Money is tight for a lot of people right now.
So counting pennies and cutting costs are heavy on the minds of many, especially parents.
That's why luxuries aren't a top priority.
And expensive birthday parties can definitely be viewed as a luxury.
Redditor burner92739383 wanted to discuss their experience and get some feedback. So naturally, they came to visit the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit.
They asked:
"WIBTA if I didn't let my daughter go to her friend's 16th birthday party?"
The Original Poster (OP) explained:
"Context: My daughter is 15 and got invited to go out for 'dinner' (really lunch) at a K[orean] BBQ joint near us for her friend's 16th."
"My daughter has been dying to try KBBQ- and her friend is renting out a karaoke room."
"On the invitation, however, it says all the kids invited are required to bring $80 to pay for their own food and give back to the girl's mom for the karaoke room costs."
"I think this is BS- if you invite someone, you should be at least OFFERING to pay."
"At least that's how I was raised."
"And Korean BBQ- that stuff's not cheap!"
"Don't know about other places, but the restaurant my daughter was invited to charges like $60 for one meal which is expensive!!! "
"And expecting these 15-16-year-olds to bring that money is insane!"
"The food itself is enough, but what really doesn't make sense to me is why my kid is expected to pay back for the karaoke room. That wasn't even her idea."
"This is turning into a rant so to cut things short- I usually wouldn't have an issue just giving her the money even if it was annoying."
"But my husband got laid off recently, and money is tight."
"I really don't know if I'll be able to afford to give her $80 for food that, in all honesty, I don't think she'll even like."
"My daughter is very picky, so I really don't think she'll like anything other than maybe the meat."
"Anyway, I feel really bad telling her she can't go, especially since she's been struggling to make friends lately and is finally being invited to something."
"The guilt I'd feel not letting her go is tremendous, but I really can barely afford it right now."
"I'm sure I could make it work if I tried, but it would just be so much easier to have her tell her friend she's busy or something."
The OP was left to wonder:
"Anyway, WIBTA if I don't let her?"
Redditors shared their thoughts on this matter and weighed some options to the question AITA:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Many Redditors declared OP WOULD BE the A**hole.
"YWBTA if you don't handle this conversation well."
"Explain that money is tight, and that you don't love the way the invitation was handled, but do not discourage her because of things she might not like to eat."
"You should not pre-filter activities that she might not enjoy; that is part of growing up."
"She has to go and experience these things for herself."
"Maybe meet in the middle and explain that you will need some extra help with chores and stuff to help offset the cost, like an advance on some future allowance money."
"You are NTA for thinking this is a fairly rude invite for teenagers, essentially putting all the parents in a tough spot."
"The venue should 100% be covered, if not the food too." ~ CrankyBiker
"If you are not allowing her to go, YTA."
"If you are not giving her $80 so that she can go, but you are willing to let her pay for herself and help her figure out how to do work to earn it if she doesn't already have $80 saved, NAH." ~ curien
"YTA if you just keep her from going."
"Your daughter is old enough to start paying for these expenses herself."
"And she is also old enough for you to stop having the final say on what she can and can't spend her money on."
"And yeah, some of it is going to be stupid or not what you would've spent money on."
"But that is for both her and you to learn."
"Be fair and give her whatever money you ordinarily would've given her for a gift if this wasn't a paid party and explain this is all you can spare right now and that the rest is up to her."
"Remind her that your family's finances have changed and you all need to make changes as a result."
"Leave it to your daughter to decide if it is worth going to the party if she has to pay the rest herself."
"If you can help her earn the rest of the money through chores (or hooking her up with family/friends that have a few chores for her) do that." ~ palcatraz
"Did you seriously just say that 'you don't think she'd like anything besides meat' in regards to a K-BBQ?"
"It's 90% meat."
"Don't impose your own opinions onto her."
"If she's excited about trying a K-BBQ you shouldn't be trying to persuade her otherwise - even if this party isn't an option."
"If you can't afford it, then be honest with her about it."
"You should be talking to her about all of this and considering reasonable compromises if possible."
"You could suggest she do small jobs to gain some pocket money to ease the financial strain, etc."
"If your main reason is 'it would be easier to say she's busy' then yes that is an AH move."
"You've admitted that she's struggling to make friends and that this is something that would bring her genuine joy, if you're taking that from her because 'it's easier,' that's incredibly harsh to your daughter."
"As for 'you're not sure it's worth it' that depends on what value you're placing on it."
"In monetary regards?"
"No it's probably not."
"For your daughter's happiness and mental health?"
"That's up to you."
"If you genuinely can't afford it and there are no other options, then that's a different story."
"Again, have an honest and open discussion with her and actually listen to what she is saying."
"If the party is a no go at least she will know you tried to make it happen and aren't just dismissing her feelings."
"For now I withhold judgment as at this point I think you're in a neutral position."
"I believe how you handle this matter would sway judgment either way." ~ Suspicious-Bit4888
"I would just add to this."
"Money is tight, so that explanation should be enough for you to not make this big expense."
"But she has struggled with friends."
"So it's big that she finally is branching out with that."
"It's important to help and support it."
"That being said, I would come to more of an agreement."
"She has to pick up a couple of babysitting jobs over the next couple of weekends to cover this (or at least half)."
"'Daddy isn't working. So we don't have the money to spend on this.'"
"'But I know you really want to go.'"
"'And I really want you to go too.'"
"'But I think the only way is if we meet in the middle.'"
"'I can cover half and you the other half. I know you don't have money right now, so I'll LEND you the other half.'"
"'And over the weekends you can do a couple of babysitting jobs for neighbors.'"
"'Or mowing their lawns. Etc.'"
"'If we can agree to this, I'll be happy to cover half of it.'"
"'I'll tighten some other expenses here and there just to make sure we can comfortably spend the half.'"
"'What do you think?'"
"This will help her understand the situation you're in."
"And hopefully, some babysitting can be more consistent for her, and she can start getting her own money." ~ Cesarlikethesalad
"I mean I remember being invited to friends' parties when I was younger and my mother giving me money for the event."
"Skating rink or bowling party."
"The space was rented and decorations, cake, and maybe ice cream and drinks were provided."
"But if I was bowling/skating or playing video games or any other activity I was expected to pay plus the cost of a birthday present."
"That was decades ago but would have put my mom out $20-40."
"I feel like this is about the same."
"So I think YWBTAH if you straight up said no."
"But have a conversation with your daughter."
"Maybe even have a conversation with the parent of their friend."
"It may be a little embarrassing to talk about your financial problems, but I feel a parent of a close friend would understand and maybe be lenient on maybe forgoing the karaoke room fee to help out." ~ PublicFishing3199
"YTA. If you can make it work but can't be bothered, you're an a**hole."
"It sounds like you're trying to justify not giving her the money so badly to make yourself sound better in your own head."
"If you flat out could not afford £80, then absolutely NTA but it sounds like you could if you tried."
"Get her to do some chores for pocket money, help her sell some old clothes to rack up that amount if you really can't dish it out."
"Don't make your child miss out on something because you're caught up on principles." ~ Sparkleunicorn272727
"YTA if you don't let her go given your comments about her struggling to make friends."
"Brainstorm with her how she can earn at least some of the money to pay for it."
"And the other mom is absolutely TA do do it like this."
"Tacky beyond belief."
"But that's a separate question from choosing to exclude your daughter from this event." ~ kaan3836
"YTA. You said you could find a way to make it work, but it would be so much easier if she didn't go."
"I hope that hasn't always been your mentality with your kid(s) or life in general."
"My parents didn't have much money growing up, but we never went without, and they refused to let us miss out on important experiences while still having conversations with us once we were old enough."
"Let her go, but explain this will be her allowance for a few weeks."
"Or tell her if she wants to go, you also cannot purchase a gift, and she should make something for her friend."
"Ordinarily, I wouldn't judge someone else's financial situation, but since you said you could make it work but want to take the easy way out, I am." ~ AdSmart6143
"YWBTA. If you can't afford it, that's fine."
"Tell your daughter that."
"Be apologetic."
"If you can afford it, but don't want her to go on principle, YTA."
"DO NOT expect her to lie to her friends so you can save face."
"It's wild that you would even suggest that she tell them she is 'busy.'" ~ Primus_is_OK_I_guess
"YTA. At this age, especially since she's struggling to make friends already, being excluded would be devastating."
"Make it work."
"But have a frank conversation with her about the money."
"Tell her you understand this is important and you support her, but you need her to start contributing to her 'fun' expenses, either through a job or by performing tasks and chores."
"Use this as an opportunity for a learning experience and a show of support." ~ Any_Yogurtcloset7865
"YWBTA, and she may never forgive you."
"Just pay to let her go."
"My parents used to take me and my friends to theme parks. Everyone paid their own way."
"My parents took the job of driving and chaperoning."
"It's not like paying for everyone is always assumed." ~ jaimechandra
"As someone who struggled for friends all through high school, young me hates you."
"Current age me understands your dilemma, but I really suggest you do what you can to scrape up the money and let her go. YWBTA." ~ saltedkumihimo
"YTA. She's having a hard time making friends and you've admitted you are a big spender, but now the pocketbook is suddenly closed." ~ Electrical_Sky5833
"Is it tacky to ask guests to pay their way on an invitation? Kind of."
"Are your concerns over money valid? Of course!"
"But with that said… she's 15 and excited about going to a party for one of her only friends."
"Unless you're awful parents, making her skip this would probably be a shoe-in for top 5 in 'most devastating childhood memories.'"
"YWBTA if you don't at least try to make this work."
"Maybe you could explain the situation to the other mom and ask to pay less or pay later." ~ boooooooooo_cowboys
"YWNBTA. It's outrageous to charge people money to attend a birthday party, let alone $80 for a kid's birthday party."
"It's a lesson for her."
"If people ask for something outrageous, turn them down."
"You can work on other ways of getting her in the social swim." ~ Regular_Boot_3540
OP came back to chat...
"It's only been like 30 minutes, but thank you for the responses."
"Honestly, you all have opened my eyes a lot to ways to go about this I didn't even consider."
"I want to say I really do like the idea of her getting her own money to pay, but the party is in a week and she does not have a job."
"She doesn't really have any way to make money (that doesn't involve chores, but either way, that would come out of my pockets. And before you twist this sentence, I have no problem giving her allowance, it's just the current situation in which it's hard)."
"And she's a big spender, which she got from me haha, so she doesn't really have money saved up."
"Don't worry- I have a savings account for her."
"I also appreciate your criticisms about how I said 'she probably won't like it.'"
"I guess I didn't realize KBBQ was mostly meat."
"I thought it would have more traditional Korean food, which is a judgment error on my part."
"I actually am happy she wants to expand her tastes, so I understand the way I worded it was iffy."
"If and when I reach a consensus, I will update you all, so thank you for your comments and suggestions."
"They help a ton."
This is a tough situation, OP.
Reddit certainly has a lot of creative ideas that could help.
It's nice to hear that you're open to suggestions.
The money part of it is such a struggle.
Hopefully, you can all make this work.
Good luck.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
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