When and how a person decides to come out is an individual thing. It's also a series of decisions for most people.
There's sharing their LGBTQ+ identity with family, and friends, and classmates, and coworkers, etc...
Unless they decide to walk around with a giant sign, most LGBTQ+ people will be faced with coming out over and over again in a society that labels binary cisgender heteronormative as "normal" and everything else on the gender and sexuality spectrums as requiring disclosure.
A young woman dealing with being forced out of the closet in an environment where she decided it wasn't necessary turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
Cheap-Data3394 asked:
"AITA for not telling my friend (35, female) that I (26, female) am bisexual?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I started a new job about 7 months ago and became really close to my coworker. We've hung out outside of work plenty of times, and have developed a really close friendship."
"We have had some pretty deep conversations and a few months into knowing each other we related to each other based on some trauma. So we kinda trauma bonded sharing some serious stuff with each other."
"She actually has more guy friends than girls. She has difficulty trusting women because of past trauma."
We were hanging out with a couple of guys from work and somehow the question came up of 'would you do xyz with a girl for 10k' and my friend said 'absolutely not, I couldn't do it for a million'."
"I joked and said I'd do it for free. My friend laughed and said 'I don't know how you could do that' and I said that 'it's easy cause I like girls'. Everybody laughed and we moved on."
"The next day at work she asked me if I really liked girls and I said 'yes, I'm bisexual'. She got upset and asked me why I didn't tell her and I said because I didn't feel like I had to."
"I told her that I came out of the closet at 15, and I don't really bring it up except to men I'm dating or women I'm romantically interested in. I wasn't attracted to her in that way, so I didn't feel the need to tell her."
"She said I was weird for not telling her, and that now she's uncomfortable and she said she was really upset and that I should've told her. It's been about a week and she doesn't talk to me unless it involves work."
"She doesn't text me, and I'm wondering if I'm wrong for not telling her? Or is she wrong for assuming I should've and making a big deal about me not telling her? Should I apologize for not telling her?"
"Plus, it wasn't a secret—if she ever asked I would've just told her. There was just never a context where it was necessary for me to tell her, and in my opinion randomly bringing it up would've been weirder."
"Now I feel uncomfortable at my job too, and the guys we were friends with are even acting weird toward me as well."
"AITA?"
The OP summed up why they might be the a**hole in their situation.
"I may be the a**hole for not sharing with my friend my sexuality. Maybe her finding out that way led to her discomfort and making assumptions about why I didn't tell her."
"Mind you, we work somewhere that is meant to be inclusive given the population we work with."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
- INFO - more information needed
Redditors decided the OP was
"My gut instinct says NTA. I know you say you're close but it sounds like this is a close friendship in terms of how much you hang out, not necessarily how deep the friendship is."
"I would amend my judgment a bit to N A H if the underlying issue is that she's been baring her soul to you, and now she's discovering you were not similarly forthcoming with her. I get how that would sting."
"This doesn't sound like that is the case though—it sounds like homophobia." ~ Gloomy_Ruminant
"NTA - she's mad because she's biphobic and/or homophobic. It sucks but at least you know now. She's clearly not worth having as a friend." ~ Leigeofgoblins
"NTA, it wasn't relevant. She might just be jumping to conclusions and thinking you were trying to get close to her for romantic intent. Ridiculous I know but people do be doing that. Just let it go and move on. You don't need to be friends with everyone." ~ yeeticusprime1
"It's honestly a her issue. You did nothing wrong, weren't hiding it, just not mentioning it because it wasn't relevant to your relationship with her. Everyone has preferences and tastes, she just doesn't float your boat."
"I wouldn't stress this. At most just continue in work only mode, and if she decides to grow up, she might decide to try and rekindle the friendship. If not it is her loss and her issues closing the door on this friendship." ~ smoike
"I remember one time in high school, a girl in my class asked me if another friend of mine was *furtively looks around* *whispers* a lesbian, and since my friend wasn't hiding it, I said yes."
"The other girl widened her eyes and pulled her sweatshirt closed over her low-cut shirt, with this sort of suggestion that I would understand her concern."
"I didn't respond, because I didn't feel like there was any point, but I really wanted to say something like 'Don't worry, I promise Louise is not into you.' It also felt really pointed that she didn't care if all the boys in the class saw her cleavage, but the thought of a lesbian somewhere in the building made her feel so different."
"If I'd known she was such a homophobic b*tch, I'd have told her it was none of her business and asked if she wanted to know because she wanted to ask her out." ~ madame-de-merteuil
"She doesn't sound homophobic, she IS homophobic."
"If the way you treat people is based on their sexual orientation, and you treat people worse when they have a certain orientation that you don't agree with, you are the problem."
"It's quite literally the definition. OP is getting a worse treatment after her sexuality came to light, how else would you call it?"
"I personally think it's very important to call people out on stuff like this, and by saying 'she sounds homophobic' you are still giving them the benefit of the doubt, which you should ABSOLUTELY not do! Call it like you see it!" ~ Anarchyr
"I'm so sorry you're dealing with such sh*tty homophobic behaviour, but I actually burst out laughing thinking of how this 'friend' is saying it's weird not to tell a coworker your sexuality immediately."
Like, 'Hey, mind if I sit with you for lunch?' and the person replying, 'Sure. I'm attracted to men and women. What's your sexuality?'."
"Ah yes, the natural work introduction we're all familiar with." ~ hoginlly
"NTA, why on earth are they expecting you to disclose anything like this to them? Their reaction is ridiculous and homophobic, what a bunch of bellends." ~ Kukka63
"The guys' questions about 'gay for pay' and a girl-on-girl fetish also don't show understanding of identity. Hopefully, this wasn't during a work or work-related function. Massive HR violation." ~ Usrname52
"NTA, but also the guys are a**holes for being inappropriate if it's in a workplace context—and just gross if it's not. Where I am (Australia) its a form of sexual harassment to ask questions of a sexual nature." ~ hlidsaeda
"If they are now making you feel uncomfortable at work due to them knowing about your sexual orientation only because of their inappropriate question, then it is now a work issue. If you wanted to, you could go to HR and file a complaint of harassment and discrimination." ~ JackBalendar
"It doesn't matter. You are colleagues hanging out after/outside work. Depending where you live, that is protected once they decide to bring it into the workplace." ~ hlidsaeda
The OP provided an update:
"It is protected where I live! I did email HR to see if I could meet with someone today, just waiting on a response."
"I was talking to my mom about it, and she said maybe my coworker thinks I kept it a 'secret' because she's assuming that since I'm bi, I must like every girl who walks my way—a rather homophobic assumption that I see a lot, especially with homophobic men toward gay men."
"We were actually outside of work hanging out. Not making an excuse for the weird question, but it wasn't at work when they asked."
"I have cut off good friends because they're homophobic. It's sad, but life is about losses and gains. I lose a friend but gain a little more self-respect."
Hopefully, OP can get a resolution and a return to peace at work.
The friendship they shared with their coworker is probably over, but based on their response to learning OP's sexuality, that's probably for the best.















Trans Man Considers Breaking Off Engagement After Fiancé Wants Him To Wear A Dress For Wedding
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A lot of people often say, "Believe people when they tell you who they are the first time."
It's one of life's truest (and ignored) sayings.
Believe a person when they are drunk and spew words as well.
Often, a few drinks will help a person let loose on how they really feel.
And then take note.
Redditor dude-e23 wanted to discuss his experience and get some feedback, so naturally, he came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
He asked:
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Hi, I'm sorry for the potentially bad English; it's not my first language anyway."
"I'm a 26-year-old male who recently got engaged to my fiancè, a 28-year-old male."
"For the sake of the story, I'm going to call him Mark."
"I'm a trans man, and this will be relevant to the story."
"Mark and I have been going out for 4 years, and I wasn't on testosterone when we met, and only started recently."
"Mark had never had any issues with my gender identity; he always respected my pronouns and my gender, or so I thought."
"Recently, we were over at his parents' when the topic of the wedding planning came up."
"His mom asked about our wedding outfits, and Mark, who was a bit drunk at this point, said, 'I want to put (my name) in a dress so SHE can be prepared for HER future wifey duty.'"
"I was stunned, and I could see how uncomfortable his mom was."
"I said we were leaving and took Mark home."
"It happened yesterday, and I'm genuinely thinking of breaking it off."
"I've struggled a lot with my identity, and a big part of my family cut me off after my coming out."
"Right now, Mark is at work, and I pretended to be asleep when he left, but now I can't stop overthinking small details like how he used some feminine term in bed or how he always hated when I cut my hair short."
"But maybe he thought it was funny, and he was too drunk to realize what he was saying."
The OP was left to wonder:
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed in on some options to the question, AITA:
Redditors declared that OP was NOT the A-hole.
"Yeah, so it turns out that this isn't the case."
"Please don't marry him."
"He fundamentally doesn't respect who you are."
"And to be honest, this would be a disturbing enough statement if you were a woman."
"You can't tie yourself down to this person." ~ HighRiseCat
"Yes! It would still be icky and questionable for him to say this if OP presented as a CIS female - but the fact that OP is a trans man makes it horrifying. WTF?!" ~ MarionberryOk2874
"NOR. I'm a cisgender, heterosexual married woman, so my experience with dating is very different from yours, but if my fiancé said 'She will be wearing a modest dress to get used to life as a married woman' or 'She needs to wear a low cut dress, so I can see what I'm buying' or anything along those lines, I would have called it off quickly."
"The dismissal of your identity is problematic as hell, but so is the little hint that married life will be radically different and not in a lovely, better way."
"Your wedding attire should reflect you, your identity, your values, comfort, and inspire confidence."
"You deserve that."
"Everyone deserves that." ~ ankareeda
"NOR, have a direct conversation with him about this, and don't get legally entangled with him."
"He shouldn't be thinking this is funny anyway; drunkness is not an excuse here, you're his partner of many years." ~ Fit_Square1322
"If these things that he says are coming out when he's drunk, that probably means he's thinking about these issues of your gender presentation, but he's not telling you what he's thinking."
"He sounds very emotionally immature and not ready for marriage." ~ GreenDirt2
"Bro, drunk words are sober thoughts with the volume turned up."
"Thought it was funny isn’t a defense."
"It’s a confession."
"He told his mom who he actually thinks you are."
"You survived your family cutting you off to live as you."
"You don’t owe anyone a second round of that grief because your fiancé can’t handle pronouns after 4 years." ~ BabydolllVibess
"Oh, my God??!!"
"Dude, that’s crazy. Please dump his as*."
"He clearly doesn’t see you as a man, and if you marry him, you’re resigning yourself to a life of being misgendered, and he’s probably gonna try and detransition you or feminize you (seeing as he wants you to wear a DRESS)."
"Also, I’m a trans dude, and I think it’s important that you hear a fellow trans man say this."
"You need to leave."
"You’re a man, and it’s insane that he’s trying to make you feel like you aren’t."
"The breakup will probably suck, but if you stay with him, it’ll be 100x worse." ~ mothmn_9
"NOR, I’ve learned drunk people usually speak more honestly than they mean to."
"I’d guess his mask slipped off; this is certainly grounds for leaving if he can’t accept who you are as you are." ~ Defiant_Tea_8722
"You’re not overreacting."
"I don’t think he actually respects you and who you are as a person."
"He called you feminine things all throughout your relationship."
"Maybe he never accepted you, and I’m sorry."
"I know that's a lot, but I know you will find someone who actually respects you and cares for you truly." ~ Due_Classic_4090
"Some people would tell you that people say things they don’t mean when they’re drunk. I think that’s BS."
"In my experience, it just removes their filter, and everything they say has an underlying truth to it."
"Knowing your gender identity and what you prefer, his words seem very disrespectful towards you and inconsiderate of your feelings, and being drunk isn’t a good enough excuse."
"If you have doubts, don’t just brush them off; trust your gut." ~ Kitchen_Process_8351
"NOR."
"I’m a cis woman, but my first serious relationship was with a trans man."
"Frankly, he was abusive, and I don’t even like or respect him, but still I would NEVER misgender him, because I sincerely understand that he’s a man."
"And I’m not an a**hole."
"Your partner is an a**hole." ~ tigalicious
"NOR. That’s a major breach of trust."
"Your relationship has gone on long enough for him to know that sh*t isn’t cool and is not a matter to joke over, even if he’s drunk (unless he has a drinking problem, in which case he needs to address that before marriage and work to make amends)." ~ Moist_Drippings
"NOR. It sounds like he might be counting on your gender identity to be 'just a phase' and that after the marriage, he’ll expect you to embody the 'wifely' role fully."
"He isn’t taking you seriously as a man, and it doesn’t sound like he’s actually on board for a homosexual marriage."
"Get out of there!" ~ Amwfgoddess
"NOR. My biggest concern is the potential for abuse - wifey duty?"
"Not even a conservative man says something like that."
"It's a pure trash statement."
"My first marriage was to an addict... 'DRUNKEN WORDS ARE SOBER THOUGHTS!'"
"😔 I'm so sorry. 🫂" ~ pashinates
OP returned with an UPDATE:
"I dont know if this is how you update, but anyway..."
"Mark and I are done."
"He came home from work an hour and a half ago, and I made him dinner so we could eat and talk."
"I told him what he said deeply hurt me, that I felt like he didn't respect me and saw me as a woman."
"He said that until recently he always saw me as a man, even though I'm the more feminine side (whatever that means), but since I've started taking testosterone, he realized he was less attracted to me and started to resent me."
"Which is f**king weird because my appearance didn't even change that much, and that he needed to take the 'lead' of the relationship again."
"By then, I had heard enough."
"I made it clear we were done and that this type of behavior was not okay and that it'll never be okay."
"That he had to go to therapy and work on his insecurities, but that I couldn't stay with him."
"At this point, he was apologizing and almost pleading with me to stay, but I really did not want to stay, so I took all my essentials and called my friend."
"I'm currently waiting for her to pick me up."
"I'm so confused about how someone I loved so much could betray me like that."
"I'll ask my friend and her husband if they can go back to take my other stuff later on because I really don't want to see him."
"I'm safe, my friend set me up in the guest bedroom, and I'm so grateful I have her."
"Mark and his family have been blowing up my phone."
"His mom, bless her heart, has only asked how I was and said that no matter what, she'll always see me as her son and that she's sorry about Mark's behavior, but his dad and brother have been sending me very insulting texts that included slurs."
"Mark threatened to 'go get me,' but luckily, he doesn't know where my friend lives."
"Honestly, I don't even recognize the man I was with."
"I'm thinking about moving to another city where I could live with my cousin until I'm back on my feet, but that's a whole other story."
"I'm planning to keep in contact with Mark's mom, and I'll be meeting up with her on Thursday."
"Thank you so much for opening my eyes and for making me realize Mark's behavior was not normal."
This is such a heartbreaking story.
So sorry you had to go through this, OP.
Reddit is loudly 1000% with you.
It's wonderful that you have love and support.
Stay strong.