Weddings are known for being full of endless joy.
Even if that joy always comes in tandem with a significant amount of stress and anxiety.
And that anxiety is often owing to money.
Sometimes from the cost of the wedding, or in the case of Redditor destinyweddingthrow's family, the expense of merely getting there.
But concerned he might have been rather too unsympathetic towards his family, the original poster (OP) took to the subReddit "Am I The A**hole" (AITA), asking fellow Redditors:
"AITA For not contributing to my family's expenses related to my wedding?"
The OP first filled fellow Redditors in on his and his fiancée's wedding plans and the joy and challenges they posed.
"My fiancée (26 F[emale]) and I (28 M[ale]) are getting married at a destination wedding next summer."
"The destination is special to my fiancée as she vacationed there with her family a couple times when she was younger and it holds sentimental value to her."
"I was open to the idea since I am pretty indifferent when it comes to wedding planning and this seemed like an easy way to check a lot of boxes at once, plus the added bonus of my fiancée getting a wedding she dreamed about."
"Of course, the downfall of a destination wedding is that people might not be able to attend."
"We expected this and had a lot of conversations about making sure we don't take anything personally if people can't attend and were very clear to the people we asked to be in our wedding party about the cost and expectations."
"There were a couple friends I asked to be groomsmen that had to decline due to them having young kids and I totally get that and respect it."
"I'm not an idiot, my wedding is not more important than your kids to you."
However, the OP revealed his family had different expectations as to how this situation would be handled.
"This hasn't been as much of a problem with my fiancée's side as her family comes from money and destination weddings are kind of the norm for them."
"In the time we've dated I think 4-5 of her cousins have had destination weddings, but we only attended one of them and there was no fuss on anyone's part about the ones we didn't go to."
"My family however, does not come from money."
"When I told my parents and siblings about our wedding plans, they all kind of freaked out about not being able to afford it."
"I get it, my siblings have kids and expenses too."
"I told them I understand if it's not something they are able to afford and I while I would love for them to be there, I won't hold it against them if they can't make it work."
"My parents have guilted me over it a little bit, but have assured me they will be attending."
"However, they told me that we should all pool some money together (and by 'all' they mean mostly me) to make sure all my siblings and their families can attend."
"I told them there is pretty much no way I can do that."
"My 2 sisters got wind of this idea (probably from my mom) and they said that the only way they can attend is if I help pay for at least half of their trips for their whole families, kids included."
"I kind of laughed at that and told them there is no way I will do that."
"They said that since I am the one who decided to have a destination wedding that it is my responsibility to make sure my family can all attend."
"I told them that I love them and would love to have them at my wedding, but I am not funding vacations for their entire family."
"I said the only way I would even consider it would be if it was just them and their spouses, no kids. They said that excluding their kids was not acceptable."
"They told me that I have turned into a stuck-up a**hole since I got engaged and I am rubbing my fiancée's money in their faces."
"They accused me of having a destination wedding on purpose to rub it in their faces that they can't afford something it."
"It was suggested to me that I add a comment I made to this post."
"'It hurts them to watch you choose money over their participation in your life; it hurts them to be excluded from the wedding of their close loved one.'"
"Meh, they don't really show much interest in my life anyway."
"Sh*t, when my sisters face-timed me to complain, it was the first time either of them had taken the time to call me in almost 18-months."
"I am 10-years younger than my older sister and 8-years younger than the other."
"I have been an afterthought in their lives ever since they started having kids."
"I don't hold it against them, I get it."
"Their families are the most important things in their lives."
"I make sure to send cards for each of their kids on every birthday, gifts for every kid at Xmas."
"I don't even get a text from them on my birthday."
"Maybe you're right."
"Maybe I'm kidding myself into thinking I actually want them there and this is just my subconscious reminding me that they DGAF about me unless they think they can get something out of it."
"But for them to act like they actually care about my important life events kind of makes me laugh now that I think about it."
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they felt the OP fell in this particular situation.
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors were somewhat divided on the OP's behavior regarding his family and the wedding.
Some took the OP's side, saying he was doing the right thing by giving his fiancée the dream wedding she always wanted, particularly as he doesn't seem to be very close to his family.
"A wedding is about the couple getting married, not the people attending."
"If OP truly doesn't care about how/where they get married, and is fine with letting fiancée have her dream wedding, then who cares what anybody else thinks?"
"OP, don't start your married life by catering to people who use but family to try to get more from you than you're willing to give."
"You and your fiancée are beginning your own little family unit now, and your loyalty needs to be to one another."
"You offered a reasonable compromise that was very generous."
"They declined."
"Yes, it might be disappointing to 'miss out,' but they're adults."
"They'll get over it."
"Your family can still attend virtually, and it would be super easy to set it up."
"They could come up with all kinds of creative ways to be involved if this was truly about wanting to be there for you."
"A video montage. Pre-recorded 'toasts.' A blessing from Gramps/Grams if you're into that."
"Chipping in for the honeymoon suite to be decked out with fiancée's favorite flowers and OPs favorite wine/treats/whatever, or vice versa."
"Family looks for ways to contribute to a couple's happiness."
"NTA."
"It's your wedding, do what you want, and if people are more upset about how you get married than they are happy for you that you are getting married, I wouldn't waste my time and energy worrying about them." - ScarletPimprnel
"NTA."
"You would be the ah if you expected people to come."
"I think a lot of people forget the point of a destination wedding is it can be a great wedding but cuts out a lot of drama/ cost."
"When you have one it's with the understanding a lot of people can't come."
"Your siblings aren't really involved in your life."
"I guess a way of looking at this is if they really really wanted to they could find a way."- Boring_Match40
Others felt the OP should have taken into account his family wouldn't be able to afford the trip when he and his fiancée started planning.
"I'm torn between E S H and N A H."
"You're allowed to have the wedding you want."
"Your family shouldn't demand you fund their travels."
"But you can't pretend you didn't know they wouldn't be able to come."
"It's okay that you don't mind, but they might mind not being able to attend your wedding."
"It would be a very nice gesture to later have a reception locally that family and friends who couldn't travel could attend."
"You don't have to. You're not the a**hole if you don't. But it would be nice."
"[edit] Given the update, I'd say NTA."
"But if you DO have a good relationship with your parents and want them to be there, it would be very kind of you to help them out in some way, if you can comfortably do so." - dealbreakerstalkshow
"Oy vey."
"It sounds like you have carefully crafted expectations where you are understanding if people don't or can't come."
"But you didn't anticipate there would be people who wanted to come and feel unable to do so."
"While you have made peace with proceeding without them in attendance, they feel hurt because, although invited, they are unable to attend."
"If you truly feel that contributing to the pot makes you a defacto vacation underwriter, then offer to do a smaller gathering more local to them."
"Essentially, they are family and want to show up for you."
"If you dismiss their attempts as unnecessary and aren't bothered by their absence, then it is what it is, and they're likely expressing the underlying hurt behind that fact."
"Imagine your wedding day surrounded by your fiancée's family and all the photography and memories on that day will reflect those people in attendance."
"It does set up an expectation of pay to play that will leave your family out."
"Distance in expenses and budgets can cast long shadows in not only participation but expectation of events and social connections."
"Money has an odd seductive power that can command all kinds of things."
"Is that what you want driving the bus or would you prefer other values to be acknowledged and included in your decision making?"
"Ask yourself if you are comfortable establishing a pattern of hosting events where her family is comfortable but your family is unable to come."- purpleit11
"ESH."
"Yeah, sure, it's your wedding."
"No, you don't need to pay for anyone to attend."
"But saying you'd love for them to come is deeply disingenuous when you've set this up (or allowed it to be set up, rather) in a way you know only really works for your fiancee and her family - and while I'm not recommending you throw her under the bus, I think you need to stop treating your family like idiots and just acknowledge you don't actually care whether they're there or not." -mm172
One can only hope the OP can come to a resolution with his family where there is no love lost.
And whatever the outcome, here's hoping his wedding day is a happy one.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.