Children of divorced parents often find themselves splitting holidays. But what about when they become adults?
Is there any obligation to give equal time to each parent? And what about their spouse or their own children?
A husband whose wife is trying to juggle her divorced parents' demands turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
Buckupaita asked:
"AITA For refusing to attend family events on my wife's side unless she stands up for herself?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"My wife (35, female) and I (36, male) have been married for 4 years and have 2 kids—age 3 and 1. My wife's parents divorced when she was a teenager and both her mom and dad have since remarried."
"There is a lot of competition between her mom, dad, and stepmom in terms of 'family time'. Everything has to be equal."
"Meaning if we spend an afternoon with her mom, then we have to do the same thing with her dad and stepmom. Mom and stepmom especially put a lot of pressure on my wife and guilt trip her about it."
"My wife has a lot of trouble standing up for herself and saying 'no'. Before we had kids, this wasn't as big of a deal."
"If we had to attend 2-3 different Thanksgivings or Xmas gatherings, not a huge deal. I mean, it sucked, but it wasn't the end of the world."
"Now though, with 2 young kids, it's exhausting and I absolutely hate it."
"My wife and I have had numerous talks about her setting boundaries about this because I am at the end of my rope with it. The bickering and pressure is constant and the need to keep everything 'equal' essentially determines our entire non-work schedule."
"We had to attend 2 separate Easter events this Spring—we're not even religious—because we went to one with her mom, so we 'had' to do one with her dad and stepmom. After that, I told my wife I was done with this BS."
"I told her that she needs to stand up to her parents and start setting boundaries and saying 'no'. I told her I won't allow her parents to continue to dictate how we live our lives. I told her if she is incapable of doing this, then I will absolutely step in and tell them off."
"But she begged me not to do that because she doesn't want to ruffle feathers and promised she would do better. Of course, that didn't happen."
"We ended up having to run around to 3 separate places on Memorial Day weekend because of this same stuff. After we got home from the last stop, I told my wife I am done with this and will now pick and choose which things I want to go to."
"I won't stop her from going and I will stay home with one or both kids if she doesn't want to take them, but I'm done."
"Lo and behold, this past weekend she was talking to her mom and 4th of July came up. My father-in-law had already invited us to his house for a pool day and my wife told her mom about it."
"So, of course we have to do something with them that weekend as well. When my wife told me about this, I told her that I will not be attending both and I will choose if I want to attend either."
"My wife must have vented to her mom about this because a couple days later, I got a call from my wife's stepdad—the only sane person in this, really. He told me that he completely agrees with me and that he's talked with his wife numerous times about not pressuring my wife, but she doesn't listen either."
"He suggested that whenever his wife pressures my wife into keeping things 'equal', that he and I go golfing together instead. When I told my wife about this idea, she called me a jerk and told me I'm being unsupportive."
"Time spent with my side of the family is drastically smaller than the amount we spend with her side. Thankfully, my parents are not insane and feel bad for my wife's situation."
"But I do miss spending extended time with them over holidays rather than rushing from place to place to see everybody. We live about 20 minutes from both her mom and dad, but in opposite directions from our house. My parents live about 90 minutes away."
"This might shock you, but my in-laws' ability to be civil with each other in social settings is pretty limited. We do things separately for a reason."
"It's definitely come up during our multiple talks about this. I've gotten messages from my older brother expressing his frustration that all of our family events are now scheduled around when my wife has time between her family obligations."
"Or us showing up for only a couple hours because we have to be somewhere else. My wife got upset with him last Thanksgiving because we missed the meal that he hosted because we were running to too many places."
"Instead of leaving food out for us to heat up, he purposely made up one of those tinfoil swan to-go bags because he 'knew we wouldn't have time to actually stay and eat'."
The OP summed up their situation.
"My wife's parents are divorced and she gets a lot of pressure from both sides to keep their relationships 'equal' in terms of time spent together. I hate it and told my wife that I will not be attending every single thing that her mom and dad pressure her to do."
"Her stepdad and I now have a plan to go golfing together instead. I think I might be an a**hole for refusing to attend every family event my wife gets pressured into because she can't say no."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors unanimously declared the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA, but you two need to work on this to find a solution."
"Personally, the solution should be along the lines of telling everyone 'With two young kids, it is just not possible to keep running around to different households for events and holidays. We are finding we don't have time to establish our own traditions with the children because we are trying to "keep the peace" between you two'."
"'With this in mind, we will be alternating holidays, and choosing to skip some that we will want to keep to ourselves. Should we host, invitations will be extended to everyone, and we expect a civil gathering. If you don't feel you can contribute to that environment for the sake of the kids, then please RSVP "No." Thank you for understanding'."
"Your wife calling you unsupportive just reads as she needs someone to stand up for her because she doesn't want to do it for herself. Have a talk with your wife about how exhausting this is for you."
"Focus on wanting to spend more quiet time with her and the kids instead of not wanting to do things with her family."
"Let her know while your family has been understanding about this, she has been rushing you all around for the sake of 'fairness' in consideration to her family's needs, but has been so overwhelmed and flustered, your family has been getting the short end of the stick."
"If she truly wanted fairness, she would be considering their wants as well."
"I really empathize with you here. Both my husband and my parents are divorced, so holidays can be a mess."
"We finally set the boundary of 'You got Christmas/Thanksgiving/etc... last year, so this year we are doing it with *insert family*'. We got some guilt-trippy responses at first, but we stuck to our guns on this one, and it's been pretty smooth for the last six years or so." ~ Discount_Mithral
"Possibly hearing from a neutral third party that 'MA'AM, your mother and step-mother are making irrational demands, are doing the "but SHE got X so *I* should get X too" like a couple of kindergarteners, and apparently have more concern for shoring up their own egos or "beating" the other mom than they do for the strain this puts on your own family, WTAF‽‽' will make her see the light."
"Hell, I'd do what the kids of divorced parents USUALLY do—alternate holidays with each family. This year mom and stepdad get Thanksgiving and Easter, next year they get Xmas and 4th of July or whatever."
"And if they can't get down with THAT, then fine—NONE OF THEM gets to see you on ANY holiday—from now on you do all of them by yourselves at home or with friends, and you will do dinner with each of them once or twice a month, NO MORE." ~ OrigamiStormtrooper
"NTA. My parents divorced when I was two. I alternated holidays with them until I was an adult."
"Then I sometimes didn't spend a holiday with them so I could have my own traditions. My family also was just fine celebrating a holiday on a different day instead of the official calendar date."
"Nobody's going to die and the holiday isn't going to be less special if you celebrate the weekend before or after." ~ Spinnerofyarn
"I get the feeling that OP's wife is getting something out of giving into the demands. She complains but she won't let her husband speak up and put a stop to it. And she doesn't stop saying yes to everything either."
"IN FACT, she even goes so far as to TELL her mother she's going to see her father for July 4th. Why is she sharing that info‽‽ She bloody well KNOWS it's going to mean they get told to spend equal time with her mom. Then she goes and tells her mom about her husband not wanting to come over!"
"This woman has some serious enmeshment/codependency with her mom/stepmom and it is feeding her ego to be so 'selfless' for family. Or it's feeding some other drive. Bc obviously it's not bothering her enough to put a stop to it."
"I think OP has done enough. He's enforcing boundaries around his OWN time. He's not placing demands on his wife or trying to control her behaviour."
"He's simply telling her that he will no longer run himself ragged trying to attend all the things his wife keeps agreeing to. That's perfect. That's what a therapist would advise him to do."
"NTA. I think the best course of action is for OP to follow through. Hopefully his wife will see he's actually serious about sticking to his guns and she'll get tired of giving into every demand of her parents. Or she won't. But OP will be a whole lot happier." ~ Epsilon_and_Delta
Being the rope a tug-of-war between parents is difficult for a child. It should get better when they become adults.
At some point, OP's wife needs to be responsible for her own choices. Her parents aren't able to force her to run from place to place each holiday.
Setting his own boundaries sounds like the best thing OP can do.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.