Though this doesn't work for most people, there are some of us who will try our best to maintain positive relationships and friendships with the people we've dated.
This is especially true for people who were married, especially for a long time, pointed out the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor SeaDebt8559 was married to his wife for seventeen years, and now that they were divorced, it was important to him to try to maintain a friendship with her and keep her in his life.
But when she immediately moved on to date his former best friend, the Original Poster (OP) felt a strange combination of feeling hurt and confused, despite trying to move on.
He asked the sub:
"Am I overreacting by being upset that my ex-wife of 17 years immediately started dating my former best friend?"
The OP had a falling out with a former friend.
"I want to start by saying that I THINK I probably AM overreacting and that my intention is to just learn about myself."
"There's this guy, Mark. Mark and I were best friends in high school and intense musical friends."
"We played in dozens of bands together, went to college together, and toured together."
"A few years ago, we had a falling out. I wouldn't call it 'ugly,' but there was definitely some significant dysfunctional energy."
"It's my belief that he was quite a jerk to both me and my ex-wife on numerous occasions, particularly when alcohol was involved."
"He's been particularly rude to me, saying some pretty horrible things about me to a friend."
The OP was surprised when Mark and Kate showed an interest in each other.
"My ex-wife, Kate, and I got divorced in July. It was as much of us growing apart as anything."
"We're still on good terms and have felt like great friends recently. I've hoped we could remain friends for years."
"I entered a new relationship in November."
"Now, Kate and Mark have started dating."
"I want to be clear, I do NOT have an issue with Kate dating. I want her to move on and be happy."
"But this particular relationship just makes me want to puke."
"Mark has been a huge source of stress in our lives for years, and ending that friendship was incredibly painful."
"This situation has my blood boiling. I've talked with some of my friends about it, and the unanimous feedback has been, 'What the f**k?!'"
"It's her life and none of my business, but I can't help but feel betrayed by Kate."
The OP also felt really conflicted.
"I have one additional question. What does it say about me that I feel this way in a new relationship?"
"I have absolutely NO interest in Kate. Why specifically does this bother me? The logical side of my mind tells me that I should just laugh and put it out of my head."
"I have a wonderful new partner. I'm not sure why this bothers me so much."
"AIO?"
The OP later updated the post with information he realized might be important:
"I'm terribly sorry to add this context so late, as so many of you have graciously commented already, BUT one thing I should've said up front."
"A HUGE factor in this situation is that Mark has a history of domestic abuse. To my knowledge, there was an incident a few years ago (after he and I lost touch) where the cops were called (by his now-ex) because he had some kind of mental break and started smashing stuff in the house with a baseball bat."
"Unfortunately, this is the second instance I've heard of something like this."
"Kate knows this, and unfortunately, I've literally heard her say the exact words, 'Maybe I can be the one to crack the code with him.'"
"So… I don't think my concern is coming from a place of being controlling or overprotective. I feel as if this man is an unstable danger to her safety."
"And yes, on a human level, there's a chunk of my ego that feels a little bruised over the fact that they were both great friends of mine. BUT, unless I'm reading my own mind wrong, I truly believe that my concern is for her safety."
"She's already in quite a bad place emotionally, and I fear this could end in disaster for her."
"I've voiced this. I suppose all I can do is let it happen and focus on myself."
Fortunately, the OP didn't think that cheating was likely.
"Also, who knows, but I think that the cheating theory is very unlikely. She's extremely shy and introverted. She's definitely been a 'go to work and then come straight home' kind of person, and I've worked from home for years without ever noticing anything unusual with her being gone or anything, so… I really find that theory unlikely."
"I think a much more likely theory is that she decided to date this guy because she's so shy, and the idea of someone familiar (even if there are red flags everywhere) is more attractive than the idea of a stranger."
"AIO?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NOR: Not Overreacting
- YOR: You're Overreacting
Some side-eyed the story, developing theories from a full-blown affair to rejected advances.
"The most likely reason for a best friend to suddenly become toxic, insulting both the wife and the friend, is that he was previously having an affair with the wife, and she cut it off."
"I think he was toxic because he didn't take the wife's rejection well the first time."
"The tip off is that he ALSO insulted the wife, and he mostly did this while he was drinking."
"He was angry at both OP and his wife, and that feels like the wife picked OP over him. It came out when he was drinking because when he was sober, he was aware enough to realize letting this out would destroy his friendship." - FunkyPete
"Maybe he liked the wife (even subconsciously) and started spotting the things OP wasn't doing 'right' and got frustrated about it. I don't think there's any need to jump to an affair, but it's still... strange." - Competitive-Sail6264
"Maybe they weren't having an affair, but he came on to her and was rejected. That could have the same reaction of him turning nasty." - switchywoman_
"A lot of people have poor judgment and make dumb decisions when they're hurting, though. We have no idea how OP's ex is coping with the divorce or OP dating someone new. It's not that far-fetched." - Curious_Contract2172
"Y'all men are always so presumptuous and quick to blame women. Do you have any idea how often men are mean to women they have feelings for, regardless of whether feelings are returned or not? A lot."
"It's actually super common for men to act like mean children when they're rejected, so I would argue he probably tried to have an affair with her, she rejected him because she was loyal, and post-divorce she probably figured she had a shot at a rebound to a guy who once made a move. Which seemingly worked." - Curious_Contract2172
"I was in a similar situation about 15 years ago where my ex-boyfriend started dating one of my better friends from the college town we lived in. She was pretty messy, and he used to talk so much s**t about her while we were dating, and I used to vent to her about what an a**hole he was."
"Fast forward to our final break-up, I had moved back to my (and my ex's) hometown and drifted away from my old friend group, when who do I run into at the drug store one day but my ex and ex-friend."
"I was already dating someone new, too, so I wasn't 'hurt' to see them dating, more just like, confused? They both talked so much s**t about each other, it was like, were they both just doing that for my sake or something? Were they secretly attracted to each other the whole time?"
"Yadda yadda yadda, they imploded dramatically after a few months, and it turned out they weren't so much secret soulmates as two angry drunks." - Emotional_Emotion113
Others understood what the OP was feeling but encouraged him to move on.
"NOR, but at this point, the best thing to do is ignore it and move on. Neither are in your life anymore, so they don't need to be on your mind, either." - ninjoid
"I think most of us would feel the same way as you do, OP, if we were in your shoes. It's a natural human reaction, but I'd focus on your own happiness right now and enjoy your relationship." - anongirl55
"Allowing their relationship to continue to bother you could negatively impact your current relationship. Your partner may feel like you aren't truly over Kate and aren't able to build a relationship with them."
"NOR, but do your best, for you and for your partner, to let this go and move on." - EnoughManufacturer32
"Sometimes the trash takes itself out, OP doesn't need a 'friend' like his ex-wife. She knows what she is doing… NOR, but if this were the AITA subReddit, the OP would be NTA while his ex would be the obvious AH." - InfoSecPeezy
"If I were the OP, I would ignore and move on. But it sounds like it's a little more complex than 'out of sight, out of mind.' Maintaining a positive relationship with someone you've spent a significant portion of your life with is important, maybe even healthy. It sounds like you can't really avoid it altogether, at least not right now."
"My advice would be, if you want to maintain this positive relationship with your ex, and you truly do believe that you're great friends, maybe talk to her about it, if only to help yourself move past it with the least amount of resentment."
"Mention the stress you felt was put on you both, stress that you don't 'disapprove' of or otherwise care about her dating or with whom, and that you want her to be happy and have love."
"As long as you're being honest about a lack of jealousy and such, a conversation like that might just set you free..." - ChromiumSilk
The subReddit could understand why the OP was experiencing conflicting feelings of hurt, anger, and confusion, but they hoped that he could start to let those feelings go and move on, so he could develop a relationship with his new partner.
But if maintaining a friendship with his ex was that important to him, a conversation might need to happen to clear the air and decide whether the friendship was something he still wanted once he knew the truth.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.