We know the phrase is 'til death do us part, but could 'til debt do us part be just as accurate?
One woman asked Reddit for advice on the matter after discovering that her husband of over a decade had been hiding his debt from her. The total amount of debt she just discovered they are in is ... not insignificant.
Redditor ThrowRAfinancialhelp posted:
"I (38f) just found out my husband (38m) of 14 years is in $50k credit card debt"
The Original Poster (OP) explained her situation to people and asked for their thoughts.
"I have been living a lie. I thought we were living comfortably. He shows love by purchasing things and he knows he has a spending problem."
"I've helped him before by getting him out of credit card debt. I have paid off my student loans and my car. I don't have any debt."
"When he got a job that involves traveling I started working less so I could have a flexible schedule to be home with the kids, so he is the main bread winner."
"Because of travel he has to front the travel costs and get reimbursed from the company. So he opened up credit cards and started racking up debt the last 4 years."
"Now that COVID-19 hit he is working from home and is longer getting reimbursed. He says the debt is mostly interest."
"The only reason I found out about the debt is we applied for financial help to pay for a new roof and got declined. He wouldn't tell me why."
"I finally got it out of him the amount. $50,000! I have been ignorantly making financial decisions thinking the only debt we had was his student loans."
"The fact that he hid this from me makes me feel like when my ex cheated on me. I'll be fine and then see purchases that have been made around the house and just break down crying."
"I want to come up with a payment plan with him but I can't trust him anymore. He kept it hidden because he knows I would have never made those purchases or gone on those vacations."
"I'm at a complete loss. I can't think clearly. I know it wasn't malicious intent and he loves me very deeply but this is not what I signed up for. And I don't know how to proceed."
"If I help him get on a financial plan and really come down hard on his spending how can I even trust that he isn't going to hide other stuff from me? He says he needs help and wants to be open but I don't know what to do."
"I told him the ball is in his court. If we are going to make this work he needs to be completely transparent and come to me about everything."
"He claims he just wants me to live comfortably and not have to worry. So he acts like a martyr and puts all of his energy into his work."
"He has pretty much agreed that I need to be 'the boss.' But said he wouldn't cut up the cards."
"Has anyone else gone through something like this? Is there a place I can turn? I need to talk to someone but I know he is so embarrassed about it I don't want friends or family to know."
"Let me know if there is another place to post."
"TLDR; Husband has hidden debt from me, I feel like I've been cheated on, don't know where to turn or what to do."
She may not have had any ideas on where to turn or what to do, but Reddit users sure did.
OP asked for people's thoughts and she certainly got them.
"50k is 'mostly interest'? I don't buy it. You need to look at his credit card statements and see where the spending is really happening."
"I work for a bank, even with a card (or cards) with high interest, it would be kind of hard to rack up 50k in interest that quickly unless he was putting hundreds of thousands of dollars onto the cards, which he then would have to have paid off in order for the balance to currently be at 50k."
"He's definitely lying about that; I would demand to see the statements and if he refuses, call the bank and have them sent or reset the online banking to view them electronically."
"And then take his cards away from him. It sounds sh*tty but he has proven time and time again that he can't be trusted with a credit card...so put him on an allowance." - catsmeow18357
"From someone who went through a similar situation, this is not just about money. I was 34 when I started feeling like things were "off". The spending is a symptom of something else."
"This has more to do with a personality flaw that likely will not change without a great deal of therapy from a specialist who can get to the bottom of your spouse's addictive behavior. When I first had suspicions something was going on in my marriage, it was like picking the errant yarn on a sweater."
"The entire marriage unraveled and 9 years later, I am still discovering financial mine fields that I am tied to. After the initial discovery, I did the following (by the way, it took me 2 years to finally leave, and one failed attempt):"
"1. Signed up for marriage counseling. We ultimately saw a counselor through our church, attended a weekend long intensive marriage course, and went to a marriage class held at our church- which we dropped out of at the halfway mark when I realized only one of us was committed to the changes necessary to repair the relationship."
"2. Sought legal advice; first from a divorce attorney and second from a Tax Attorney"
"3. Contacted the IRS (the issues were far beyond credit cards)"
"4. Dug through every piece of paper in his home office and uncovered mountains of debt and cards I had no idea existed...organized it all."
"5. Miraculously got a job (I was a stay at home mom)"
"6. Opened my own phone account and separated as much as I could from our 'marital' accounts"
"7. Took an inventory of everything we owned. You'll want to do this anyway for insurance purposes, but ultimately it helped me in the asset division component of the divorce filing."
"8. Went to our bank and requested records reflecting our HELOC records - which were shocking at best"
"9. Signed a lease on an apartment"
"10. Moved out, with our children, and attempted to start over with $2000 to my name"
"This pattern of behavior is deeply rooted in something else. I didn't hang around to figure out what that was, simply because I didn't know how we were feeding our children, and he wasn't telling me."
"If your husband is truly remorseful and willing to be open and honest and shows signs of changing, that's one thing. But in my mind, if financial security is something you value and need, I would take a hard look at what you're facing and be very honest about whether you think you can sustain a marriage to someone who is deliberately deceitful."
"Remember that every single time he chose to purchase something, it was a CHOICE. Those similar choices in my marriage led me to the only choice I had left."
"It was either stay and hope for the best, or leave and do my best to survive. I chose the latter. Neither is easy." - ChoiceAndConsequence
"He says he did it because he wants you to live comfortably and not worry? No no no. He won't change until he can admit that he has a problem and did something wrong."
"He can't offload it on to you. He wanted new toys and things y'all couldn't afford. And instead of making a plan with you to budget for them, he racked up credit card debt."
"In some ways, I get it. I can be bad with spending and had about $25k on credit cards at one point (partly due to unexpected unemployment for a while). But I was single and realized I needed to make a change. And I paid it off."
"He needs to start attending financial classes or something and admit he did this for him. Not trying to blame you." - fakemoose
"This is his way of blaming you for his own irresponsible spending habits. Just how people try to blame their affairs on their partners (you didn't give me enough attention, etc.)"
"It's his way of relieving his own guilt and stress about it. I suggest getting into marital counseling ASAP."
"You need to feel comfortable discussing this with a third party in the room that is not family/friends. He needs to admit that he is putting a major strain on the relationship and give you a clear plan of what he intends to do about it." - JaneHeroine
"'Because of travel he has to front the travel costs and get reimbursed from the company.' I travel heavily for work as a consultant, couple thoughts."
"1. Any company requiring heavy travel will provide you with a company amex etc. There is likely no reason he "needs" to use his own credit cards. The only reason people that I know use their personal cards for business expenses is because they prefer their cards perks."
"2. What else is he spending money on? They refund you and you can pay the balance off immediately. So that is telling he isn't paying them off, so what was he doing with the cash?"
"3. I generally make about 800-1000+ extra tax free bucks a month traveling regardless due to per diem. I usually make a point to book hotels with a kitchenette so I can just buy groceries for the week and pocket most of my per diem because I'm not eating out for every meal (on average its usually 50 bucks a day depending on the location)."
"So how he is incurring such a debt with "nothing to show for it" is baffling to me." - Highlander198116
"Of course you feel cheated on. He had an entire secret life for years and years."
"He knew that you were living in a false reality with a false sense of security, and he knew it would upset you, so he unilaterally chose to keep you in the dark, thereby preventing you from being an equal partner in the marriage. How dare he?!"
"Until he can admit that he lied and betrayed you, you don't have a relationship to work on. You aren't partners until he treats you like one." - empathetichedgehog
"He only wants help because he got caught. Before that, he wasn't ever going to stop or reach out to get help. Remember that. You cannot trust him." - Wild_Sea_9827
Reddit didn't hold back. They felt this was a serious betrayal of trust that absolutely needed to be addressed.














Woman With Cerebral Palsy Livid After Husband's Doctor Questions Why He Married Her
In the search for comprehensive medical care, people may have tough conversations about their lifestyle, work, relationships, and other potential stressors.
But a doctor can only make so many decisions on behalf of their patient, cautioned the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor _lucky96 was seeing the same doctor as her husband, so their doctor was aware of both of their medical histories and needs, including her having cerebral palsy.
But when the doctor brought up her condition during her husband's latest appointment and questioned their marriage, the Original Poster (OP) was appalled and wanted to find a new medical care provider.
She asked the sub:
The OP had cerebral palsy and a full life.
"I have cerebral palsy. It mainly affects my walking, but I can walk independently and live a pretty normal life."
"My husband and I have been together for three years and have a blended family with five kids altogether. Three of my kids aren’t biologically his."
The OP and her husband just started seeing a new doctor.
"We’ve both recently started seeing the same general practitioner (GP)." I’ve seen him about three times now and generally thought he was helpful."
"I had noticed he seemed very interested in my disability and would often ask questions about it and whether I had support, but I assumed he was just being thorough."
In the OP's eyes, the doctor crossed a line.
"Today, my husband had an appointment with the same doctor for stomach issues."
"During the appointment, mental health apparently came up as part of the discussion, but the appointment itself wasn’t for mental health."
"I wasn’t in the room because I was outside with our daughter. According to my husband, the doctor asked him, 'Why did you marry your wife?'"
"My husband said because he loves me, and then the doctor apparently said something along the lines of, 'With her disability and five kids, that’s a lot to take on. You realise when she’s older, you’ll have a lot to do as she ages.'"
"My husband thinks I’m overreacting because they had been discussing different stressors in his life, and believes the doctor was just talking about responsibilities and support systems."
"I understand that possibility, but I can’t get past how hurtful it feels to hear my disability described as something my husband 'took on' or as a future burden he’ll have to manage."
"The doctor also said, 'Not many men would do what you do, you’re a good man.'"
The OP was upset about the conversation her husband shared.
"What bothers me most is that the conversation wasn’t even about me, and I wasn’t there to respond or provide any context."
"I feel like the comments reduced me to my disability rather than seeing me as a wife, parent, and person."
"Am I wrong for being upset by this and considering raising it with the clinic, or does this sound inappropriate?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that the doctor's comments were highly inappropriate.
"That’s highly inappropriate. You are NOR." - Direction_Physical
"NOR. You are not overreacting at all. That was completely inappropriate and dehumanizing."
"You’re his patient’s wife, not his patient, while your husband is in that room. Bringing up your disability and five kids during your husband’s stomach appointment had nothing to do with his care."
"Saying you’re 'a lot to take on' and 'not many men would do what you do' frames your marriage like a charity case, and you like a burden instead of a partner."
"That’s ableist, unprofessional, and a violation of basic boundaries."
"It makes sense that you feel reduced to just your disability after hearing that."
"Raising it with the clinic is absolutely reasonable. You deserve a doctor who treats you as a whole person, not a problem for your husband to manage." - DaringDuvet
"This makes me so stabby. I’m non-verbal and have right-sided weakness."
"We were married 29 years before it happened, and the number of people who think my husband needs a medal and a parade for sticking around..."
"Don’t get me wrong. My husband is one of life’s truly good dudes. But seriously?" - sorenelf
"This is infuriating. He's a good man because he didn't ditch?"
"When my mum was diagnosed with cancer that wasn’t going to do the polite thing and get fixed, the amount of applause for my dad not leaving her was astounding."
"He was horrified at first, but that wore off pretty quickly, and he just started calling it out. That made quite a few people squirm in their own discomfort."
"It says a lot about someone who thinks a natural choice is to bail." - BasicLingonberry9914
"NOR in the slightest."
"Even if we assume good intent and the doctor wanted to make sure there are safety nets and supports in place for both of you, that has NOTHING to do with the question of why your husband married you."
"I would absolutely file a complaint, and if you both can, find another general practitioner." - ooooohcakepudding
"NOR. I have severe Aphakia, and if my specialist looked at my husband to remind him he's going to be growing old with someone who is likely going to go blind, I think I would die."
"My husband had been through h**l and back with me and my eyes long before we got married, so he knows what he signed up for. And it isn't the doc's place to sort out. Super duper unprofessional." - Global-Nature2420
"So at first, I thought you were overreacting. I am a mental health provider, and a doctor discussing stressors and very real-life situations happens all the time."
"The minute you added the part that 'not many men,' things changed. He took what could have been a normal conversation and changed it to his personal feelings, which is absolutely disgusting."
"NOR at all. I would file a complaint." - Trash_Human92
Others pointed out that it was an important conversation to have, though the doctor could have been more delicate.
"While tough, this isn't an inappropriate conversation to have if the stress is causing his health to deteriorate."
"The truth is not inappropriate. I think the way he worded it was a bit much, but not what he said."
"It appears to me the OP is not dealing with how her disability is not just about her, but everyone, etc. For example, my cancer was also stressing my loved ones out." - Total-Ad886f
"I was having panic attacks in the middle of the night due to my husband's health and lack of care. So when he finally started seeing someone in my same doctor's office (but not the same doctor), it was SO much better."
"My doc and the nurse have been really, really concerned about my mental health, so they were happy to hear that he's taking his health seriously and improving, because that means that I am sleeping more and my mental health is better, and that means my ability to manage my own chronic pain and health issues has been better."
"I was not coping at all and barely able to function." - popchex
"The doctor may have mentioned OP in the conversation with her husband if he was trying to ascertain if he had stressors that may contribute to his stomach issues. Sure, your spouse, children, work, and parents can be considered stressors at times in anyone’s life."
"For me, where he crossed the line was when he decided just how OP’s condition will impact the future."
"Firstly, OP is obviously capable of caring for everyone, including herself and children, with minimal, if any, assistance. As OP ages, more assistance may be required, but this may also be the case for her husband, too, as he ages. The responsibility of the children will not be a factor, as they are adults."
"So the doctor’s predictions are presumptive and unnecessary. Health is not guaranteed for anyone. We all will face various challenges to our physical abilities as we age."
"What I would take up with the clinic is why he felt it necessary to ask the husband why he married OP. To additionally state because of that, ‘He was a good man’ is grossly inappropriate and unprofessional."
"There is potential for an ongoing issue to arise if OP were to continue seeing this doctor. His bias toward her husband may very well influence any care she may need in the future. NOR." - Cool-Blackberry-785
"It doesn’t make sense because if your husband was talking about how stressed he was, why would the doctor bring up more reasons he should be stressed? Or if he didn’t seem stressed enough, is the doctor then going to be like, 'Consider how stressed you’ll be in X amount of years'?"
"It sort of sounds like he’s saying something like, 'Why would a man do that?'"
"The only exception I’d give is if your husband had some sort of health thing he’s completely ignoring, and the doctor was trying to give him a wake-up moment. Because then, they sort of have to be blunt to make you realize you need to prioritize your health. But simply being stressed isn’t enough to start saying, 'Why did you marry your wife?'"
"Whenever it’s women in your husband’s position, they just get told they’re an awesome rockstar. No one questions WHY they do it."
"NOR. You should find a doctor who makes you feel supported, and you feel is better overall."
"I wouldn’t make your husband change yet. It is hard to find doctors you like. Maybe when you establish with a better doctor, he’ll switch, too." - imwearingredsocks
Since the OP's husband went to the doctor to discuss stomach issues and likely how to remedy them, it's reasonable that the subject of possible stressors would come up, so the husband could avoid those stressors and improve his symptoms.
However, some Redditors felt that also including details about his marriage and fatherhood in the conversation was crossing a line, and while being a care provider to a spouse could be stressful, many felt it was being addressed from an ableist perspective instead.