Recipes can be sacred.
So many families take secret recipes to the grave.
Why? Who knows.
For many, food is part of a love language.
A language that can cause a lot of problems.
Redditor bossbabebrit wanted to discuss their experience and get some feedback, so naturally, they came to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit.
They asked:
"AITA for gatekeeping my late aunt's kugel recipe?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"This may sound silly, but I'm in a little family squabble over kugel (a Jewish noodle casserole)."
"Just last week, my aunt passed away."
"I was home alone with our elderly dog while my husband and kids were away visiting my in-laws."
"That's when I found out."
"So, I was unable to attend the funeral."
"Less than a month ago, I found my old recipe book that had gone missing 8 years prior during a move."
"I had searched endlessly for it because it had held my aunt's coveted Kugel recipe."
"Over the years, I tried getting the recipe again from her and other family members, but none of them tasted the same."
"When I found my book and read the recipe, I realized that the reason none of them were the same was because I had written it in her kitchen as we made it together."
"I wrote down everything she said, including her funny 'measurements' like '1 cup, or 2... maybe ¼ box.'"
"It wasn't just a recipe, it was a memory."
"So, when she passed, I shared the story on Facebook."
"My cousin, her son, asked for the recipe."
"Of course, I sent it to him."
"But then he asked me to post it on my Facebook."
"He even went as far as saying that if I didn't do it, he would."
"I told him it felt odd and asked why."
"He said it would be nice so that anyone could make it."
"I usually don't like gatekeeping, but this feels different."
"This recipe took me years to recover."
"Even her own kids didn't have it."
"It just feels like something that should stay in the family."
The OP was left to wonder:
"So, AITA for not wanting to post it online for everyone?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed in on some options to the question AITA:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared that OP WAS the A**hole.
"I would suggest looking up 'ring theory.'"
"It basically posits that in a crisis, including the death of a loved one, there are rings surrounding the center of the grief."
"People in the different rings should 'comfort in, dump out.'"
"So, for example, if a close friend dies, you should comfort their spouse/children, and seek comfort from others who were less close to the friend than you were."
"In most (though not all) cases, a son is going to be closer to someone than a niece."
"The comfort he is seeking is the ability to share something of his mother's that means something to him - whether or not you think it should mean something to him - without creating drama/strife with you, his cousin."
"To withhold that comfort from her son, in order to bring yourself comfort, strikes me as cruel."
"Also, assuming your aunt was a loving mother, I would think she wouldn't want you to stand in the way of her son doing whatever small actions he thinks will help him cope with her passing."
"YTA. Unintentionally, but I would never forgive a family member if they tried to put their fairly minor needs above my own while I was coping with the death of a parent."
"This sort of thing is relationship-destroying." ~ conbird
"I totally agree with ring theory, and had OP withheld the recipe from the son of the aunt, I would be 100% on the same page."
"What rubs me the wrong way is that the son has received the recipe from OP, but specifically wants OP to post it on their Facebook."
"That just seems controlling, when son is already in possession of the recipe and could just post it himself if he wished."
"YTA. I don't understand gatekeeping recipes."
"Wouldn't your aunt want it shared so many people can enjoy it?"
"And even more, YTA, because her SON, her next of kin, asked you to do it." ~ Evening-Cry-8233
"Gentle YTA as a Jew who cooks traditional food for the holidays."
"Anyone who is going to take the time and trouble to make kugel from scratch will be delighted to have this recipe."
"I don't want to open a minefield here, but in these times, keeping traditions alive seems especially important and poignant."
"Why not let your kugel recipe be enjoyed by others?"
"I still have similar handwritten recipes tucked into books by relatives who have passed, and I'd share with anyone who asks. It's kugel, not a secret sauce."
"Or the Coca-Cola formula!" ~ Dunesgirl
"I've never understood being so precious about family recipes."
"If it's good, share it."
"I've shared countless of my great-grandmother's recipes with friends who've asked, and oddly, they still taste just as good when I make them now as they did before I shared them. YTA." ~ kalequinoa
"Yeah, I had a cousin like this."
"He refused to share a 'family recipe' that was my grandmother's/his great aunt."
"Once I really got into baking, I dragged out some old notebooks of my grandmother's, made the cake, posted a pic of it, and posted the recipe. OP, YTA." ~ ComeHereBanana
"YTA. That is how treasured family recipes get lost forever."
"The same goes for those who gatekeep a recipe by handing out a recipe that they say is theirs, but which has a crucial ingredient changed or omitted altogether so that theirs can be 'the best.'"
"My daughter has tinkered with her grandmother's Xmas cookie recipe for years, because it wasn't the same as those my husband remembers."
"The recipe she handed down to her daughter and DILs has shortening as the fat."
"It appears that the original called for lard."
"Vast difference in the texture of the final cookie." ~ TheFilthyDIL
"This is a problem we have in my family."
"Everyone who knew the recipes my father grew up with passed before he even married my mother, and anything they had written down before then was lost in a flood."
"I've been trying to recreate my great-grandmother's biscuits for years, and he has zero information for me."
"Share your family recipes, you guys." ~ WinterNocturne
YTA for this crap story."
"He has the recipe; it is no longer 'your' secret. "
"You already opened the gate."
"He said if you don't post it, he will."
"First, then why didn't he just post it?"
"Second, so it doesn't matter if you 'gatekeep' and don't post it because he WILL." ~ mm1palmer
"YTA. You literally only have it based on luck."
"It obviously wasn't something you cherished since it was in a box for almost a decade."
"I hope he posts it, especially after hearing your selfish, super flimsy excuse for not doing it." ~ Lucky_Volume3819
"YTA. It's not even your recipe."
"Her own son wants to share it with the world, and if anything, it's his decision to make." ~ Eternalthursday1976
"Soft YTA."
"If I understand your story right, she wasn't gatekeeping it."
"She shared it, but it wasn't like when you stood there and made it with her."
"So she did try, just was inaccurate."
"Considering that she didn't mind sharing it, and her son is asking you to do this, then I think you should." ~ angryromancegrrrl
"YTA. You don't own the recipe."
"You own that copy of it."
"If he decides to share his mother's recipe, it's not your right to stop him."
"Keep the sentimental copy you have because that is your memory, but let the rest of the family and her community have the chance to honor her memory." ~ lungbuttersucker
"YTA. You're being selfish."
"Her recipe isn't particularly unique or special, but the story behind it is, and you're depriving everyone of it."
"Get over yourself." ~ whyisthissticky
"YTA - you already made the decision to share it with your cousin (which was the right call)."
"What he does with his mother's recipe is his business."
"I can't imagine losing my mom, wanting to celebrate her by sharing a lost recipe, and my cousin deciding to make some weird stand about a recipe that's not hers."
"All that does is guarantee that it eventually becomes a lost recipe again." ~ REDDIT
"YTA- recipes are meant to be spread and enjoyed."
"It's horrible to gatekeep food, especially when it's connected to the memory of someone who has passed away." ~ hero_of_kvatch215
"I don't actually consider this situation gatekeeping."
"OP gave it to her cousin, the aunt's son. I hope that OP would give it to any family member who asked."
"She should."
"If she refused to share it with family, then she'd be gatekeeping a recipe that isn't even hers."
"But demanding that she post it online is a step too far, in my opinion."
"I have many family recipes (mostly from both grandmas) and many recipes I have created myself."
"A friend and I bake for fun and have created several recipes together."
"I/We share all of those with any family member or friend who asks."
"I will never post those recipes online."
"These recipes are shared with people we know and love."
"I have no desire to make them public."
"If someone who has one of my/our recipes posted it online, I wouldn't be thrilled, but I wouldn't throw a fit."
"The aunt's son has the recipe and can post it if he chooses."
"I think overall, OP is NTA for not wanting to post a family recipe on social media."
"That assumes that she will share it with other family members." ~ Wackadoodle-do
Reddit has some issues with your choice, OP.
If her kids are cool with it, then maybe it's not your place to worry about it.
After all, it is just food.
Your memories are yours.
No one can take those away.
Sorry for your loss.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.