Content Warning: Grief, Processing Grief
When two people fall in love and get married, one key conversation they need to have at some point is what they will do when one of them passes away.
Some people are more comfortable than others with the idea of moving on and finding love again, pointed out the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit, while others cling to their late spouse's memory, whether they want to admit it or not.
Redditor FickleTime4717 loved her husband and was aware of the fairy-tale-like love he'd experienced in his first marriage with his late wife.
But when he said he wanted to name their first daughter after his late wife, the Original Poster (OP) felt like a rebound wife and like they would be setting up their daughter for a life of unhappiness.
She asked the sub:
"AITAH for refusing to name my daughter after my husband's dead wife?"
The OP knew about her husband's past, fairy-tale-like relationship.
"I (39 Female) have been married to my husband (45 Male) for three years now. It's an extremely healthy relationship, and I couldn't wish for anything more."
"He was previously married at 35 for a year and a half before his wife sadly passed away of severe hypoxia from pulmonary edema."
"They were dating for over four years, and according to the way he talks about her, they were straight out of a fairy tale."
"His late wife was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy a year into their marriage and was given medication to manage her symptoms. However, she was always expecting her death even though doctors had assured her she could lead a normal life."
But the OP's husband never told her about the promise he'd made to his late wife.
"However, she was later again diagnosed with pulmonary edema, which was when she started to prepare herself for death."
"She assured my husband that he could marry later on and she'd want him to lead a normal life. She, however, requested that if he ever gave birth to a daughter, the baby could be named after her, as she's always wanted one and was unsuccessful with having any children."
"Before we got married, my husband, of course, let me know all of the above. However, he failed to mention his late wife's request."
"I deeply empathized with him, and I was there whenever he needed support."
The truth about the "pact" came out when the OP was pregnant.
"Anyhow, I'm currently pregnant with our first child, and we're both over the moon."
"When it was time to decide on a baby name for our daughter, he stood firm on naming her after his late wife."
"As much as he expected it, I refused. I told him I couldn't put that burden on our unborn daughter as to him, she'll always remind him of his late wife, and he'll fail to see her as his daughter."
"That's when he let me know of the 'pact' he made with his wife and that he felt as if that was the only way he could pay her a tribute."
The OP felt deeply conflicted.
"Now I haven't given him a response. I haven't told him how I felt about it. I just told him we'll see as it's still too early to decide."
"I genuinely can't help but feel hurt as it feels like, after all these years, he'd still choose his late wife over me. I somewhat feel like a 'rebound', and though I can't victimize myself in this situation, the way he insisted on naming our daughter made me feel inferior."
"I also just can't let him pay tribute like that, as our daughter will always feel like his first wife to him, if that makes sense."
"What should I do in this situation, and am I wrong?"
"AITAH?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some pointed out that the OP couldn't be forced to keep a promise she didn't make.
"NTA."
"You can't make a pact on someone else's behalf."
"He knew when making the promise to his wife that any daughter would have another parent, who also would have to agree to the daughter's name."
"Sounds like he needs some counseling to deal with the unresolved grief having a daughter is bringing up for him. No rational person would think this was a fair or reasonable request." - photosbeersandteach
"I wonder what made the late wife think this was a reasonable request. I don't know how much pain she was in, but she must have realized that no woman would agree to name their daughter after their husband's dead first wife." - madempress
"The husband's faking the 'pact' thing, and we might as well throw in, 'And this is totally not at all about me not fully processing her death and maybe having lingering grief or unresolved feelings.'"
"Regardless of whether he made it up or not, if anyone takes these pacts seriously they should be telling a partner immediately. Not waiting until the kid is nearly born. And he should understand that a potential life partner, no matter how much they love him, may not agree." - linerva
"My wife had a daughter when we got together, and her daughter's middle name is my wife's mom's first name. We had a daughter together, and her middle name is my mom's first name."
"Now THAT, that is fair, even though my mom does have a southern-a** name (to the effect of 'TammyTina,' two names, no space, both capitalized and an alliteration, but my mom's name is much prettier, it's just super unique) but to name our daughter after an ex, this is our relationship, not a harem of all our baggage."
"The fact that the husband and late wife thought that a future wife would agree to this is a bit mind-boggling and makes me think all of these decisions were made during times of great illness and terrible grief and just held onto through unprocessed grief. I wouldn't call the husband AH, but if he keeps pushing his grief on his current wife, he will be." - TimT_Necromancer
"Here's what I would say: 'I am not a replacement or a rebound, and while you may have made this agreement with her, you did not make it with ME. I was not part of that discussion, and I never would have agreed to have a child with you if you were going to prioritize that agreement over our relationship.'"
"'Additionally, our child will not be named after or raised in the shadow of your previous wife. I respect that you always love her in some respect, but our daughter deserves better than to grow up in someone else's shadow.'"
"NTA, OP." - ChakraMama318
"Fair's fair: When the OP's husband gives birth to a daughter, he can uphold the pact he made." - Bully-meet-Fraggle
Others were suspicious the OP's husband was trying to manipulate her with the "pact."
"I think he is lying. His late wife didn't say this at all. He conveniently didn't bring up that it was a 'pact' he made until op already said absolutely not."
"Sounds like a last-ditch effort to manipulate her into doing what he wants." - Salty_Possibility917
"'By the way, now that a tiny human we made together is growing inside you, I made a pact with my dying wife that we would name that human after her, so we have to do that.' - the OP's husband, probably." - HumanContinuity
"If the husband's late wife had asked, he would mentioned it upfront since it was her earnest desire. He is just coming up with the dead wife excuse to remember her and avoid a fight with OP."
"Generally, daughters are not named after wives; it's just icky. They are a different kind of relationship. Middle name maybe is okay." - abstractengineer2000
"It's weird he never mentioned this before and weird his previous wife would think his next wife would be okay with that. I think a middle name is maybe okay, but I would also be careful about agreeing to use her name as a middle name because he might always call her that instead of her first name."
"I definitely think he hasn't fully worked through the loss of his first wife, and there are other ways to pay tribute to her, such as donating to her favorite charity in her name or buying a bench with her name on it in her favorite park, etc." - HeloKety86
"I'm questioning if there ever was a pact. I know many people who had fairytale marriages and told their partners to please move on after they have passed. They wanted their partner to remarry."
"Nowhere, not ever, never in any situation have I heard the dying spouse ask to have a child named after them."
"I believe your spouse is lying to you because he still loves his first wife. He may feel guilty about falling in love again, of having a child that he and his first wife often talked of having and dreaming together about that life. There are a myriad of other issues/reasons, none of them having to do with you, your child, or your marriage."
"He needs therapy ASAP. He needs it now so when your child does arrive, he can be there for both of you to celebrate this new life and family you are creating as one, not keep reminiscing about what this life would be like if his first wife were still in it. NTA." - SuzanneAbigail
The subReddit felt terrible for the OP and her future daughter because of what the OP's husband was asking of them.
Just because the OP's husband wanted this, with or without the existence of the "pact," did not mean that the OP had agreed to it, and it certainly wasn't fair to subject their daughter to a life of living in someone else's shadow.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.