It can be a very delicate issue to have friends who make considerably more money than we do.
As they might ask us to join them at expensive restaurants or on lavish vacations that we simply cannot afford.
This does, of course, go both ways, as some people who have friends who make considerable more money than they do sometimes expect these friends to treat them to things they can't afford themselves.
Discrepancy in salaries is particularly problematic between rooommates.
A recent Redditor and her roommate split their rent evenly, both of them paying the same amount.
However, when the original poster (OP)'s roommate learned some newfound information regarding the OP's salary, she confronted the OP and told her she should be paying a larger amount of rent.
A request the OP wouldn't even consider.
After being called "selfish" by her roommate, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The A**hole" (AITA), where she asked fellow Redditors:
"AITA for refusing to pay more rent after getting a raise my roommate found out about?"
The OP explained why her roommate demanded she pay a higher percentage of the rent:
"I (28 F[emale]) had a huge promotion at work recently."
"I was excited about my promotion but chose to keep it to myself because I tend to be private about money."
"I've been living with my roommate (29 F[emale]) for over three years. We pay 50/50 for our apartment, but she earns far less than I do at her nonprofit job."
"Last week, I accidentally left my laptop open and she saw my bank account, and my new balance."
"She confronted me immediately."
"She was upset that I did not tell her about my promotion, and now wants me to pay 80% of the rent because I earn so much more than her."
"I told her that I do not."
"We agreed on a 50/50 split when we started living together, and I do not think my salary of the 50/50 agreement."
"I also have student loan payments that she does not."
"She brought it up again yesterday saying it is the right thing to do, and I am being selfish."
"I reminded her that I also buy the vast majority of groceries and also pay most of our utility bills without problems."
"I don't think my financial success now obligates me to subsidize her housing."
"She chose her career path with the understanding of the salary limitations."
"AITA for not wanting to pay more rent now that I got a raise in my career?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation, by declaring:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
The Reddit community resoundingly agreed that the OP was not the a**hole for refusing to pay more rent after getting a promotion.
Everyone agreed that the OP's salary was not a factor when it came to rent, and if they both had equal use of the apartment, then they both should pay the same amount of rent, with some even urging the OP to consider moving out, feeling that her roommate badly violated her privacy:
"NTA."
"You are roommates not spouses."
"If she gets use of 50% of the apartment then she should pay 50% of the costs for being in that apartment."
"If she can't afford the rent there then that is her problem to fix not her roommates."
"She sounds emotionally immature expecting other people to make up for her deficiencies and give her a more comfortable life."
"If the roles were reversed what would your expectations be for her and her money?"
"Reversing the roles can help you be fair to both yourself and her."
"Also, caving in to toxic immaturity does not help."
"It enables people to be more immature and delays their healthy natural growth."
"If she refuses to grow up you might need to find a new roommate or new living situation."
"Good luck!"- Responsible-Start307
"INFO : WHY don't you pay 100% and she can just move out?"
"You're not her ATM and she isn't entitled to your money."
"If she wants to share an apartment with you, than she's obliged to pay her share of the rent: 50%."
"What you make is NONE OF HER BUSINESS."
"ALSO: CALL HER OUT ON SNOOPING IN YOUR COMPUTER!"
"NTA."- DoIwantToKnow6417
"Absolutely NTA and totally inappropriate for her to ask."
"You are flatmates, not life partners, and that kind of request is something that people in partnerships do for one another, for love, because they support one another."
"You two are financially independent from each other."
"She is not your family."
"There is no reason you should have to pay for her to live."
"Really audacious, entitled, and spiteful that she would even ask."
"In what world would any flatmate ever say yes to that request?"- nefariousratking
"NTA."
"She's your roommate, not your partner - 50/50 is the correct way to handle rent."
"Plus, you already contribute more in terms of groceries and utilities, so it would be an even more unfair split."- sleepyHedgehog99
"Absolutely NTA, no question about it."
"To be blunt, she's an AH for even asking."
"And I find it hard to imagine she just happened to notice your bank balance when passing your laptop, rather than noticing it was open and choosing to look."
"I'd consider that a gross violation of my privacy and would find it impossible to ever trust the person again."
"It's really simple, the pay rise is yours singular not yours plural."- Phil_Oop_North
"NTA."
"WTF is she thinking?"
"You aren't partners so your money has nothing to do with her."
"If she wants cheaper rent she can move out."
"It's absolutely mind boggling the mental gymnastics involved in justifying her asking for your money."
"Just tell her she is absolutely out of line and it's your money."
"Also probably be prepared to find another living situation."
"Money is usually the cause of relationships breaking down in situations like this."- mck-_-
"NTA."
"You have an agreement."
"I'd personally go, 'I'd need to look at what I could afford if I moved out and lived by myself instead of having a room mate before I even start to consider changing our 50/50 agreement'. Let me do some research'."
"If they are that skint and you genuinely have a good living arrangement, they'll back down pretty quickly."- dragonetta123
"NTA."
"Partners and SO usually split rent based off income disparity, but normal roommates?"
"Nope that's 50/50."
"You work hard and shouldn't have to subsidize her life."
"If she doesn't like the arrangement she can leave it, but you are under zero obligation to pay more. It doesn't make you selfish, rude, a bad friend, a bad roommate, a bad person, or an a**hole."- Exciting-Peanut-1526
"I won the lottery and we told no one."
'Not one single person knows and they won't until we die."
"It's been years."
"NTA but sadly you may need to find a new Roommate or move."- TweetHearted
"Yeah, stick to your guns, but I would be planning to move out from this person."
"Looking at your bank account info?"
'Gross and intrusive."
"What if she starts helping herself to things, because you 'earn more'?"
"NTA."- NatashOverWorld
"NTA."
'You are her roommate not her spouse you don't owe her paying more just because you earn more."
"If she cannot afford to live there anymore without you paying more then she needs to move out."- Secret_Double_9239
"NTA."
"You are her room mate not her partner."
"You share a space, you don't share your life."
"You also pay far more than she does in food and utilities."
"Time to examine your lease and find a new place on you own."
"Or a new roommate."
"This one is done."- Adelucas
"I don't know what kind of relationship dynamic this is where someone can just 'confront' me about my bank balance."
"You need to reexamine that."
"NTA."- Fearless-Speech-1131
"NTA."
"If anything, tell her that if you were to pay that much for rent, you might as well pay 100% and live alone."- WavyHairedGeek
"NTA."
"This story is fishy."
"You're private about money, but roommate suddenly 'sees' your new balance?"
"So your roommate knows your old 'balance'?"
"So that means your roommate is aware of your bank statements and/or your prior paycheck?"
"Huh?!"- RandomNatureFeels
"NTA."
"Wow, if she insist on you paying more, I suggest you move out."
"Your money, your rules."- notover_thinking
"Tell her no coz you're saving to buy a one bedroom flat all to yourself."
"NTA she's absurd!"- Doughnut2220
As the saying goes, life isn't fair.
Both the OP and their roommate went into their lease agreeing to split the rent evenly, not based on their respective incomes.
Seeing as they both have an equal amount of control over their apartment, they should both be paying an equal amount of rent.
If the OP's roommate is having trouble affording her share of the rent, then the logical solution would be for her to move out and find somewhere she can afford to live.
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp