Boundaries can be a way to keep relationships balanced.
They can be especially important for new parents raising children.
Some family members need to have boundaries on them so parents can parent their way.
But certain people live to break or ignore boundaries.
This can lead to messy situations.
Redditor Possible_State4774 wanted to discuss her experience and get some feedback, so naturally, she came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
She asked:
"WIBTA, if I told my fiancé and my MIL, I would no longer buy groceries for my baby."
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"So backstory before I get into it, I (23 F[emale]) gave birth to my son last summer."
"My M[other]-I[n]-L[aw] was VERY involved in my pregnancy, which I was very thankful for."
"When I gave birth, that support turned into possessive behavior."
"I could list off scenarios, but this post would be a book... lol."
"I have addressed this several times with my fiancé (24 M[ale])."
"He will tell me he will talk with his mom, but nothing seems to change."
"My relationship was GREAT with my MIL up until she kinda started to play mommy with my son."
"I've set boundaries, and somehow they apply to everyone but her."
"Again, it's an ongoing battle, and my fiancé isn't supportive or just brushed it off."
"So currently, my baby is starting solids now, and I will prep food and buy snacks that I know he likes, but my MIL will buy whatever snacks she has and will feed him that."
"My MIL IS NOT my babysitter, we have a family member watching him at my MIL's house."
"She will buy groceries for my son and has introduced foods, etc."
"I am at a point where I don't want to buy him groceries as the food I pack is just left untouched or it starts to go bad in my fridge."
"I do have farm animals that eat said food."
"I have told my babysitter to feed him what I pack, but then she tells me she was told there was food for him my MIL bought."
"I also want to start taking my son to my Mom's as I know my MIL won't have any control over him, but the commute is 30 minutes one way, and I would have to wake him up at 5 am."
"I'm not sure what to do."
The OP was left to wonder:
"AITA?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed some options to the question AITA:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared OP was NOT the A**hole.
"The fact that your babysitter is cleaning for MIL and feeding your child MIL's food when you told her to feed the food you provided means your babysitter isn't willing to go against MIL's preferences for yours."
"Which means your babysitter isn't working for you, she's working for your MIL."
"You know your MIL is watching your child while your 'babysitter' is cleaning MIL's house, right?"
"This isn't working for you."
"It will continue to not work for you as long as your child is being watched in MIL's home."
"Change to your house."
"That may mean changing babysitters." ~ purplstarz
"NTA. You have a babysitter problem, a MIL problem, and a fiancé problem."
"The first two can be fixed by going to your mother's."
"The last one needs to be fixed before you marry that man as I can see his unwillingness to support you in this as the tip of the iceberg of future problems." ~ KizzyHew
"NTA. Time to find a new babysitter who comes to your house AND has orders to not let MIL in."
"Also, it's time to ask your fiance who he wants to be married to: you or his mommy." ~ plm56
"NTA, but get some self-respect."
"Have the babysitter at your house or get a new one."
"Cut this controlling lady out of your life as soon as possible, or you'll have 18+ years of hell." ~ kfilks
"Wake up earlier and drive to your mom's would be solution 1."
"But, you now have a kid with this man better buckle up this will be the norm for a minimum of 18 years."
"I'd advise not getting married."
"NTA if you get your a** up and drive it's 30 minutes not 2 hours each way." ~ NoFlight5759
"YWBTA to yourself."
"If you let your MIL prevail in dictating what food your child eats instead of your food, she won't stop overstepping."
"You need to change the childcare arrangements because your babysitter is more your MIL's employee than yours if the mindset is that MIL is the final decision maker about what goes on her home with your child."
"Giving up on buying the groceries is a spineless choice." ~ wildferalfun
"NTA - But you are kind of AH adjacent, if for no other reason than you seem to be floundering between what you need to do and what you want to do."
"You can't control what she does."
"She will never adhere to your rules."
"So if you don't want your MIL to replace you as your child's mother, you have to get the baby away from her."
"You can't have it both ways."
"Stop being so passive and draw a hard line."
"You need to go mama bear on her."
"Stop trying to get your husband to handle her."
"He won't."
"Stop thinking she will magically become the MIL you once knew."
"That was an act to placate you until she could get her hands on your kid."
"Your baby deserves better."
"This is what motherhood is."
"Nothing is more important than protecting your child."
"You are the mother."
"She is the grandmother."
"Both of you need to remember your roles.
"Or just accept that you have been replaced."
"So what are you going to do about it?" ~ PomegranateReal3620
"This!!! This is what it boils down to."
"I personally think OP needs to move in with her mother or some other friend or family member."
"She should let your fiancè know that things have gotten to the point that she can no longer live with/near MIL, and she doesn't feel comfortable with her around L[little] O[ne]."
"She should tell him she's moving to her mom's and he can come visit LO whenever he likes."
"If he wants to try to make it work, couples counseling is non-negotiable, and OP and LO will not live with MIL, and MIL will have no access to LO until some serious boundaries are put in place."
"If your fiancè doesn't agree, then file for custody immediately so that if your finacè or MIL tries to take the baby, you can legally get LO back
It wouldn't have come to this if your fiancè had originally taken your concerns seriously, set boundaries, and enforced them with his mother."
"He didn't do that, and this is the result of his inaction." ~ basketcaseofbananas
"You have a babysitter problem."
"The babysitter should be feeding him what YOU told her to."
"You have a boyfriend problem."
"The boyfriend should be setting limits (and clearly isn't)."
"Why can't the babysitter watch him at your house?"
"Whatever the answer is, you're right that you need to separate your kid from your MIL."
"But you also have a longer, ongoing boyfriend problem."
"Why isn't he backing you up?"
"You've got almost two decades to co-parent with him, and he needs to be on board." ~ sanityjanity
"There are so many red flags here."
"Do not marry this man if he's already choosing his mommy over you.'
"Suck the commute up and take the kid to your mom's."
"Your MIL is getting creepy and overstepping, and you need to remove her from the equation. NTA." ~ ImNot4Everyone42
"That was my thought."
"He's not actually backing her."
"He says he is, and I bet he doesn't actually say anything to his mom."
"That would upset Mommy - can't have that!"
"MIL needs to be removed before she gets even more control."
"Next, she might sue for custody since she's been supplying food for the baby and caretaking has been happening in her home."
"She might claim her home is more fit."
"Unlikely to win, but incredibly stressful for all." ~ sparkvixen
"If you want control over your child and what he eats and how he is raised, you need to look for other child care options."
"Look into local daycares."
"If you can't afford that, ask them about private and government programs that offer assistance."
"Call the United Way helpline at 211 or check their website to see if they have resources that will help."
"To answer your question, no YWNBTA for not bringing food that is ultimately going to waste."
"You can offer to pay for the food she buys if it's from an approved list of foods." ~ Glinda-The-Witch
"You need to grip this now, even if it means changing babysitters."
"Your MIL wants control over your child and is not respecting you as a parent. NTA." ~ Individual_Metal_983
"NTA. You have a fiance problem and a mil problem."
"You're engaged to a momma's boy and not in the cute way."
"Time to move in with your mom and ensure your kid is getting the care you want for them."
"Call off the engagement until your fiance takes back his spine from mommy dearest." ~ R4eth
"NTA: Two things I think are true..."
"As long as anything related to your child happens in her home, your MIL is going to be the boss."
"Your fiancè supports his mom, not you, in this conflict."
"He might say he's going to talk to her, but obviously, he's not doing anything to oppose her."
"Make your plans understanding those two things." ~ Deep-Okra1461
"NTA, but this all seems like a series of power plays and manipulation, to be honest."
"I would figure out something else childcare-wise and just stop the back and forth with MIL altogether."
"For now, it's food; next week, it will be something else she is controlling."
"Sitter is clearly is answering to her and not prioritizing your kid if she's also doing other work there."
"Just take her to your Mom's or find a different sitter at your house." ~ Potential-Region8045
"Has your mom met you halfway?"
"Or just put your foot down to the babysitter that it doesn't matter what MIL has eaten in her house."
"Baby is only to be given the food that you pack."
"And tell MIL the same."
"Put on your big girl pants and lay down the law."
"You are NTA, but also, I don't think this is the solution to the problem." ~ emilouwho687
"NTA other than to yourself and your child."
"You have way bigger issues than your MIL. You and your fiancé need to be a united team, especially when it comes to your child."
"He isn't defending you, he isn't supporting you, and he is ok with his mother undermining your relationship with him, your relationship with your child, and your decisions as a mother."
"This is only going to get worse."
"He is always going to put his mother above you."
"It's time for you and your son to both go stay with your mother."
"You both deserve better." ~ i_kill_plants2
"NTA. I am not a morning person, but if I could tell new mom me to wake up at 5 am and drive the 30 minutes or 1 to my Mom's so that my MIL wouldn't try to play mommy- I absolutely would jump at that!!"
"My ex-MIL failed at raising 2 boys and inserted herself to try and raise her grandkid."
"I was young and dumb and thought she was being helpful."
"She wasn't."
"OP, take the baby to your Mom's."
"If MIL has any issue, tell fiancé that he needs to handle his mom because as it is right now, she will be on supervised visits with you (OP) only."
"She's proven she can't be trusted."
"And you can't trust fiancé to have your back." ~ Exciting-Peanut-1526
"Can you move in with your mom?"
"This situation is only going to get worse as your son gets older."
"Your fiancè has proven incapable of standing up to his mommy."
"You don't want to marry this man unless you want to marry MIL. NTA." ~ Bloodrayna
"You need to find yourself alternative day care and remove this kid from your MIL's influence."
"Yes, influence."
'Because if this continues, she may decide that she's the mommy and start encouraging your child to call her that, which would be confusing."
"Or she'll badmouth you to him."
"Get this kid out of there and tell your baby daddy that he needs to shape up or you're gonna ship out."
"NTA for what you're asking, but I wouldn't let her have that kind of control." ~ WhizGidget
"NTA. You have a baby daddy problem."
"Not a MIL problem."
"Have the sitter come to your house or find another." ~ redditavenger2019
"NTA. Also, you may want to reconsider marrying this guy."
"Just saying." ~ Malphas43
"You were just a surrogate for your mother-in-law and her son's child."
"Do what you need to do."
"Wake up at 5:00 a.m. NTA." ~ MyDogsNameIsToes
"NTA, but you don't have any boundaries."
"You have suggestions." ~ teatimecookie
"NTA. Instead of stopping buying your own, chuck hers in the bin just until she gets the message." ~ Mrs_B-
OP came back with some extra information and an update...
"I may not have specified this, but I will still buy my son his groceries for our home."
"I would have my MIL use/buy food instead of me packing his meals."
"My MIL works, but she is a manager, so she leaves when she pleases."
"She sees my baby every day."
"When she doesn't, she will call and text my fiancé that she 'needs' to see him."
"Regarding the cost, we split the cost as I pay her for babysitting and my MIL pays her for the other chores."
"Like I mentioned previously, there are A LOT of more reasons why I feel the way I do."
"To list a few, she fed into my P[ost]P[artum] D[epression] as she took charge when my son was a newborn."
"I didn't have a backbone then because I was going through a lot."
"She wants my son to call her mama, she also has claimed that my son is a way for her to have a " second chance."
"I spoke with my fiancé about it, and he understood where I was coming from."
"I offered just to drop off the groceries at my MIL."
"That didn't change anything."
"So I am now taking my son to my mom, which caused some talk about 'how it's so much harder for him and how my son will have to adjust.'"
"He's fine and thriving."
"We can all guess who that came from 😅."
"My MIL has offered to pick him up so we don't make a commute into town, and I've declined."
"However, she has now only asked my fiancé, to which he will agree to (thinking I was aware)."
"My mom is aware of everything and will only release him to me or my fiancé unless she is told otherwise."
"I am very disappointed and feel like I am going to extremes, but I'm just so tired of literally fighting to be THE MOTHER to my son."
"I am now looking to move out of the compound and live far to create distance."
"I'm pretty sure she'll find a way to manipulate my fiancé into feeling bad."
This is a distressing situation, OP.
Reddit has your back.
This is about a lot more than food.
Something must be done about this woman.
She has complete disrespect for you and her son.
Maybe you should ask your fiancé to go with you to a therapist.
Perhaps a neutral third party can explain it to him in a way he'll understand more clearly.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.