It's 2024, and fortunately by this point, most of us find claims about what girls can do and what boys can do to be sexist, misogynistic, and, quite frankly, ridiculous and laughable.
But there are still people even now who buy into gender roles and stereotypes, cringed the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit, and some of us are even related to these people.
Redditor Ok_Funny_3589 had a decent relationship with her family-in-law, but she had noticed that her father-in-law (FIL) had a tendency to "rant" about gender roles whenever talking about her two daughters, who were his two granddaughters.
But when she became pregnant with a third daughter and realized how disappointed he was, the Original Poster (OP) decided it was time to shut his viewpoint down.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for asking my Father-in-Law (FIL) what century he's from when he reacted negatively to learning I'm pregnant with another girl?"
The OP and her husband were happily married with two, soon to be three, daughters.
"Hi! 36 (Female) here. My husband and I have two daughters (7 Female and 5 Female), and I'm currently six months pregnant with another girl."
"My husband and I adore our daughters and have never cared about the sex of any of our children. Our big concern has always been that they're healthy and happy."
"My little girls, however, are thrilled that they're having another little sister."
But the OP's relationship with her in-laws became more strained with her third baby announcement.
"I like my in-laws okay. They've been kind to me and my children, but they are a bit more traditional and conservative than me and my husband."
"On Sunday, we had dinner with my in-laws and told them that we're having another little girl."
"My FIL sighed, looked at my husband, apologized, and said we could always try for a fourth."
"My husband looked surprised and said he was thrilled we were having another girl and only wanted the baby to be healthy."
"I added that there is no way we're having a fourth (this one was a bit of a surprise)."
This led to a misogynistic rant.
"My FIL (who has three sons, by the way) started talking about how sons are different and that there are things you can do with them that you can't do with daughters."
"I'll note that he has a habit of going on long tangents where he doesn't really think about what he's saying."
"My husband isn't confrontational and my MIL is so used to him that I think she doesn't notice how offensive he can be at times."
The OP shut her father-in-law's commentary down.
"I usually ignore his tangents, but this time, both my baby girls were at the table, and he was basically saying that my husband would like having a son more."
"My oldest is very sensitive, and I could tell she was getting upset."
"I cut off my FIL and said something along the lines of, 'What century are you living in, Grandpa? Who would care about the sex of their baby?'"
The OP's response was met with criticism.
"The table got quiet, and my FIL looked upset. My MIL later called me and said I was disrespectful and owed my FIL an apology."
"I agreed I might have been harsh, but he should have thought about what he was saying in front of my children."
"My husband told me he thinks I was a bit harsh, but also agrees that my FIL shouldn't have said that in front of our kids, especially since he's never cared about the sexes of our kids."
"AITAH for my response to my FIL, and do I owe him an apology?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that she had not been rude in the slightest.
"NTA. That wasn't even rude, OP."
"What does he think you can do with boys that you can't do with girls? Pee off the side of a bridge without dropping your pants all the way?"
"I did plenty of 'boy' (eye roll) activities with my dad, hunting, skeet shooting, etc." - K_A_Irony
"I kinda feel like a 'f**k each of you for saying my daughter, IN FRONT OF MY DAUGHTER, is not good enough. We're going to be taking a very long, possibly permanent, break from you' is in order. What you said was totally reasonable and not a touch rude." - xasdfxx
"Your FIL owes you and your daughters an apology. Nothing you said was offensive."
"What he said was abusively misogynistic and belittled and shamed your daughters."
"Your MIL is wrong. What you said was not disrespectful, and you do not owe FIL an apology. Misogyny like your FIL's should never be tolerated. It should always be called out. NTA." - Neonpinx
"NTA. It wasn't even harsh. Inadvertently, he is presenting your children with the idea that they need to adhere to social gender norms and be limited in what they can and can't do with their dad." - izaby
"This guy seems like the classic 'patriarch.' I'd bet he's more upset that you talked back to him than he is about what was actually said. You disrespected his honor and hurt his little fee-fees." - Tinybabybutt
Others pointed out there was little, if anything, the FIL couldn't do with granddaughters.
"My grandpa said the only thing his granddaughters couldn't do was pee standing up."
"I took that as a personal challenge. He couldn't stop laughing when I accidentally peed on a deer. But I was standing up!" - Shibaspots
"Honestly, I would have asked, what things? The only thing I can really think of is a dad can't teach his daughter to pee standing up (at least not in the same way). You know your FIL would have gone off on tangents about traditional male things such as hunting, fishing, most sports, etc."
"That's when they 'why can't the girls do it?' question comes in, which is pretty much just asking him to explain what he means until he runs out of ways to explain it and either shut the f**k up or gets bad."
"MIL would still call it disrespectful, but so what? That would also show daughters that it's bs, and it doesn't matter what sex you are. There are very, very few things that are completely dependent on what sex you are." - Nymph_the_scribe
"I am one of five children, all girls. Growing up we did chores on the farm with our dad and went hunting and fishing at a young age with him. We also spent time inside baking and sewing with mom, and doing other projects."
"I no longer have a desire to go hunting, but I have valuable memories with my dad because he didn't treat us as if we NEEDED to stay inside baking or sewing." - NANJNJB
"My sister-in-law, one of two girls, had a rational dad. He was a navy guy and worked on engines on all types of vessels out of Norfolk. He also did his own repairs on the car, and my sister-in-law would hang over and watch and eventually assist."
"She grew up not only to rebuild and collect cars. She is a compounding pharmacist, too."
"My dad was not so sanguine about us girls. We never did the boy things. My brothers were favored as much as he was able to. Well, guess who was taking care of them in their old age and illness? Yep. The 'girls.'" - basketma12
"My mom is from a Hispanic family, and even though no one has ever outright said that she was less than her brother, it's incredibly obvious. She's rejected most of her heritage and clings to any bone her dad will throw her because she was raised to think she was less important than her brother."
"It's especially frustrating because he became a heroin addict, and she has been very successful."
"These 'casual' comments and 'harmless' tangents are heard. They are remembered. They leave scars whether he meant them to or not."
"OP's daughter isn't sensitive. She's observant. She's not stupid. Kids are sponges and he was being disrespectful, not the other way around." - EffectiveOne236
"My wife is the oldest of three girls. They learned everything from cooking and cleaning to firewood and working in the wood shop. We had two daughters ourselves - and truly, all I hoped for was healthy kids. Got my wish, and they are both now young adults."
"Both helped with everything and anything. Both went to college with a starter set of tools and basic car care knowledge as well as how to cook and take care of themselves and their home. Both have been deer hunting with me."
"The eldest is a great pistol shot and doesn't care for hunting. The youngest is already calling dibs on a rifle that is promised to me, plans to get back into hunting when college is over, and has already (jokingly?) referred to the garage and my tools and the charcoal grill as hers."
"That's just the start of what they've been able to accomplish and are capable of. They are also both avid readers, both were in band and softball, one was in track, and both have great work ethics. I told them from a very young age, don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't achieve something because you're a girl. Couldn't ask for two better kids!" - trazom28
While the subReddit could understand reading the room and being polite, they didn't even think what the OP said was rude to begin with, and ultimately the most important thing here was the message that was being sent to the OP's daughters.
Because of what the OP did, her daughters got the message loud and clear that however rude someone might be, the OP would always have her daughters' backs.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.