There's a saying:
"Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people."
I don't know if I'd go that far.
But many of my family traditions once had federal laws—the Indian Acts—that banned them until the 1970s-1990s. Upholding our traditions feels more like an act of rebellion than conformity, so maybe I'm biased when it comes to family traditions.
A woman being pressured by her in-laws to follow their family tradition turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
After_Ad3961 asked:
"AITA for not following my husband's family tradition?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"My husband (29, male) comes from a very traditional family. While we disagree with his family on many things, it has never really been an issue until now."
"I (28, female) am currently 8 months pregnant and my husband and I couldn't be happier as we've been trying for a while. Since I first found out I was pregnant, we've been discussing names for our child."
"In my husband's family, the tradition wants the child to be named after his grandfather. Basically, first-born men in his family only have one of two names: James or Henry."
"My husband's grandfather was James, so his name is James too. My husband's father is called Henry, so our child should be too. And so on and so forth."
"It's only the first-born male of the first-born male, etc... So technically my husband's aunts and uncles didn't have to name their children James."
"But they still often give either James or Henry as a middle name, and sometimes as a first name. My husband has a bunch of cousins with those names as either their middle or first name."
"But my husband and I didn't really feel like calling our child Henry, and although it's a beautiful way to honor family members, we really wanted our child to have a name that would be personal, that would truly be his."
"So we chose another name, and decided to wait until after the birth to reveal it to everyone. It's Oliver! I've loved this name forever and we feel like it really matches our spirit, plus we love a somewhat classic name."
"This week, my mother-in-law came to visit us and help us set up for the baby. She brought us some presents, amongst which was a bunch of clothes on which she hand embroidered the name Henry."
"I said that it was nice and thanked her for it, but told her that we wouldn't be naming our child Henry, as we had already told her in the past. She started insisting and saying that it was a tradition so it had to be that way."
"We had already told his family back when we announced that we were expecting—or when we announced we were having a boy, I don't exactly remember. I don't know if they thought it was a joke and were in denial or if they were trying to manipulate us so that we'd change our minds, but yeah it was already established that our son wouldn't be Henry."
"I explained to her that we'd rather give our child a name that we chose, and that Henry could be his middle name."
"She immediately went to my husband and started saying things like 'you're not going to let her do that to our family' and making it very dramatic, saying that I was breaking a tradition that went back hundreds of years—honestly, not sure about that."
"We hyphenated our last names back when we got married. They weren't happy about that one either..."
"My husband tried to explain that we both agreed on the name, and all the reasons why we made that choice, but she wouldn't listen. She suggested that we name him Henry on paper, as his legal name, and then call him something else."
"But I thought that would be confusing for him and told her that he would be named what we chose."
"She kept begging my husband and saying that I was ruining the family tradition, and at one point I lost it—which is partially to blame on hormones I think—and told her that it was our child, so we could do what we wanted, and we didn't have to follow a stupid tradition."
"She stormed out and my husband has since received texts from his father and sister accusing me of making his mother feel really bad and some other stuff that I don't really remember."
"He's been trying to push back, but his family won't listen and they're convinced that I manipulated him or something... But at least he's standing up to them, so there's that."
"I get the importance of tradition and it can be really beautiful, but also I feel like that shouldn't be an obligation and it's okay to change things."
We won't change our baby's name because we're really set on that, but maybe we were wrong for not following the tradition?"
"I'm not entirely sure, and am mentally exhausted by all this drama..."
The OP summed up their situation.
"We might be a**holes for not naming our baby Henry after the family tradition and refusing to reconsider it."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"I will never understand this. What if your family had the same tradition? Who wins? NTA in the slightest. Congratulations on your pregnancy and give your sweet boy whatever name you and your husband choose!" ~ NojaysCita
"Tell your in-laws that the thousand year long tradition in your family is that the mother and father of the baby chose the name and you'll be following your family's tradition. NTA." ~ SadFlatworm1436
"Tell them that your family has a tradition of giving each child their own name, and you decided to go with that tradition. NTA." ~ Putrid_Performer2509
"Husband needs to be telling his god-awful parents off. Never let your parents bully your spouse."
"It's not like his parents are going to spontaneously combust because he stood up to their crappy behavior. NTA." ~ OrNothingAtAll
"I work in finance and deal a lot with older clients and their beneficiaries. People with money love naming their kids after themselves."
"We have a family here that has a huge trust. All the grandkids are in it. All of the male grandkids have the same f*cking name."
"Literally five of them have the same name because of a 'tradition' similar to this. The paperwork is an absolute nightmare, and all of them have had multiple issues because there are three male generations of this family that all have multiple members that all have the same name."
"NTA. Avoid this bullsh*t." ~ SeriousEye5864
"My half-brother was a 'the third' and his father, the second, took out a mortgage, boat, and several car loans in his name. He was burdened with terrible credit when he was 23 and trying to start his own life."
"NTA. Tradition is manipulation at its finest." ~ finley111819
"Oh, man, this was me. Anything my partner did that they didn't like = my fault. Any disagreement about anything was because of my brainwashing them."
"I was like, 'I can't even get them to hang up their towel after a shower, so I'm not sure where this is coming from'." ~ thesturdygerman
"Yeah, same. We had only been dating 6 months tops, but I was the reason my now spouse left the church."
"At one point, my now father-in-law said that Spouse apologized to me too much. Which was actually hilarious because at the same time my mom was like, 'why do you need to talk every decision over with Spouse? Just do what you want!'."
"All because I decided against getting a quilt in a pattern I knew Spouse would absolutely despise."
"For some parents, the other family is always wrong and manipulative and you have to watch out for your precious baby who would never disobey you, I guess." ~ wayward_witch
"Tell them every time they say anything more on the subject, it's another extra month of no contact until they can meet your baby."
"This name decision is final, nothing anyone has to say will change your minds, THE PARENTS are the only ones who get to pick their kids' names, as has been done for 1000s of years."
"If they don't like it, then sorry they feel that way, and you wouldn't want them to suffer anymore by having to see your newborn son called {not-Henry}, as you know it will cause them so much pain."
"Since all they are doing is causing you anger and pain and drama, you will be removing the toxic people from your life going forward, until they can get their head screwed on straight again. One mention of the name Henry = 6 month ban." ~ Dense_Dress_1287
In an ironic twist, I'm actually named after my maternal Metís Grandmother.
But it's never been an official family tradition. No one pressured or forced my parents to do anything and I think that makes all the difference.
My Gram Amelia was named after her maternal Grandmother, and so on going back to the mid-17th century when the first Indigenous Canadian woman in our family married a French fur trapper in Northern Quebec near Hudson Bay.
For the next ~200 years, Indigenous Canadian or Metís women were married and baptized Catholic on the same day to join my Metís family line. Needing a Saint's name to join the Catholic Church, it was easy to pick the current family matriarch's—the Grandmother's—name.
Then it just became a tribute to a beloved family member that someone in the family always picked. I'm not the oldest female among my cousins—I'm the 3rd youngest—or in my family—I'm the middle child.
My parents named all three of their daughters after family members because it's what they wanted to do.
So that's how I got my traditional, not a family tradition, name.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.