses in the spring with a newborn. She wouldn't listen to me and told me she'd make it work."
"My friend was able to convince her that one semester wasn't going to ruin her life, so that is a positive."
"And I talked with Doug and his parents. They are like me, not thrilled but going to be supportive and excited for a grandbaby. They live over an hour away, though, so I told them I had a spare room they could use when they visit."
"Doug works part-time while he's in school, and I told him to work this semester to make his education and finishing his degree his number one priority next semester, no matter what."
"I am willing to support them both financially (and with the baby more than I normally would) next semester because I know the best way to ensure my grandbaby has a good life is by making sure their dad has his degree and a good job. He seemed to understand and was thankful, maybe he's not as much of a ding dong as I thought he was."
Fellow Redditors applauded the OP for how he handled the situation.
"You're a great example to Doug in how to father a child." - Soggy_Detective_4737
"You are doing a wonderful thing for your daughter and her boyfriend. It's ideal to do things in a certain order, but it doesn't always work out that way. Op giving them a place to stay and supporting them and their baby so they can finish school is amazing. OP is my hero dad for today." - Frequent_Couple5498
"Good riddance to Vera. As far as the plants go, I'd try transplanting them and removing as much soil as possible from the roots first." - Ok_Play2364
"Vera probably thought she had it made living in OP's house and just paying the electric and water bills. OP is very reasonable and generous, paying his ex back $1000 instead of $790, and it's totally understandable that his daughter comes first."
"OP has a good plan in mind, and thank goodness Maddie has him." - curious-by-moon
"You're a great dad, OP, and I hope your daughter and her partner really make the most out of the opportunity you've given them."
"I hope other parents take note that you don't have to be thrilled with everything your kid does and can be disappointed, but it doesn't mean you leave them hanging."
"Your ex sounded like an a**. You're a parent and always will be." - Fire_or_water_kai
"Yay! He's a great dad and a great future Pop Pop." - Creative-Sun6739
Though this may not have been the future the OP envisioned for his daughter, it seemed that he, his daughter, and her boyfriend would be making the best of it in the coming months and years.
Hopefully, Vera would make a better life for herself and learn something from this, and let's be honest, not take her anger out on anyone else's plants.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp