One aspect of parenting that is not talked about enough in everyday society is the fact that every couple has a number in their minds regarding how many children they are comfortable with having.
This number could be chosen because of how many kids they feel comfortable having in their home, how many kids they believe they can afford to support, or some other important reason.
But since we're talking about children and pregnancy here, and not the number of items you purchase at the store, sometimes how many kids a couple has does not go according to plan, pointed out the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit.
Redditor Empty-Researcher-856 loved the two children he already had, and he had a vision for how he'd be able to provide for them, especially private school and college. When his wife wanted to have one more child, he was nervous but decided they could make it work.
But when it turned out his wife was pregnant with twins instead of just their third baby, the Original Poster (OP) was shocked to the point that he could not celebrate the announcement.
He asked the sub:
"AITAH for my reaction to finding out my wife's pregnant with twins?"
The OP put a lot of pressure on himself to financially support his children.
"My (37 Male) wife, Julie (35 Female), and I have two sons together (5 Male and 3 Male)."
"We're solid financially, but we both have intense jobs (I work 60ish hours a week). I already felt spread too thin with our sons and jobs, and I also want to make sure I can pay for my boys to go to private school and college."
"I didn't have much financial support growing up, and didn't want my kids to worry about money like I did."
"It all felt more doable with two kids, but Julie has always wanted three kids. She actually told me this when we first met in college before we were even dating. She's an only child, and so I think she likes the idea of a big family and her kids having siblings to play with."
The OP was very nervous when his wife wanted to have one more child.
"About a year ago, Julie raised the idea of trying for a third."
"With everything going on, I tried to convince her that two was the right number for our family. But it still meant a lot for Julie to have three."
"I did tell her I'd have three kids before we got married, and so I was ultimately willing to try for another after a lot of conversations."
"Julie, to her credit, left her job at a firm to do government work which reduced her salary but gives her more time to be there for the kids."
The OP was shocked when the truth of her pregnancy was revealed.
"Julie is now three months pregnant. We had an appointment yesterday and found out we're having twins."
"Both of us were shocked. I honestly wanted to scream, but she seemed thrilled."
"When we got into the car, Julie said I looked like I was going to cry. I expressed that I'm terrified and I genuinely don't know how I'm going to manage four kids. Three was already a stretch, and doubling our amount of children is very overwhelming."
"I told her that I feel like I should leave my job and find something less time-consuming, but I'd feel like a failure because I don't know if I'll be able to provide the life I always envisioned giving to my kids (i.e. private school, college paid for)."
"I basically am in a position where I feel like I need to choose between making sure my kids are financially solid or having close relationships with each of them."
"Julie said we'd figure it out, and I told her I just needed some time to think. She kept trying to talk through it with me right then, even though I told her to give me a minute."
The OP then said something that he didn't mean.
"Julie then asked if I was a little bit excited, and I snapped and said no."
"Julie got teary, said I was being a d**k, and asked how I couldn't be excited about our children. She said she's overwhelmed too, and that I hadn't even asked how she felt."
"I pointed out that she was the one who wanted to grow our family and had zero reservations about three, and so I didn't realize she was overwhelmed about the twins."
"Julie started crying and said I was being a jerk. She's been upset ever since and is staying away from me."
"I do think I was harsh at the moment and have tried to apologize and express that I want to support her in this. But I do think it was fair for me to be stressed at the moment under the circumstances, and I wish she could also see where I'm coming from."
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP that the news of having multiples could be overwhelming.
"I cried in the car when I left my OB's office after learning we were expecting twins. My husband was also visibly upset. It's normal to be overwhelmed by that news. Just about everyone who wasn't planning on twins in my Moms of Multiples group said the same; they cried too."
"For me, and my husband, it was a rollercoaster of emotions as we came to terms with it. We had nine-ish months to prepare. And we did get excited by the time they got here."
"Truth be told, it was hard for the first few months but listen…"
"You can make it. You will make it work, and you will fall in love with them and laugh at the trepidation you're having right now. I promise." - LizardCase
"When we found out we were expecting twins as our first child, we were both shocked and upset. It took us some time to process and honestly, it took me until probably 30 weeks to actually start to feel excited."
"OP, It's a normal reaction. Snapping at your wife wasn't the best move, but you apologized, and we all make mistakes. I can also see why she is upset though, because I'm sure she wants you to feel happy. Anyway, like others have said, rethink your priorities."
"My husband and I both could be working more and making more money, but right now, our kids need us, and we're able to take care of them, and that's all that matters. Private school and college are not the end-all-be-all."
"Being a plugged-in dad is way more important to your children in the long term, and is more important for their development! Good luck!" - E-as-in-elephant
"My wife and I had one kid, and then she found out she was pregnant again. I didn't mind so much because one more wouldn't have changed our life too much. I could keep the same house, same car. It wouldn't be too bad I thought."
"At the first sonogram when we learned we were having twins, I went full surrender cobra."
"This was going to be a complete upheaval. We'd need a bigger house, a van, everything was going to have to change. I stayed strong to not stress my wife out who also was very shocked knowing everything was going to have to change, but I was very worried."
"Five years later, everything is fine. It's incredible how you just make it work when push comes to shove. Some things will have to be sacrificed, and there's really no way around it. I also would have loved to send all my kids to college debt-free, but now that's not possible and when they get older they'll understand."
"I was able to go to school without a college fund, just like many other successful people did. I'll never be able to take long and expensive vacations with my wife, but we've made peace with that. As long as our kids are happy, we'll get by."
"Every Parent of Multiples freaks out at first. That's normal. But soon OP won't even be able to imagine life without them" - Brom0nk
"She probably just wanted to make sure that you were going to be by her side, and not resent her for it. Being pregnant makes a woman really vulnerable. That doesn't mean she handled this super well, either."
"I think y'all will figure things out just fine. No matter what, your kids will grow up with two folks who love them. That's worth more than some big private school education, if it comes down to it." - bigfatkitty2006
"NAH. Honestly, this is the kind of news that kind of scrambled rationality a little bit. Was there a way to communicate this better? Sure. But you were in a panic. She was also excited and wanted to share that with you, and I get her being upset."
"I would apologize to her and tell her that you are excited to meet these babies and raise them with her. And more gently reiterate that while that is true, you ARE scared and want to talk to her about how you guys are going to handle this change." - AnxiousTelephone2997
Others agreed and urged the OP to rethink some of his priorities.
"It may be time to rethink your goals, OP. Do your kids really need 12 years of private schools, or do you want to save your money for academic high schools?"
"And is never making your kids never worry about money a good idea? Because at least some of them are going to have to worry about money as adults. Of course, too much worry about money is very bad for kids and makes it difficult for them to concentrate on scholastic achievements, but that doesn't mean they need to regard money worries as something that happens to other people."
"Because it will happen to them, better they should both be aware of the existence of both money worries and strategies for coping with money worries." - Echo-Azure
"I grew up wondering how we were going to eat poor. As such, we made sure our kids have never had to worry about money."
"It's exhausting. They're so spoiled and they don't think twice about breaking things like $70 Xbox controllers, because we have money, right? They're 12 and six, and are having to now learn the hard way that just because I could replace their controllers every month when they break them, it doesn't mean I will."
"Kids don't need private school and paid for college. They need present parents and to not have to worry about food, shelter, and bills." - Gone_Green2007
"It's not going to hurt your kids' futures if they go to public school."
"Take it from me, OP. I've been in private, online, home, and public schooling, and public was significantly better on most fronts. Private school gave me a very s**tty false education (that I'm still having to UN-learn) and caused me to be really out of touch with reality and society in some bad ways and resulted in many cringey social blunders."
"Public school exposed me to much more diversity and developed my confidence and drastically improved my social skills."
"I could go on and on about pros and cons of the different types. A price tag does not equal quality. There are other kinds of costs and gains to consider. Your kids will benefit so much more from having you engaged in their lives than they would ever get out of private school." - MeisterBeans
"Dude, you are putting too much pressure on yourself. Your kids do not need fancy private schools. It's a nice thing, but it doesn't guarantee anything. I went to private school and I am now a CNA. My brothers went to public school. Both of them finished valedictorian at university and have well-paying (mid-six-figures) jobs." - lynypixie
"I'm taking a walk while my four teens bounce around my house. I read the title and had a good laugh, and barely needed to read the post."
"Yeah, your reaction was s**t. But when my wife called me at work to tell me she was pregnant with our fourth, I pretty much hung up on her."
"Bro. You won't regret it for a moment. Chill. Don't overreact to your childhood, as the kids will make their way just fine with whatever support you're able to provide."
"As cliche as it sounds, they remember the love you provided way more than the money and sh*t." - Consistent-Tip-7819
While the subReddit completely understood the shock the OP was feeling and how he felt like all of his plans were shifting by going from two to four children, they also encouraged him to take a breath and think about what was really important: a happy life with his wife and children.
Undeniably, the children would remember the time they had with their parents far more than they'd remember the school system they went through, and the parents would soon be so excited about their new arrivals that the initial shock would wear off.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.