Baby names can be a bone of contention or a unifying factor in families.
My own first name is from my Grandmother who got it from her Grandmother who got it from hers going back to the early 1600s when a French fur trapper married the first Kanien'kéha:ka Haudenosaunee woman in my maternal line.
Quick genealogy tip: if you're of French descent in northern North America—the French in the southern regions and the Caribbean had a different focus—and your ancestors arrived before the Industrial Revolution and aren't Acadian, the likelihood of being part Indigenous is high.
Why?
The French settlers from the northern region and pre-Industrial Revolution era largely came to participate in the fur trade as trappers, buyers and exporters and were almost exclusively unmarried French Catholic men. When these men married, they either returned to France to find a wife and remained there to start families or they married North American Indigenous women—as did their sons and their sons' sons.
If North American Catholic church records show the bride was baptized with a Saint's name and married on the same day as her baptism, it's almost guaranteed she was Indigenous. And that's how my name came to be in our family.
It's not a name of Indigenous origin, but the women who had the name all were. In our family, my Germanic first name is a tie to our Indigenous heritage.
For Indigenous people's who were subjected to settler colonialism, maintaining ties to their ancestry holds challenges created by the governments in places like the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Indigenous languages and culture were outlawed until far more recently than most people realize and Indigenous children were taken to boarding schools—sometimes by force—to be assimilated into White culture.
The result was several "lost" generations with little connection to their cultural heritage.
A mother who wants her son to have ties to his father's culture through his name turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
MaterialBorn1116 asked:
"AITA for kicking my cousin out over a Reddit post?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I(28, female) and my husband (29, male) hosted my cousin (23, female) at our place since last summer because she wanted to find a job in our city and we were the only ones she knew. We aren't close, but my parents begged me to let her stay."
"My husband has very little native Australian blood, he doesn't know the language or culture, but we did name our newborn after his grandfather. Just our son's middle name—John Djarrtjuntjun Harrison (fake first and last names)."
"Well five months after our beautiful boy's birth, I met up with an old colleague who showed me a screenshot of my boy's name on a subReddit specifically to make fun of uncommon or misspelled names."
"Though the post has been deleted, my colleague screenshot it because she thought it sounded familiar."
"In the comments she remarked the OP had also made snide comments about my child's name. With people cheering her on."
"We dug a little further and I could confirm it was my cousin's profile. From her interests to her pictures posted."
"Me and my husband confronted her about it and she said the majority agreed with her that it was a stupid and horrendous name. She also said it didn't matter that it was a cultural name, since my husband can't speak the language and isn't even involved in the culture."
"My husband was livid and we decided to kick her out."
"She has since blasted us on Facebook and family group chat about kicking her out in a foreign city since she was jobless and we are setting our son up for failure with a name like that."
"She also said she was doing us a favour by showing us how horrible of a name it was. However, I don't see that as the case as it was posted almost a year ago and she seemed to have no intention to reveal her thoughts to us otherwise."
"So I would like to know, am I really the a**hole?"
The OP later added:
"I saw their post on the other subReddit. Let me clarify the fake names in my post were John and Harrison because they're very basic White names in Australia."
"Djarrtjuntjun is our son's actual middle name. There's actually quite a few of them here in my city."
"Mandawuy Djarrtjuntjun Yunupingu is a famous person with that same exact middle name for reference purposes."
"The reason why my husband is very distanced from his Indigenous culture—would you guys like to take a guess what colonialism did to Australia's Aboriginals?"
"Even though my husband isn't connected to his culture, he is recognised. His name is in the local community center for Aboriginal descent and we get invited for Aboriginal festivals."
"He also has an Aboriginal middle name which he hardly uses professionally, but he never had a problem with it being mocked."
The OP summed up their situation.
"I might be the a**hole for kicking my cousin out over a Reddit that may be right. I might be letting my anger overtake my decisions."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA. Your cousin abused your hospitality by making fun of your son's middle name. There is no excuse for this."
"She effed around and found out the consequences. And she never did plan on telling you about the post - she was just looking for likes and followers for her profile." ~ Comfortable-Sea-2454
"Honesty, OP should respond to her Facebook post with how they kicked her out because she is a racist and mocking aboriginal culture." ~ Wise-ish_Owl
"Did she not know why many Aboriginal Australians don't know their languages? Like, she's young enough to have been educated in school on the stolen generation, FFS. NTA." ~ echidnaberry87
"We destroyed more languages than most regions have ever spoken." ~ BlackJesus1001
"I wasn't even born in Australia, I'm White enough to be used as an emergency beacon and even I know about the stolen generation. Cousin was way out of line, NTA." ~ QuestionableIdeas
"NTA and that subReddit is also not for mocking meaningful middle names with cultural background/specifications." ~ Danube_Kitty
"Wanted to mention that. That subReddit is for misspellings and invented names, cultural names are fine as long as they're written the way they are culturally/traditionally written." ~ Ezra_lurking
"Unfortunately, you can find racists all over the place. NTA." ~ LonelyMenace101
"Please respond to her Facebook post in detail by emphasising how racist she is with the context of the Aboriginals. And like you said, if she was really concerned, she should have gone to you rather than looking for karma on Reddit. Then send her this post so that she knows how she FAFOed." ~ PsychologicalSense53
"NTA. I think I can understand your husband. I'm 50% Native American in the United States and lived on two different reservations."
"However, I know very very little of my culture because my dad's side I didn't get the chance due to custody issues and favoritism from certain family members."
"My mom's side, her and my grandma didn't want to share more. So from my grandma the only things I got from her is my native name, learning to bead barely, and an identity crisis in my early teens."
"I wonder what your cousin would've thought of me then? Because I'm literally enrolled and received benefits, but like I said, I know so little of my traditions."
"If your husband wants to—and I always encourage other natives—check into your local area for support groups. I found out recently there's a group for my tribe to learn our culture."
"I plan to be involved once my little girl gets older so we can attend together. It's never too late to learn and totally okay in wanting to learn."
"I almost gave my baby girl part of my native name—it's Mahto (maa-toe) means bear but my full native name is Mahto Cinca (chin-cha) which is bear child."
"I think it's awesome you are trying to preserve the culture and honoring his grandfather at the same time." ~ TheAnnMain
"Putting aside being incredibly rude and your cousin biting the hand that feeds her, I think your family is missing a key point here. Your cousin is racist."
"She is making fun of a name from your husband's culture because it's 'different'. That is so fricked up. It doesn't matter your husband doesn't have more cultural connections especially considering why."
"My great grandmother was Lakota Sioux. My great grandfather was Holland Dutch and got disowned for marrying her."
"I find her & my great grandfather's stories cool and interesting, but I know very little about Lakota Sioux culture. She didn't know much because she was taken from her family by missionaries as a child."
"That doesn't diminish fact that this is her/my culture; it was just stolen from us. NTA, obviously." ~ KimB-booksncats-11
"NTA. Sorry about all the family backlash you're getting OP. People outside of Australia just don't understand this is a totally different situation to 'my great great great grandpa was from Ireland so I'm Irish even though I know nothing about Ireland or Irish culture'."
"Because of the White Australia policy and the stolen generations, you don't have to be 100% or even 50% blak to be able to connect with community and your Aboriginality. I hope you can ignore all those people, because they have literally no idea what they're on about."
"And for what it's worth, I don't think anyone is going to make fun of your son's name. They'll automatically recognise it as an Aboriginal name because you're in Australia."
"You were already perfectly entitled to use the name you did, but if you're being invited to an Aboriginal festival by Aboriginal people, that's even more of a confirmation. I'd say your husband is also entitled to connect with his mob and learn more about his culture—especially so since he had a relationship with his grandfather."
"They would understand that some people only connect with their identity later in life!" ~ ParmyNotParma
"NTA. Second names are frequently ones that have special meaning to the family, but can be unusual because they are seldom used or commonly known."
"You could be friends with someone for years without knowing their middle name. Your son's name will likely give him a special pride in his heritage." ~ Maximum-Swan-1009
"NTA. Tell her there is this guy who is actually only about 1/4-1/8 Hawaiian from his dad's side with a really weird Hawaiian first name professionals said would ruin his chances at a career. His name is Keanu and everybody knows his name, but no one mocks it." ~ KnightofForestsWild
Indigenous names aren't jokes to be mocked.
The fact OP's cousin chose to is the reason that cousin is now facing consequences.
FAFO, indeed.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.