Content Warning: Affair, Affair Babies, Car Accident, Foster Care
While not everyone would call it an immediate deal breaker, we can all agree that discovering that our partner was cheating on us would be incredibly hurtful.
But finding out that they've also started a family with their affair partner would be even worse, cringed the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor ScaredyCat1122 had recently discovered that her husband was part of a three-year-long affair, because his affair partner came forward, announcing she was pregnant.
While they were in the process of getting divorced, her soon-to-be ex-husband and his new partner died in a car accident, leaving the twins without parents.
When she was pressured by her former parents-in-law, the affair partner's parents, and even her own mother to take the twins in, despite having two children of her own, the Original Poster (OP) was shocked.
She asked the sub:
"WIBTAH (Would I be the a**hole) if I refused to raise my husband's twin affair children now that he and the woman he cheated with passed away?"
The OP recently made a terrible discovery about her husband.
"My (45 Female) husband (49 Male) of 23 years had an affair with a twenty-year-old woman in 2020 and continued the affair for the next three years."
"I found out this year when his affair partner gave birth to twin boys in March."
"Obviously, we initiated a divorce. We've been hashing things out since, because it's been a lengthy process due to some properties in common. We also needed to get an accountant since he used the shared account for his affair."
"Finally, things seemed to be getting close to the end when both my husband and the woman he cheated with were killed in a car crash."
The OP was shocked by what happened next.
"By some miracle, the twin babies were not harmed in the crash. Now they are orphaned, and neither set of grandparents can take them in permanently. My husband's parents are both in assisted living, he has no siblings, and his only aunt (the babies' great-aunt, 60 Female) that could take them refuses. She's been child free her whole life."
"On the woman's side, I'm not sure of the details in full, but her parents are also not able to be involved long-term, and the one sister she has lives overseas."
"Since we were still married and he had not updated his will, all his assets were set to pass to me and our two children. I'm not callous enough to leave those babies with nothing, so I agreed to let whoever their legal guardian will be to have the remaining balance in the shared account, which is about twenty-five thousand in savings."
"The issue is no one wants to take them in. Now my in-laws are pressuring me to take them in and raise them."
"The issue is, I don't want to. At all. I wouldn't love them, and I don't want to be the evil stepmother. But I know a big part of me will always have a level of resentment towards them. I will probably favor my own children."
The OP knew she couldn't responsibly raise the twins after how her husband treated her.
"It's not their fault, but I truly loved my husband, and I thought we were happy before I found out about the affair. We have two daughters (14 and 16)."
"Obviously, we had disagreements but never insulted each other before. Then I found out about the affair, and he began calling me names and blaming me for his cheating. He became abusive and even tried to kick me out of the house (my childhood home that is not shared property, for the record)."
"I'm also raising teenagers alone now. I don't have the energy to raise babies anymore."
"My daughters also hate their baby brothers. I tried to get them to spend time with their dad as we were divorcing, but they refused. Since this all was found out because of the babies, there wasn't really a way to sugarcoat the situation. And they are also too old to really get away with not telling them about it."
The OP felt pressured to make a decision.
"Most of my friends agree it's not my place to care for those children, but my in-laws, the affair woman's parents, and my mother want me to raise them."
"I know my mom is just having grandkids' fever, but it hurts to not have her support."
"I have to make a decision by next week or the boys will be going into foster care. At the moment, they are temporarily placed with their maternal grandparents."
"I feel horrible, but I am very sure I can't take them in."
"WIBTAH if I refused to take them in?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that it was not her responsibility to adopt the twins.
"You're NTA, but your mother sure is. DO NOT FEEL GUILTY."
"Do what is best for you and your children. Unfortunately, this is a consequence of your ex's actions. The AP's parents need to make it work. Whatever issues they are having because they can't do it long term is not your problem, they can send the kids overseas if their aunt is willing to take them in."
"For your ex-in-laws to want you to take them and for the affair partner's parents to want you to take them (a person that isn't even related) is crazy."
"Who cares what these people think? Your ex would have made your life a living h**l based on what you posted. And his parents probably knew what he was doing and didn't care what that did to you and your children." - ravenlyran
"The two boys are not related to you, you have no responsibility to raise them. Your in-laws, AP's parents, and your mother can take the boys in if they are so inclined; otherwise, they do not have an opinion."
"Your in-laws are crazy if they think you will raise your husband's affair babies; especially when the divorce was being finalized. Your mother, I have no words, really."
"Your daughters should be your first priority and they have no bond with and do not like the boys. It is unfortunate but the best option may well be to place the boys in foster care." - No_Cockroach4248
"Why should you feel horrible? Your late husband had an affair with a woman young enough to be his daughter. Their children are not your responsibility."
"You are responsible for your two daughters who now only have one parent. Your focus should on them. You don't have the time and energy for babies who are not even related to you. Your daily diaper-changing days and midnight feedings are behind you."
"NTA."
"Anyone who claims that you are, should be given instructions of how to volunteer to adopt them." - SeaworthinessDue8650
"Why on earth would you raise his affair kids?? I wouldn't do that even if I was still married to the guy, let alone if I was playing to divorce him."
"Maybe this is how it needs to be spelled out for everyone demanding she raise the kids. If your roommate died, would everyone be looking at you expecting you to raise their kids? No, they wouldn't."
"And if 'roommates' isn't enough to convince them because YoU wERe MaRrieD at oNe POinT... Let's create a hypothetical: one year after your divorce, your Ex has started over and moved on with another woman. They both die suddenly a year later. Would everyone look at you to raise their kids? Again, no."
"The idea that because you were married WHILE HE moved on somehow makes you responsible is ridiculous."
"Are you also expected to chip in for HER funeral costs? I ask because she's just as much your family as her kids are and you're expected to chip in for them... NTA." - Bice_thePrecious
"The babies should be put up for adoption. Period. It would be a matter of weeks as they are babies. The grandparents could ask for an open adoption so they can be in their lives. Any money you give them should be set aside in a trust that they receive when they turn 25." - she_who_knits
Others agreed and were certain the babies would be adopted right away.
"Former foster parent here:"
"Twin infants whose parents are dead and without family who can take them (ie: no languishing for years in impermanency hoping that guardians can get it together, or worse, being returned home and then removed again over and over and over), who were born to a mom who presumably got prenatal care and didn't do drugs, who weren't abused or neglected?"
"There would be a line a mile long of families who would desperately love to adopt these babies, who would love them and see them as the fulfillment of their wildest dreams."
"Yes, adoption comes with trauma, but this is one of the most 'ideal' (if you can ever use that word in cases where children lose their parents) adoptive situations, with the greatest chance of happiness for those children." - Foraze_Lightbringer
"Wouldn't it be great if some lovely couple who've been waiting and waiting to adopt could be considered to be their parents?"
"It's very sad if they can't be with bio family, but that's how it worked out. They could still be loved and have a great life."
"OP is not the a**hole." - OkExternal7904
"Nothing callous about putting the children in a good home. That is what a responsible parent would do in this situation. OP didn't make the babies. OP has good reason not to be involved with the babies, and OP has no responsibility in this situation to care for the babies."
"Put them up for adoption, let them go to a good home, and be spoiled by their new parents."
"I would argue that OP has no responsibility to give them 25k, either. I would put my effort into finding them a good home with good parents, but after that, they become the responsibility of the new family." - JediFed
"She is doing the responsible thing by making arrangements for the children to be in a loving family. They won't remember her."
"It's also the loving thing. She knows these kids are innocent. She doesn't hate them. But she doesn't want to resent having them in her life. She is offering them a chance at a life without being the burden of being the product of an affair." - Viperbunny
"This is not a reflection on the OP at all, NTA, but I feel so sorry for these babies because it sure seems like no one wants them."
"And that's why I'm chiming in. I was adopted (via private adoption) and my adoptive parents never hid that fact from me. From the very beginning, they emphasized that I was very much wanted. They started out by telling me an obviously silly story (and even as a two-year-old I knew it was silly; the way they told me emphasized that it was not factual)."
"They said they very much wanted a baby and so they went to the Baby Store to pick one out. They told me they saw lots of beautiful babies with pretty curly hair. But when they saw me I reached out to them and I grabbed my dad's hand and smiled. (I was a newborn so smiling, sitting up, and reaching out were certainly beyond me.)"
"And that was it; I was the chosen one. The Baby Store lady asked if they were sure because after all I was bald. 'No,' they told her, 'We're sure. We want this one.' And they'd end every retelling of this story reminding me that all the other little boys and girls that I knew were born into their families and their parents had to take them. But I was chosen because they really, really wanted me."
"I loved my parents very much and never doubted their love for me. Every child deserves that. And there are doting, hopeful parents out there who would love those babies completely. I really hope those babies and the yearning-to-have-children couples find each other and provide a happy ending to this otherwise unhappy story." - Big-Summer-
After receiving feedback, the OP shared the decision she had made.
"Hey everyone, I appreciate the well wishes for my girls, the boys, and myself. Also for the amount of lovely people offering to see about giving the twins a good home. I might not be their mother, but it does touch me and makes me glad there are good people out there."
"After thinking carefully and speaking to my lawyer, reading responses, doing research, etc., I plan to speak to the grandparents tomorrow and refuse to take legal guardianship of the boys."
"I will let them know of the usernames of people who offered meetings for private adoptions or fostering, but my daughters are my priority. It'll be up to the twins' grandparents to decide if they'll proceed with adoption, keep them, or turn them to the state."
"I wish I had the mental capacity to be the person to do this, but I have two girls who are going through a lot and they need my full attention."
"I'll also be talking to the lawyers to figure out if the boys have any inheritance claim properly. If they do, I'll separate it and leave it to the lawyers to do what they need to do for them to have access when it's best. If they don't, I'll find a way to ensure they have access to the 25k, I was going to give them since the beginning."
"I won't do more, however. My moral compass might be biased, but I don't believe I'm obligated either morally or legally to do more than what the word of law says. I can't help everyone, and I shouldn't have to."
"I have two girls who lost their father, two girls who need therapy, and two girls who are just about to get to college. They've gone through enough without seeing their mother favor the children of their father's mistress."
In a second update, the OP shared the conversation she had with the twins' grandparents.
"Hey everyone, as I said two nights ago, I went yesterday to speak to the twin's grandparents. I explained my position and refused to take guardianship of the boys."
"My mother-in-law almost slapped me when I said that, but thankfully, this was all done in a public place, and my father-in-law stopped her. The maternal grandparents kept pleading for me to raise them since they didn't want to lose them."
"I kept saying no, and when they called me selfish, I lost it."
"I told them to their face the only selfish people in this mess were them, their son, and their sort-of daughter. Their son, my husband, for cheating and then making the divorce h**l on me and my girls. Their daughter because she was a wh**e (I used another word) who went after a married man twice her age."
"I told them if I heard from them again, I would request a cease-and-desist."
"I also informed my parents-in-law that they won't have access to my daughters for the foreseeable future. I'll explain why in a bit."
"We were at a restaurant, but I didn't stay for the meal. I also sent an email to my lawyer so he can ensure CPS and any agency involved in the welfare of the twins is aware I'm not going to be their guardian or be involved."
"Then I sent an email to my in-laws with all the usernames and websites from people here on Reddit who have offered to do interviews for the twins' adoption. I won't be involved beyond this point, so please as lovely as it is, I can't help you if you are interested in the boys. Yesterday was the end of my involvement."
In the second update, the OP shared how the situation had impacted her daughters.
"As for why my in-laws won't see my girls, I spoke to my daughters and decided to find out more about their thoughts before I went to meet the grandparents."
"My youngest refused to speak to me, which I found very out of place for her. My eldest then asked for just the two of us to speak. That's when she explained that my in-laws had been going on about how the girls need to get ready to go to public school instead of their private school and to get jobs right out of high school since I will have to provide the twins with private schooling and college money."
"Apparently, they also were told to start moving their stuff to share a room (even though my girls have separate rooms), since the twins need more space."
"This was not known to me. Mostly because that would never happen. Apparently, my in-laws have been basically bullying the girls because 'the babies take priority.'"
"Yeah, that's not happening."
"I told the girls that their grandparents have no say in where they go to school, their college funds, or how the rooms are set in our house. I also told them that while I do agree they could use a part-time job during college and maybe a scholarship, their tuition would be paid. I told them not to blame the babies for the stupidity of the adults. They told me they understood but still didn't want to interact with their brothers for now. That 'for now' part gives me hope they'll get through things."
"For now, we're going to make some changes in the house. The girls and I both don't like there's still an office space that my husband used. We're going to make it into a gaming room for all of us. I plan to take down some pictures that have my husband in them and put them in albums for the girls. We just want to make the house more ours."
"As for people wondering why my girls wanted nothing to do with their father: My daughters were the ones who discovered the affair and told me when my husband took them to meet the twins at the hospital. He had asked them to keep it secret, but my girls told me. After that, my husband began treating them horribly, too. He burnt all bridges with the girls."
In a third update, the OP redirected inquiries about the twins.
"I spoke to a lawyer on Monday. The boys have no inheritance claim until a DNA test is done."
"After that, their only claim is against my in-laws. The shared account is not considered my husband's individual property, so it is mine. Same with the lake house."
"Since he had a PERSONAL savings account and a life insurance, which went to his parents, that would be the only thing the boys could claim. Obviously, this can be changed if it goes to trial, but the lawyer told me with how little my husband left my girls and me, there's very little chance a judge will demand our assets."
"The lawyer also recommended me to completely end the idea of sharing any money with the boys. That could be used against me to claim I'm taking fiscal responsibility for them and should be considered to be their guardian. I'm dividing the money from the shared account for my daughter's college tuition instead."
"I'm still unsure if I'll sell the lake house or not, but neither the girls nor I are attached to it. Now, please leave me alone about the boys' inheritance. Sad as it is, my husband messed everything up for his children. I'm not responsible for them nor do I have to sacrifice my assets to set them up for a better life."
In a fourth and probably final update, the OP shared how the twins were doing.
"There's some good news and some annoying news. The good news is the boys were safely retrieved by CPS from their maternal grandparents and will be placed in foster care until a permanent arrangement is made. I found out when it happened since their grandparents, and my mother, came to scream at me at work."
"In all honesty, I'm glad this happened at work and not at home. It's made me consider moving since I don't want my daughters exposed to any of this."
"An annoyance I had very soon after was getting a call about my 'inquiries into fostering and adopting'. Apparently, my information was sent to CPS as someone interested in fostering the twins and eventually adopting them. I immediately explained the situation between the grandparents and me, and the operator was speechless at first. She apologized for the situation and told me she would make sure I wasn't bothered about the process."
"I also got served this morning. My in-laws are suing for grandparents' rights. They are also suing for custody. Apparently, they are planning to leave their assisted living, which they really shouldn't, to buy a house that allows kids to get the twins back and now also want custody of my daughters."
"My personal lawyer immediately gave me some instructions I won't share to safeguard myself and my daughters from some risks during a possible custody battle. My lawyer and I both suspect my in-laws want the girls to parentified them as caretakers for the twins since my in-laws have mobility limitations. It will be a cold day in hell before that happens. I don't see CPS placing the boys with them to begin with."
Also, in the fourth update, the OP shared how she and her daughters were doing.
"Not all is bad news. I'm starting therapy next week, and my eldest daughter is once again speaking about the colleges she wants to go to. We still haven't really talked about their father, and they haven't agreed to visit his grave. I myself haven't gone there and I'm trying really hard to get used to not calling him 'my husband' anymore."
"I had nothing to do with the funeral plans aside from paying bills, and from what I heard, his parents had the epitaph, 'Devouted and beloved husband, father, and son,' written on it. I find it a joke."
"I know it's bad to hold to so much anger and resentment, but as soon as I have time, I plan to change his tombstone to remove 'husband and father.' It might sound petty, but I refuse to speak well of a cheater and abuser just because he's dead. My daughters deserved better, and so did I."
"I don't think I'll post another update until the whole mess with the grandparents' rights lawsuit is resolved. So to the kind people who have send support to me and my daughters, thank you so much. Maybe I'll have good news in the future, but for now, I'm going back to my old Reddit account."
While everyone could agree that the twins were not at fault and were simply involved in a terrible situation, the OP was far from responsible or guilty in this situation.
As many said, the twins would likely be adopted quickly by a loving couple who wanted children, and they would be raised away from the grief of the loss of their parents and the weight of being the product of an affair. If anyone deserved a fresh start, the twins were among the few.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
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