Most people don't like to think about the very idea of an inheritance.
Be it money, property, or material items, coming into possession of them is owing to the passing of a loved one.
There are a select few, however, who are determined to become the recipient of a friend or relative's property.
Should these people learn that their desired inheritance is, in fact, promised to someone else, they don't take to it too kindly at all.
Redditor Safe-Opposite-9417 was recently given a prized heirloom by her fiancé. An heirloom the older brother of the original poster (OP)'s fiancé willingly agreed to pass down to the OP.
This decision did not sit particularly well with that same brother's girlfriend, who effortfully campaigned to have the heirloom returned to her.
A campaign the OP and her fiancé flatly rejected.
Wondering if she was being unfair, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The a**hole" (AITA), where she asked fellow Redditors:
"AITA for not giving back my fiancé's deceased grandmothers engagement ring?"
The OP explained why she was unwilling to relinquish her engagement ring to her fiancé's brother or his girlfriend:
"I (29 F[emale]) am engaged to Jake, 32, male."
"We have been engaged for 2 years."
"He has an older brother, Sam, 38."
"When Jake and I got engaged, Jake wanted me to have his grandmother's engagement ring."
"Jake talked to Sam and Sam said since he doesn't plan to get married or have children that Jake should use the ring."
"I love that ring and love the sentimental meaning behind it."
"Sam met a wonderful woman, Hannah, within the past year, and they are expecting a child."
"Once they found out it would be a girl, Hannah told Sam she wants him to get the ring back for their daughter."
"Jake has already told Sam no."
"During Sunday dinner last weekend at my mother in laws house Hannah brought up the ring and how it should be given to their daughter since she would a great grandchild and I am not related by blood."
"It became an intense discussion."
"Luckily my mother in law also agrees with my fiancé and I."
"Hannah then asked if her daughter could have it in our will."
"I said no because it will either be given to our son or our future daughter."
"I told Hannah to take up her problem with Sam since he's the one who let Jake have the ring to give to me."
"Hannah ended up leaving the house crying."
"AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation, by declaring:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
The Reddit community unanimously agreed that the OP was not the a**hole for refusing to give back her engagement ring.
Everyone agreed that since Sam gave his blessing for Jake to give the OP their grandmother's ring, then it was rightfully hers, and she had no obligation to give it back, with many amused and confused by Hannah's "blood relation" logic as to why she deserved the ring:
"NTA."
"Hannah looks at the ring as a status symbol in your family."
"Like, whomever has the ring is the better/more important daughter-in-law or grandchild/great-grandchild."
"It's silly."
"Expect plenty of attempted oneupmanship from her with the kids."
"And ffs, don't give up your ring!"- obtusewisdom
"NTA."
"That's your engagement ring."
"Sam had his chance at the ring, but he passed it to Jake."
"It became your engagement ring."
"Him trying to somehow retroactively claim the engagement ring because his 1 year relationship wants it is crazy."
"It's even crazier that she wants it for an unborn baby."
"If the ring is valuable, this gives vibes that Hannah is money-grubbing."
"I know you say she is wonderful, but this is worrying behavior for a year old relationship."
"A baby is already on the way, and she's already looking for what she can take because 'baby is related'."- Mobile_Following_198
"NTA."
"I've seen so many titles similar to yours and was glad that this is a completely different context to that."
"This is all on Sam."
"He's the one who should be dealing with the fallout from the wonderful Hannah."
"Seems weird that Hannah's eyeing the ring already."
"Leaving the house crying sounds like either manipulation to try and get her way, or a tantrum because she's not getting her way."- AsparagusWTweak
"Definitely NTA, wow!"
"The cajones on your bil and sil! his gf!"
"You may not be 'blood related' but neither is your sil, lol!"
"Jake asked for the ring and Sam agreed...no take-see back'sees!"
"It is yours and should go to your children...period."
"I think maybe Hannah isn't used to be told 'no', lol."- IamIrene
"NTA."
"You just don't get to take rings off of people's fingers."
"You just cannot."
"She missed out and will have to be apart of another tradition."- LouisV25
"NTA."
"Hannah sounds like an entitled, churlish, petulant child."
'Who even does this?"- banjadev
"NTA."
"Sam gave up all rights to the ring when he gave it to Jake."
"It is Jake's ring to do with as he pleases."
"Right now it sits on your finger as a promise to marry you."
"However, should you two break up before a wedding, the ring goes back to Jake."- Chilling_Storm
"NTA."
"Why does Hannah think she gets to have an opinion about what happens to her boyfriends' brother's fiancé's ring (or her boyfriend's grandmother's ring)?"
"No one should even be discussing it with her."
"Just- no."- EmilyAnne1170
"What an odd request and reaction."
"It almost makes one wonder what Sam is telling Hannah."
"You're NTA, but good luck with those future family dynamics."
"Sounds fraught with pettiness."- LifeExplorer1021
"Hmm I'm not psychic, but I'm getting a strong feeling that Hannah wants the ring for Hannah."
"NTA."- Pisssssed
"NTA."
"The ring was a gift and everyone agreed. you don't just get to 'ask for it back'."
"I thought maybe you had broken up."
"If you're still getting married, you should keep the ring."- One-Pudding9667
"The only reason to give back an engagement ring is if you break off the engagement."
"NTA."- Tiberius_Imperator
"NTA."
"I'm wondering if Hannah heard about the ring & asked Sam to get it for her and Sam only asked Jake to appease her."
"It is so weird to ask for a ring back that Sam freely gave to Jake."
"And it feels like her asking in front of everyone was a way to put you on the spot and when that didn't work, she turned on the tears."- bookishmama_76
"NTA."
"Shit situation, but the ring is yours!"
"It's still in the family so I don't get the big deal."- Thin-Application-594
"NTA."
"Your future children will be just as blood-related as hers will be so her argument is moot."
"Her unborn child definitely does not need that ring."
"And at the end of the day, the brothers agreed to let your fiancé use it for you before she came along."
"It sounds like despite the fact that they are having a baby together, Sam has not proposed marriage to Hannah?"
"No judgement on my behalf, my sister and BIL have a child together and are committed to each other, but have not technically married either (though in our country, since they have lived together for years, they would be considered common law married by law)."
"But do you think that is the real crux of the issue here?"
"That Hannah may think if she gets the ring, she can force a proposal out of Sam?"
"Because in my mind, it's either that or she is a gold digger."- imamage_fightme
"Fortunately MIL is on your side."
"She seems to be a keeper."
"Hannah is sounding like an Asset Sponge."
"OP NTA."- NotYourMom56
"NTA."
"You didn't make Hannah cry-- a toxic combination of raging hormones and apparently REALLY REALLY poor manners made Hannah cry."
"KUDOS to your MIL for having your back on this."- celticmusebooks
"NTA."
"It's your ring now, and unless you don't have any kids of your own, it shouldn't go to the niece de facto."
"Peace keeping suggestions - is there another family heirloom ring like a wedding band she can use?"
"My engagement ring belonged to my husband's grandmother."
"He and his mom went to the jeweler and had the stone reset and used the original setting for an amethyst for my youngest SIL's first piece of real jewelry."- Secret-Ice260
Sam's rationale was that Jake could have the ring because he didn't "plan" to marry or have children.
Now that he's going to be a father, it's unclear whether Sam is just a bit too hasty in his decision-making or just has a low opinion of himself.
What is clear, however, is that Sam made a decision, and he and Hannah need to respect that.
Hannah also might want to really think about how her child would be a "blood relation" but the future children of the OP and Jake, Sam's brother, would not...?
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp