As the saying goes:
"Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around."
A high school student who's dealing with someone's aggressive religious expression in non-church or religious places turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
Equivalent-Food2138 asked:
"AITA for telling my friend to 'Stop forcing Jesus onto me' because of her ridiculous level of Christianness?
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I (18, female) am with this girl Jessica (18, female) in the same friend group in high school. Jessica is a devout Christian and goes to a Presbyterian church every Sunday for mass."
"I have no problem with this, and it was nice to see that she was able to live a happier life because of her Christianity. Her religious expression was very normal and nuanced at first."
"She would do things like wearing a cross necklace, adding Bible verses to her social media, etc. The issue came when she would show up to our lunch table with a Bible and keep reminding us about how 'God is Great', etc.
"The last straw came when she had made a separate Instagram account dedicated to making posts about the Bible and telling people how to live a holy life."
"She had even tried to make her own Christian podcast at one point."
"At one lunchtime, she told us she was ranting about how 'offensive' it was for people to wear things like cross jewelry when they weren't even Christian and how egregious 'Jesus Christ Superstar'—one of my favorite musicals—was."
"I told her that while her religious beliefs were fine, me and my friends were frankly getting sick and tired of her bringing Jesus, God and the Bible into every single conversation, as well as on her social media."
"I also further reminded her that recontextualizations of the Bible were perfectly fine and that the musical was a medium to explore the humanity of Jesus, because frankly he is human like us."
"Jessica got offended and looked at me coldly before responding with, 'Are you suggesting you're better than Jesus?' I got sick and tired of her at this point and said to her sarcastically, 'Look, Jesus loves you, but he wants you to shut the f*ck up'."
"I then got heated in the moment and told her that her level of devoutness was extremely ridiculous before telling her that she didn't need to make her 'Christianness' her entire personality. I also bluntly told her it seemed like she was subtly suggesting she was better than the rest of us just because she practiced her Christianity a lot."
"Jessica hasn't talked to me since then and I'm wondering if I did overstep a little bit. My friends agree with me, saying that Jessica's behaviour was extremely weird and that she was a hypocrite."
"Meanwhile, my inner self is feeling conflicted. I feel like the sarcasm/swearing was stooping down to her level."
"So Reddit, AITA here?"
The OP summed up their situation.
"I think the swearing and sarcastic remarks might've been a bit unnecessary, and furthermore, I'm wondering if my actions are making it seem like Jessica doesn't have the right to practice Christianity."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"'Jesus loves you, but Jesus wants you to shut the f*ck up'. Gawd. This should be the tagline for ththEvangelical rhetoric of the next presidential election. NTA." ~ Reddit
"NTA, and Jess' response asking you if you were better than Jesus is ridiculous and clearly didn't address the point you were making."
"Her having a religious Instagram/starting a podcast are both fine—you don't need to follow or listen to them if you don't want to."
"The issue is her bringing religion up in every conversation and seeking to control how others behave, and it's totally reasonable to call her out on that."
"I don't think that your being sarcastic makes you an a**hole, as she sounds incredibly annoying, but I think it probably means that you failed to communicate clearly."
"If she does start speaking to you again, then maybe explain to her that you respect her faith and her right to practice it but that it is rude and disrespectful of her to try to control how other people practice or express their faith—or lack of it."
"Or to try to impose her views on others. And that socially it gets very tedious if one person is constantly bringing up the same subject where their interest is not shared by others, and that that is the stage she has reached with her religion."
"Also, her implying that she is better than the rest of you because of her faith is not subtle. She is absolutely implying that she and people who think like her are better than anyone who doesn't share their views."
"And she is being judgemental as hell, which is very unchristian, but I doubt that she would be willing to see that." ~ ProfessorYaffle1
"It's funny how the loudest Christians are usually the ones who totally miss the point of Jesus's teachings. She should spend less time making podcast and more time volunteering at the food ppantrie. NTA." ~ No_Magazine2270
"NTA. Really, these Christians should read their own book, starting at Matthew 6:5:"
"'And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others'." ~ Baby_Blue_Eyes_13
"NTA. If you do feel bad about how you expressed your frustrations, then definitely apologize for that. But don't apologize for being sick and tired of the God talk."
"It's easy to make something your whole personality, especially as a teen. Sometimes it takes some painful reminders that it's not fun for others to hear about it 24/7." ~ TAMeaniePies
"NTA. 'Look, Jesus loves you, but he wants you to shut the f*ck up'."
"Nailed it in one. No one should be forcing their beliefs onto anyone else." ~ Apart-Ad-6518
"NTA. Everyone should treat religion like their genitals."
"It's a private thing. Keep it to yourself unless you have express consent to share with somebody close to you."
"Other people don't need to hear about it on a daily basis."
"Other people don't need to hear how you feel it might impact their lives."
"If you make it a core part of your personality, you will be thought of as weird." ~ I_Will_in_Me_Hole
"My grand aunt used to bring up her digestive system issues, bowel movements, poo texture, etc... whenever someone started talking religion to her. Worked every time." ~ notcomplainingmuch
"Christian here! NTA from me. So it's great to have beliefs. It's great to be happier with the Lord in your life. It's not okay to ram Him down people's throats because literally all you will accomplish is turning them away from God."
"It's also not okay to go Holier than Thou. Ever. We're all flawed. Believing does not make you a better person. How you treat people, how kind you are, how generous, that stuff—that's what makes you a good person."
"It's an easy trap for religious people to fall into. I don't know how hearing sermons of love and joy make people judge and jury, but it fricken does." ~ BeMandalorTomad
"Yeah, I did this when I was a kid and my church youth leader wanted us to go out and tell all our friends that they would go to Hell if they didn't shape up. As a kid, I thought this was what I needed to do."
"Didn't turn out well, pretty much lost all those friends forever. I did grow up and changed churches to one that is not so overtly critical of others views." ~ Knit_pixelbyte
"NTA. You were 100% correct. If my friends weren't into my pastimes and I insisted on talking about nothing else, I would expect to be told to shut up too." ~ mismanaged
"NTA. While you didn't necessarily have to clap back, Jessica's behavior was becoming increasingly rude and disrespectful to you and your friend group."
"This was going to boil over at some point, and now it has. I don't think you're an a**hole for what you said. But words do have consequences, even accurate ones, and the result may be that Jessica will no longer be your friend. Such is life." ~ cascadia1979
"NTA. But I would like to remind folks that this is part of the plan. Force the followers to alienate themselves from the rest of us, lose contact with non-believers due to their forceful proselytizing, and engrain their doctrine deeper into their minds."
"People can be religious all they want, but it's good to remember that there is an overarching narrative that happens over and over again with cult mentalities." ~ throwaway85939584
"NTA. And religion isn't making your friend happier. It's making them judgmental and annoying. This is why the next generations are foregoing organized religion." ~ TumbleweedLoner
"NTA. She was forcing her beliefs on EVERYONE! This idea that it's her duty to preach will get her excluded from everything but her church."
"Maybe she needs a reminder about accepting everyone, leaving judgment to the Lord. Probably won't help, but it might be worth a try." ~ DrObnxs
Religious conversations should only occur with consent from all parties.
And if no one asks about your religion, they probably don't want to hear about it.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.