Setting boundaries and doling out punishments is part of the parenting experience.
In the younger years, statistically, this isn't going to go over well.
There will be yelling and drama.
And sometimes the parent is in the wrong.
It's all a chess match.
Redditor Then-Imagination-683 wanted to discuss her experience and get some feedback. So naturally, she came to visit the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit.
She asked:
"AITA for grounding my 15-year-old daughter after she colored her hair?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"As a disclaimer, I have nothing against colored hair or people who choose to color their hair."
"My hair was bright green as a teenager, LOL."
"My daughter Alexis (not her real name) is 15."
"She has been dancing recreationally since she was 3 years old and has been doing competitive dance since she was 9 years old."
"She has nationals coming up, which is basically a very big and important dance comp where studios from surrounding states come to this big convention center in the city and compete."
"She is also obsessed with Paramore, thanks to my husband who has taken her to many of their live shows."
"She idolizes Hayley Williams and has wanted to dye her hair like Hayley's for a few years now."
"This year for her birthday, she wants to dye her whole head neon orange."
"I told her absolutely not because she's not allowed to have any unnatural hair colors for nationals and other conventions/comps that are coming up."
"She is very well aware of this rule because it is the standard in the competitive dance world."
"I've already paid all of the entry fees and cannot get a refund for this year."
"I told her that once nationals and all the mandatory conventions are over, she can color her hair however she wants."
"She did not like this answer and stomped off to her room."
"I figured I would just let her be, and eventually, she would come around."
"I was wrong."
"She went to a sleepover at her friend's house about a week ago and came back with the same bright orange hair I told her she could not have."
"I was cooking when she walked into the house and nearly dropped the knife I was using."
"I was extremely upset and asked her what she was thinking."
"She gave me some excuse which I can't remember, then rolled her eyes and said something along the lines of 'It's just hair dye, it'll come out before nationals.'"
"I was livid, and shouted at her (which I'll admit I'm not proud of) and she ran off to her room in tears."
"She knows better, and I'm completely dumbfounded as to why she thought it would be okay, considering nationals is in two weeks."
"She's washed her hair at least 6 times in the last few days, and the orange is still stuck."
"I bought color remover and let it sit on her hair for a good 2 hours and nothing."
"I'm so pissed because now I'm going to have to take her to the salon and spend 300+ dollars to get this color removed when I'm already over 400 dollars deep in the hole after the fees for the competition."
"My daughter is currently grounded, still upset with me, and hasn't spoken more than a few words to me in days."
"She cried to my husband after I shouted at her, and now he thinks I'm being unreasonable and called me... Momzilla.'"
"Am I being crazy about this??!"
"She knew the rules and I even told her she could do the hair dye after we get this over with."
"If this color doesn't come out, she literally won't be able to compete, and I'll have wasted over 400 dollars."
The OP was left to wonder:
"So AITA?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed some options to the question AITA:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared OP was NOT the A**hole.
"NTA. Honestly, I would just leave it, take her to nationals and when they tell her she can't compete because of her hair she can look the consequences of her actions in the eye... and then she can pay you back the $400 she wasted by not just waiting a few weeks."
"She's plenty old enough to know that she made a mistake."
"That's if she wants to compete, maybe she was trying to get out of it without telling you?"
"I say all this as someone who's been dying their hair 'fashion colors' since they were 15, I fully support self-expression, but you have to time it right if you have events like this." ~ Fiigwort
"NTA, but don't fix her hair."
"If she can't compete because of her choices, then that's on her."
"She can then pay you back for the wasted expenses either through chores or getting a part-time job."
"Have her go as planned and have her be told by the officials that she is disqualified. If she letting down a dance team as well then she needs to face them too."
"Grounding her is fine (she intentionally disobeyed) but she needs real-world consequences as well."
"Don't fix this for her."
"She made her bed so let her lie in it." ~stickylarue
"NTA... but overreacting is on you."
"A kid that age doesn't value money, they're ruled by their ID."
"Just sit her down and say if she isn't allowed to participate based on her actions you're gonna deduct her allowance in half until it's paid off."
"If she doesn't want to do dance that's completely her choice." ~ CheezersTheCat
"Has her dance teacher/studio seen her orange hair yet?"
"Most studios make parents and dancers who are on the competition team sign contracts that state what the expectations are."
"She could be kicked off of the team before she steps foot on stage."
"That's a lot of money to lose, more than the $300 to fix her hair."
"NTA for yelling/grounding." ~ No_Middle_3193
"I agree NTA but paying $300 to fix her mistake is just enabling her."
"You're right that she needs to just not be able to compete."
"She needs to stop spending her own money to try and fix an issue her daughter intentionally caused."
"$400 is a good chunk of money to lose, but it's worth the life lesson about actions having consequences." ~ Frosty_Emotion_1431
"You guys are so wild."
"No, OP should not waste a ton of money and time because of this."
"OP should just dye her kid's hair a darker, natural shade."
"Even a darker red would probably be fine, lol." ~ Heartage
"NTA, but if she is in a team don't do that."
"That will force the other team members to have to not compete, or compete at a deficit, and that is not fair to them, and could permanently damage her relationships with them - don't blow up her life like that."
"HOWEVER - you could send a picture to her coach, tell her you are getting it fixed before she competes, but that they should make it CLEAR to her that it is unacceptable."
"And I am sure they will be stern."
"That way she hears it from more than you, and I'm willing to bet they will make clear the consequences if she does it again, and scare some sense into her."
"Also, you could make her work off the cost of fixing it, either through chores, loss of allowance, birthday money, etc." ~ OnyxEyez
"NTA... but maybe the answer isn't to fix her hair but to accept that she is going to miss nationals."
"If dance was that important to her she would have made sure she would qualify."
"If she's upset about missing it, she will learn there are consequences for choices, and in future, maybe she will take them into consideration." ~ Katnis85
"Hey OP, those colorful hair sprays can work miracles."
"She keeps her orange hair, you spend like 100 bucks instead of several hundred."
"I've used colored hairspray and root touch-up sprays a ton before to have a color for a day or weekend."
"It took me like 3-4 cans to cover my head evenly each time, but It works." ~ ServeillanceVanan394
"NAH. She is being a teenage girl and testing boundaries."
"And do you know if she is still interested in dance and if she actually wants to compete?"
"This seems like something she might do if she doesn't want to participate but is afraid to tell you that."
"Does this competition mean more to you than to her?"
"Your being upset is understandable."
"But 'punishing' a teenager usually works better if it isn't arbitrary and is related to the issue."
"I wouldn't ground her."
"If she ends up not competing, then she has to pay back at least half the fees."
"If you end up going to a salon, she can pay for that."
"It might take her a while,e and you will have to stay on top of her."
"But it might be a better lesson." ~ introspectiveliar
"NTA. Teach Alexis that her actions have consequences, DO NOT pay for her hair to be dyed back to a normal color and let her get disqualified from nationals."
"This is an important moment for her to realize that she needs to accept responsibility for her actions."
"She made the choice to dye her hair after you told her it wasn't advisable."
"She was also the one who threw away her months of training for the nationals."
"It doesn't make any sense for you to spend another $300 to pay for her mistake."
"Do not bail her out of this one."
"She is 15, she knew full well what she was doing, she f**** around and now she needs to find out." ~ kepo242
"NTA. But I don't think you're doing her any favors but trying to fix it for her."
"Personally, I would apologize for yelling, remove grounding, and tell her that it's up to her to fix her hair."
"If she misses Nationals - so be it."
"And also that from now on any competition that comes with a fee is going to come out of her pocket money."
"If she doesn't have enough pocket money, she can get a job." ~ moominsmama
"NTA. I would let her suffer the consequences of her actions though."
"You do her no favors by fixing her hair and letting her compete."
"She knew what she was doing."
"She should have to lose the chance to compete."
"That is what she decided." ~ OhmsWay-71
"I danced competitively as a kid and teen, the fees for these competitions are no joke, and neither are the rules."
"Everyone is held to an incredibly high (and somewhat unrealistic) standard before they've even had a chance to perform. NTA."
"I'd get her to pay to correct her hair for her competitions so that she actually understands the massive expense she's put on you." ~ pumpkinjooce
"NTA... you told her once nationals was done she could do that but disregarded that."
"It wasn't like you told her outright she couldn't."
"You said she needed to wait."
"So no NTA."
"She needs to pay you back for all the money that you have to get her back to a natural color." ~ plaid_8241
"NTA. I would give her a choice."
"She can pay you back for nationals and keep the hair."
"Maybe chores or something if she doesn't have a job."
"Or she can pay you back for having to correct the color and go to nationals." ~ pixp85
"NTA. But you should darken it to a natural red tone that is acceptable for nationals."
"That way once all of that is over, it won't be a color correction for her to go back to the vibrant orange." ~ dreamiinglucid
"NTA... but maybe your dream of her dancing career is not hers." ~ Outrageous_Fail5590
OP came back with some information...
"Looking at some of these comments, I just want to clarify that when I asked Alexis if she wanted to compete, she was very enthusiastic and told me yes."
"She has done nationals every year for a few years now and has loved it every time she has done it."
"I am very clear with her that since it is optional, she has the choice whether or not she wants to still participate and I am not forcing her in any way to do it."
"I am upset because she told me she wanted to do it, I paid the fees and now we can't back out of it but also she will NOT be able to compete if the orange doesn't come out."
And an update.
"I was really thinking about it last night and realized shouting at her and grounding her was not an adult way of handling things."
"I apologized to her and when we sat down for breakfast this morning and had a heart-to-heart conversation, in which we discussed the options she currently has."
"I calmly explained to her why what she did upset me and why I reacted the way that I did."
"She apologized to me for going behind my back after I put a boundary in place."
"For those saying it's not a big deal and it's 'just hair' you're right."
"It is just hair."
"It's not the orange hair that actually upsets me."
"It's the fact that she did it after I told her to wait because of the money I spent so she could be able to compete."
"I also asked her if being on the competitive team/doing dance in general is still something she truly wants to do, as some of you suggested."
"She opened up to me and said that while she loves it, she's exhausted and mentally drained during comp season and after."
"Part of the reason why she did the orange hair was because she thought she could get out of this whole thing."
"There is still a lot of ground to cover and other things that need to be figured out, but I told her she does not have to compete anymore if she doesn't want to and can just take her regular classes."
"She is still going to do nationals, but everything after that is up to her."
"Also for those saying I am limiting her freedom of self-expression and trying to control what she does with her body: just no."
"Not once have I ever tried to force my opinions or values onto her because it's what I think is morally correct."
"I am an avid supporter of her expressing herself however she wants… whether it be through her style, her hair, the music she listens to, etc."
"I will support her through every stage in her life no matter what she aligns herself with."
"I'm not against the orange hair; I'm all for it, just not right at this very moment."
"In no way do I want to prohibit her creativity or self-expression."
"I set boundaries for her with a compromise which I expected her to follow through with."
"From one mother to—I'm sure the many others that have seen this—how can we expect our kids to grow up to be well-rounded adults if we don't set boundaries for them and occasionally limitations?"
"Alexis is ungrounded, but not out of trouble."
"Her and I are going to brainstorm a different, more fitting way for her to learn from this."
"She is going to pay for a wig with money she earned from babysitting her cousins."
"I texted her dance instructor to let her know what we are doing, so her approval of wearing the wig to the comp is to be determined until it arrives."
"If not, she will be responsible for finding out another way to cover up the orange."
"For those who suggested box dye—putting box dye on my daughter's hair will be the absolute last resort."
"I understand that she needs a fitting punishment, and having to live with a muddy hair color from putting it over the orange will probably fit the crime, but I do not want her to be miserable for an unnecessarily extended period of time after the dance thing is over and after the situation has been dwelled on enough."
"Alexis doesn't want to put box dye on her hair either, but she said that if she has no other choice, then she's okay with that."
"I told her that if we DO end up having to put box color over it, she is going to have to live with it until it grows out enough to cut it off or she will have to pay her color correcting service."
This is a lot to digest, OP.
Reddit understands your feelings.
You set a boundary.
It wasn't too much to ask for Alexis to just wait until comps were over.
Parents have to set rules.
You're right to feel like you were disrespected.
Good luck at competitions.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp