Fashion is arguably one of the most versatile ways for people to express themselves.
There are, however, certain events and places where attendees are expected to adhere to social norms and expectations out of respect for those being honored despite the temporary hindrance it may place on their style.
Such events include weddings and funerals.
A person on Reddit sought feedback from "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit after kicking their sister out of their dad's funeral because she refused to change out of her "emo outfit."
Redditor FlightComfortable731 asked:
"AITA for kicking out my sister for her emo outfit and telling her she can go to the funeral when she wears respectable clothes?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Last weekend was my dads funeral. I planned it since my mom has been a reck."
"My mom and my sister are not close. I am also not close to her and I think she is a d*ck. So I am probably bias."
"My sister dresses in the emo style."
"So skulls, collars, lots of blacks and reds, heavy makeup and so on."
"I truly don't care most of the time, she can wear what she wants."
"This is a issue at important events, my wedding she did this even after she agreed to tone it down."
"She is always going full out with her outfits. I don't understand why she won't ever tone it down."
"For the funeral she came in wearing a short skirt, band teashirt, heavy makeup, fishnets and jewelry (collar thing and skulls)."
"I was very upset that she couldnt dress appropriately for a funeral and I told her to leave."
"She got p*ssed and told her go home and put on a respectable outfit."
"She stayed until my mom told her to get the f**k out since she can't dress appropriately."
"She left and didn't come back."
"A lot of people who say her outfit agree she was out of line for a funeral."
"My sister has been calling me a jerk, and some people are saying I went to far."
Redditors weighed in on the situation by declaring:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
Most Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole.
"NTA, a miniskirt and fishnets is not even in the realm of appropriate for a funeral."
"It would be much different if she'd worn a black dress with some jewelry in her style."
"But at 26, she should know that this was tone deaf at best and attention seeking at worst."
"Though the added context that she didn't even bother coming to see your father on his deathbed is what pushed this into you not being the a**hole for me."
"Yes, everybody grieves different. But you weren't dictating her grief process the way a lot of these comments seem to believe, just trying to make the funeral a respectful atmosphere for the sake of your mother." - jayphrax
"NTA."
"This is one of those situations where there's a divide based on demographics, most likely age."
"There are times, places, and standards where different clothes are expected or required."
"Funerals, weddings, work, job interviews, etc."
"You didn't want her to not be who she is or anything like that. You wanted her to be REASONABLE."
"It is perfectly possible to be goth/emo/extra and still within range for a funeral."
"Hell, it would have been EASY for her to do it. It's literally just all black."
"She KNEW she was expected to dress formally and chose to ignore that."
"My Chemical Romance's Helena MV is a good example of that. What she was wearing sounds closer to club wear."
"You can dress/do what you want, but if you choose to step outside what a known/stated standard is, you aren't free from consequences, whether that's not getting a job or irritation/judgment from family."
"And, saying that it doesn't affect you also isn't true."
"Because her outfit was LOUD."
"It was, likely intentionally, meant to attract attention. Which means that instead of focusing on speeches or on your dad, people were likely glancing at her or coming up to you and asking about her as you are the host/older sibling."
"You were already dealing with a lot, so adding the fact that she couldn't do this ONE THING on this ONE DAY to make your life just a teeny bit easier was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for you and your mom." - Ryuugan80
"NTA and I really don't understand everyone saying Y T A."
"Look, there are societal contracts/requirements and we all just have to suck it up sometimes, even if we don't agree/like them."
"You don't get to just circumvent those societal requirements/contracts and expect to be part of society."
"OP said in their comments that dad would not have been onboard with sister dressing as she did at the funeral."
"That's disrespectful to dad."
"Mom wasn't ok with it since she kicked sister out."
"Disrespectful to the widow."
"It's also disrespectful to everyone else who decided to participate, when sister decided to ignore the social contract."
"Did everyone want to dress up, and go sit in a church? Probably not."
"But they didn't anyhow, because that's what society has decided is the right thing as a whole." - Hippopotasaurus-Rex
"I'm gonna go with NTA."
"I dressed emo for 20 years of my life(I'm 35 now) but I wouldn't go to a funeral in fishnets or dress my baby in black with skulls."
"Your sister is acting like a child."
"There's a time and a place to follow a silent protocol, specially if it's another person's event."
"She's not a child unable to understand social consensus, she's acting like a 13 year old saying 'That will show them.'" - AutumnKoo
"NTA."
"You are getting eaten alive in this post, but a short skirt and fishnets are not appropriate funeral attire."
"It is just not, not unless there is some specific connection/wish of the deceased (which is clearly not the case here)."
"You didn't immediately ban her, you asked her to change and then it escalated." - Agitated_Pin2169
"NTA."
"My friend, I am so sorry for your loss."
"Do not under any circumstance listen to the people telling you that you're wrong."
"I, like your sister, am 26."
"My personal style is not somber black. I tend toward floral patterns and lots of colors."
"When I'm at work I dress like a professional. When I'm at home I'm in yoga pants and a t shirt."
"I can dress up or down depending on the circumstance."
"At a funeral, I'm in my black blazer and black slacks and a black blouse because it's not about me."
"If she can understand and conform to a dress code at work or for events, AND SHE CAN, she can wear appropriate clothes to a funeral."
"She got the same notice of the dress code everyone else did."
"It was her choice not to stick to it and the consequences are on her head."
"Once again, I'm so sorry for your loss."
"There's nothing I or anyone else can say to make this less difficult, and I'm so sorry your sister chose to make this time more difficult."
"If you need probate services or any kind of help getting things sorted out and don't know where to look, start with NAELA, the national association of elder law attorneys, and look for one in your area."
"If nothing else, whoever you call will be able to point you in the direction of someone who can help." - BrightFirelyt
"NTA."
"There is a time and a place where some this are appropriate."
"Well we have gone beyond the Victorian era and the demands that people must wear mourning attire for a certain period, there is still an expectation of respect and it doesn't sound like your sister had that in her outfit."
"Funerals are for those left behind and it very much seems like your mom and you needed her to not be a center of attention look at my crazy outfit type for one day." - FoggyDaze415
"NTA."
"Dressing how you want does not mean dressing how you want, whenever."
"You can't show up in court in jeans and a hoodie. You can't go to a funeral in a miniskirt."
"That said, I do think you went too far."
"It was your sister's father's funeral, too. That's a big deal for her."
"And she obviously would not have been able to go home and change at that point - you were just kicking her out."
"While she was wildly disrespectful and you had every right to do what you did, I think you should have let her stay at that point."
"The damage was done - better to avoid a bigger scene and let her at least have a chance to say goodbye."
"You know your sister, and knew that she would likely do this."
"It sounds like you entirely failed to impress upon her the seriousness with which you would take the dress code."
"It also sounds like you could have done a lot more to proactively manage her process of getting ready - down to taking her shopping and getting dressed together."
"(Edit: Is that fair to you? No. But I think you knew that she would not own an appropriate black dress in the first place, unless you took her to buy it.)"
"Knowing what you say you knew about her tendencies, and then not taking any proactive steps to control her, you basically set her up to be kicked out."
"I'm not sure how you could have expected this to turn out differently based on your actions." - okayNowThrowItAway
While a few Redditors did feel OP went too far by kicking the sister out of her father's funeral, most agreed the outfit was disrespectful and likely intentionally so.
It doesn't sound like these two will see eye to eye anytime soon, but it is unfortunate they weren't both able to pay their last respects at the funeral.
Hopefully they are able to find a way to process what transpired while also navigating their grief.















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.