Everyone needs help from time to time, sometimes with money or with borrowed items.
But everything should be borrowed with the other person's consent, agreed the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITA) subReddit.
Redditor WallabyOverall3366 looked on as their family borrowed a skid loader from their brother-in-law, only to break it while using it improperly.
When the family didn't pay for a replacement, the Original Poster (OP) watched while the repercussions unfolded years later.
They asked the sub:
"AITA for telling my BIL to get over himself and to quit holding a 10-year-old grudge?"
The OP's family insisted on borrowing their brother-in-law's skid loader.
"My BIL (Brother-in-Law), married to my sister, is a general contractor. About 10 years ago, my dad and brother were building a deck at my parent's home."
"They asked my BIL if they could borrow his skid loader, but he said no. They prepared the ground as best they could without the skid loader but got to the point they couldn't go on without it."
"They went to my sis's house to ask again but found out BIL went out of town. They talked my sis into letting them borrow it so she took them down to his construction lot and they hooked it up to dad's truck."
Borrowing it did not go as smoothly as the family expected.
"This next part, I'm not sure of since I don't know much about towing, but from what I was told, dad's truck wasn't big enough or powerful enough to tow the skid loader on the dump trailer, so he lost control and wrecked."
"The truck, trailer, and skid loader were totaled. The insurance was barely enough to cover the medical costs and the truck. There was none left over to cover BIL's stuff."
"When he got back to town, he exploded. He threatened to sue, and things just went downhill from there."
"My parents are not rich, and he wouldn't have gotten anything so in the end, my sis talked him into letting it go."
"However, from that day on he wouldn't have anything to do with our family. He doesn't come for birthdays, holidays, or anything at all."
The family still approached the brother-in-law for the next big event.
"Next month is our parent's 50th anniversary, and we're planning a big family gathering to celebrate. We're also chipping in to send our parents on a cruise to Mexico because they've never been out of the country."
"I spoke to sis about it the other day, and she said she's coming with the kids, but BIL is not coming."
"I was fine with that, but when we were discussing their portion of the cruise money, I heard him yelling in the background to deduct their portion from the cost of the skid loader and dump trailer."
"That p**sed me if so after my call with sis, I called BIL and told him to get over himself. I told Dad and bro made a mistake, but that was 10 years ago and he needs to let it go."
"He said he'll let out go when they give him the money he lost."
"I told him he's an a** for holding on to a grudge and putting money in the way of a family relationship."
The OP's sister stood up for her husband.
"Sis called me a few minutes ago and said they're not coming and that I was out of line. We argued for a bit, and that's where it stands."
"I don't think I'm wrong for telling him to let go of the past, but they're not coming to the anniversary party so now I'm not sure."
"AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some were infuriated by the OP's family and how they handled the situation.
"The OP only cares now because they're trying to get money out of BIL. OP you and your family are AH. YTA." - thenexttimebandit
"In my experience, when people tell you to 'get over it,' that's a pretty good indicator that they were in the wrong, but don't think there should be any consequences and are angry that you actually want to hold them accountable. OP and the rest of her family are definitely AHs." - Business_Remote9440
"These are people for whom 'Family first!' is a one-way transaction. If I'd f**ked over a family member through my own actions like this, you can bet I'd be eating bologna sandwiches and store-brand cereal until I could make it right." - MattJFarrell
"They nicely washed their hands off their own misdeed and haven't bothered paying a single cent back in 10 years. I understand they are poor, but that doesn't diminish a sense of responsibility."
"Instead of pitching in for a bloody cruise, they should all be pitching in to pay the BIL back and try to fix the relationship that they broke."
"YTA, and so are OP's father and brother and anyone else who enables their attitude." - Greedy_Information96
"I think the sis somewhat learned her lesson since she decided to side with her husband this time instead of her family."
"OP, YTA. And your father and your brother."
"You don't mess with someone else's stuff that costs thousands of dollars AND his livelihood that brings food, shelter, and necessities to YOUR SISTER AND HER FAMILY. And then have the audacity to ASK FOR MORE MONEY for a non-necessity? Just imagine it happened to you instead of your BIL, I wonder how you would feel."
"OMG. OP YTA YTA YTA YTA YTA YTA YTA. MASSIVELY YTA."
"You yourself said YOUR DAD AND BROTHER MADE A MISTAKE. What in the heck did they do to try and make it right to your BIL? Your dad needs a truck to go to work? He should have bought a cheaper car or taken public transport while trying to pay off your BIL."
"Obviously, BIL seems reasonable, he didn't push through with his lawsuit, so he won't allow your family to be homeless. But he is allowed to be compensated for something your FAMILY STOLE AND DESTROYED. And this happened 10 YEARS AGO? And not a single cent?"
"'He doesn't need it' is exactly how thieves think. Let that sink in. Whether he needs it or not, your family is obligated to MAKE THINGS RIGHT."
"You know what's sad? I think if BIL saw your family showed remorse and did everything they could to make it right, your BIL may have forgiven this by now."
"You'd be lucky if your sister and her family still want a relationship with you lot. In fact, I hope she goes no-contact because your family sounds tremendously awful. I wouldn't be surprised if your family didn't even apologize." - donna2tsuki
Others were miffed by the BIL's wife but understood she may have been cornered.
"There's a big difference between 'she said sure thing, right away' and 'they talked her into it.'"
"Talking someone into something could mean anything from a puppy-eyed guilt trip to a blackmail threat to a two-hour lecture. If the sister was the one that convinced him not to sue, chances are she's used to playing peacemaker." - Ok-Procedure6647
"I suspect the husband realizes the extended family is manipulative AF and knew his wife was stuck between a rock and a hard place so forgave her." - mama-toast
"Likely she showed some remorse and apologized for her mistake. It doesn't feel like the parents and the brother did it."
"And it wasn't her who wrecked his stuff, and likely she assumed her father and brother know what they were doing and everything would stay in working order. So considering all that her husband likely had more reasons to forgive her than them." - opelan
"I would say that the sister is easily bullied by this family. When I first married my wife, she was a pushover with her family. It was a weakness."
"After 10 years of encouragement from me, she stands up for herself a lot better. The fact the sister is not coming on the trip and told the brother off is a good sign this is similar." - badwolfrider
"First, I highly doubt that they didn't know BIL was out of town when they just happened to decide to go to his house and ask him again."
"Second, OP says they "talked my sister into" letting them borrow it. I have a feeling that there was a lot of guilt-tripping, a lot of 'faaaaaamily' kind of talk (especially given OP's use of 'I can't believe you'd let a 10-year-old grudge get between faaaamily'), and a lot of 'just trust us, it'll be quick, and hubs will never even need to know.'"
"I also have a feeling that BIL forgave his wife because this incident finally opened her eyes to her family's manipulation tactics." - BelkiraHoTep
After receiving feedback, the OP did not agree with their ratings.
"Let's get something straight. My dad and brother are not bad people. They are good people who made a mistake. They couldn't pay back BIL because he wanted almost $70,000 and again, we're not rich. Dad had to buy another truck because he needed it to go to work."
"On the other hand, BIL had 3 other sets of skid loaders and dump trailers on his lot that day, so he could take the financial hit while my parents would be homeless. BIL and sis are way better off than the rest of us so while I understand your reasoning for paying BIL back, he doesn't need it."
"The cruise to Mexico isn't some millionaire trip. The total cost is about $3,000, and it'll take over 20 people to pay for that. Again, we're not rich. We can barely cover $3,000 spread out over 20 people so there's no way we can pay $70,000."
The subReddit was furious on the brother-in-law's behalf and could not believe the level of entitlement exhibited by the OP and the rest of the family, let alone their resistance to being held accountable.
If the family couldn't save money over the course of ten years to help the brother-in-law get a new skid loader, they certainly had no business expecting the brother-in-law to save up for a cruise.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.