Whenever something goes wrong in our life, be it major or minor, far too many people's inclinations is to find someone to blame.
Even if this was entirely their own doing or something that was out of anyone's control, and thus no one was at fault, they won't rest easy until blame is placed.
Conversely, there are an equal number of people who refuse to accept responsibility for something that was absolutely their fault.
No matter how much evidence is presented against them.
Redditor colieolieravioli and her fiancé recently enjoyed each other's company while having dinner together.
Unfortunately, an all-too-common kitchen mishap left the original poster (OP)'s fiancé injured.
While the OP's fiancé felt she was the one to blame for the mishap, the OP pleaded innocence.
Unable to decide who the responsible party was, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The A**Hole" (AITA), where she asked fellow Redditors:
"AITA for not reminding my fiancé that stoves are hot?"
The OP explained why she and her fiancé found themselves playing the blame game after an accident in the kitchen:
"Last night, my fiancé (31 M[ale]) and I (30 F[emale]) were winding down our days getting ready to make dinner."
"Together in the kitchen, I popped the chicken in the oven."
"Also in the oven was our cast iron pan."
"We go back to our respective video games and then when the chicken was getting closer to finished, I go out to the kitchen to start on veggies."
"I take the now 400° cast iron out of the oven, turn on the stove, and plop some butter in there while I turn my back and start cutting veg."
My fiancé comes out, asking what it is that he needs to do."
"I say I just need these veggies cut (which I was actively doing) and he goes to give the cast iron pan a shake to move the butter around."
"Yea, the 400° iron handle, he grabbed it."
"It was less than a second, no lasting damage, but definitely burned his fingers."
"1st degree."
"Now the question becomes: was I the a**hole for not adequately warning him about the hot cast iron?"
"More importantly, I am refusing more than 50% blame for the incident."
"To me, the cast iron handles will regularly get hot when using it on the stove top, but obviously this was way hotter than 'usual hot', so I can't say that I would grab it with reckless abandon, like my lovely fiancé did."
"He claims I should at least take majority blame (51%/49% minimum, but he thinks more like 60%/40%)."
"Additionally, my back was turned, I didn't see him reach for the pan or I would have warned him."
"We went back and forth on the percent blame for a long while last night and we can't decide!"
"Obviously, reddit is the best place to go to solve relationship disputes."
"So AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation, by declaring:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
While the Reddit community was somewhat divided as to who the a**hole was in this situation, just about everyone agreed that the OP did not seem to be in a healthy relationship.
Some had trouble sympathizing with either the OP or her fiancé, put off by the fact that they both seemed to focus on blaming one another as opposed to the fact that the OP's fiancé was injured:
"What the absolute f*ck."
"Why are you two assigning percentages to blame."
"This is a blameless situation."
"Your fiancé just accidentally grabbed a hot pan."
"You can't be blamed for that and honestly neither can fiancé-accidents happen."
"Sounds like fiancé is embarrassed and cannot give themselves grace so they need to turn it on you to protect their ego."
"You shouldn't be feeding into the blame game either."
"ESH."- gl00sen
"Stove hot and oven hot are very different types of hot, by about 250 degrees."
"The handle of a pan being used on the stove doesn't actually get that hot."
"In this scenario the pan was on the stove so it was reasonable to assume it had only been used on the stove."
"And it sounds like he had no way of knowing that particular pan just came out of the oven."
"So I do think you hold some blame."
"I can't justify 50%."
"I would settle more at around like 30% for not communicating."
"Because communication is inherently a shared blame since he also could have asked."
"But really, if someone is already cooking then you shouldn't be grabbing anything anywhere without a mitt."
"Which is why he gets extra blame."
"I'm hoping this is a friendly/jokey dispute and not something either of you actually got upset about."
"ESH I guess?"- ReflectP
Others felt that the OP didn't do anything wrong, as she had no way of knowing her fiancé was reaching for the pan, even if they still didn't think this relationship was a healthy one.
"NTA."
"But your relationship sounds exhausting."
"You're seriously arguing about what percentage of blame you should each take for a small, commonplace, household accident?"
"I shudder to imagine how you guys handle real problems."- jsrsquared
While a few didn't think anyone was at fault for the OP's fiancé burning himself, even if they felt the OP should have kept a closer eye on the hot pan, and still questioned if the OP and her fiancé were a good match:
"I think probably NAH, this is just something that happens and it's not worth assigning blame."
"That being said, I personally think a cast iron pan out of the oven should either be jealously guarded or have a towel over the handle — because a pan is the type of thing that visually looks like it should only be on the stove (therefore the handle doesn't get that hot) not something that goes in the oven (even though cast iron pans do)."
"So for safety reasons I think it's a live issue that the person making it dangerously hot should take more responsibility for me."- Independent-Drive-32
Then there were those who felt the OP should have warned her fiancé first thing, even if they too otherwise agreed about the OP's relationship:
"Honestly?"
"If I walk into a room and there's butter just melting in a pan, then I'm assuming the handle isn't hot because the base of the pan isn't hot enough to have melted the butter."
"For now, YTA - you should have said it was just taken out of the oven, or (as someone else has pointed out) wrapped something around the handle."
"Is it common that you make utensils dangerous before using them, though?"
"If so, he may have gone in with a little more caution."- moneywanted
"I say this lightly, but YTA."
"There's not a visual indicator that cast-irons are hot, they don't make any noise or change color, and if the stovetop itself was turned off, I would believe that *anyone* would misjudge and think it's maybe warm, but definitely not burning hot."
"Even when I'm the one cooking and just get busy I forget that it's hot and will grab it from time to time."
"Something that you may look into is some silicone high heat cast iron grips."
"I keep a silicone grip on the handle of mine other than when I'm washing it to keep myself from grabbing it while hot."- immadriftersbody
"YTA."
"There is a big difference between the handle getting a little hot on the stove, and you cooking with the damn thing in the OVEN."
"No sh*t it's way hotter than normal."
"So yes, you SHOULD have warned him that the pan was cooking in the oven."
"Of course, this all comes down to whether or not he 100% knew the cast iron pan was in the oven the whole time."
"But also."
"You both suck for debating percentages of blame....what an exhausting relationship."- Sure-Lingonberry-283
Upon reading all the reactions from the Reddit community, the OP returned with an update, sharing the aftermath of the incident, as well as the status of her relationship:
"Thank you all, my fiancé and I were so excited to post this and have our relationship ripped to shreds."
"We turned it into date night at a local pizza place, played AITA bingo and have loved all the comments."
"As always, these comments are rife with mis-readings of the post."
"He had no idea I just took the pan out of the oven, heating the cast iron in the pan is actually ideal over our shitty stove top, and you're all right, and I should get one of those silicone handles!"
"Thanks for the laughs, we had such a fun day."
"Reddit calling my relationship exhausting has been the highlight of my week."
"He accepts his idiot badge proudly."
Seeing as the OP and her fiancé were able to laugh this all off, one imagines their relationship is on somewhat steadier ground than the Reddit community seemed to think it was.
Even if one can't help but wonder if the OP's fiancé knows she referred to him as an idiot?...
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.