Content Warning: Adult Child Loss, Partner Loss, Grief, Grieving Process
Grief is often a terrible, ugly thing, and it impacts everyone differently. How we process will be different for each person, from how we behave to how long it takes for the healing process to begin.
But lashing out at someone for not being the person we miss is completely unreasonable, pointed out the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITAH) subReddit, no matter how much we miss the other person.
Redditor throwawaydhdj6582 was surprised when his girlfriend wanted him to meet two very special people in her life: her late boyfriend's parents.
But when they openly criticized him and compared him to their late son, the Original Poster (OP) wasn't sure if he could stay in the relationship if it meant continuing to be in touch with the late boyfriend's parents.
He asked the sub:
"WIBTAH (Would I be the a**hole) for breaking up with my girlfriend because of what her late boyfriend's dad says to me?"
The OP's girlfriend recently introduced him to her late boyfriend's parents.
"My girlfriend's last boyfriend died in a car crash some years ago. My girlfriend told me about this when we became official."
"Now, she's still close to her dead boyfriend's mom and dad, and she wanted to introduce me to them."
"I thought it'd be awkward, but I decided to go along with it. After all, she mentioned that she considers them just like her own parents."
The late boyfriend's parents were endlessly critical of the OP.
"We've visited them a few times, and the dad made comments."
"One time, the dad talked up how 'manly' his son was, how he used to work on cars, how you could always tell he was a real man because his hands were always dirty."
"He asked me what I did for work, and I said I work as an accountant. He said, 'Yeah, I could tell it was something like that, your hands haven't seen any real work.'"
"It's been like this every time we visit them. He mentions how great his son is at something, and asks me something and then says how 'unmanly' I am."
The OP's girlfriend was not ready to listen to his concerns.
"I've talked to my girlfriend about it, but she says I'm just being insecure, and I shouldn't feel threatened by it."
"I told her I don't want to visit them anymore. And we got into a pretty big fight. She said that maybe the dad was right and that I needed to be more manly."
"Would I be the a**hole if I broke up with her?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some couldn't imagine trying to live up to the expectations the OP had in front of him.
"The OP's girlfriend and the late boyfriend's father have, understandably, bonded through grief. The girlfriend is a reminder of their dead son, and the parents are a reminder of her dead boyfriend."
"The Dad will never accept a new man in her life because their existence is a reminder that his son is dead."
"The OP will never, ever win. NTA." - Overall-Stop-8573
"NTA. If you get married and have kids, just wait for dead boyfriend's parents to tell you how much cuter the kids would be if they were their son's kids instead of yours. And to name the first son after the dead boyfriend." - jam7789
"If your girlfriend is taking the dead boyfriend's dad side when he disrespected you, then it's time to walk away."
"You will never be number one; the dead guy is. You can make billions of dollars and he will always have her heart."
"Just move on. NTA." - ncjr591
"You can never live up to a deceased person. If she can't let go of the past, there is no future." - hiimlauralee
"There was a post here about a guy who was in a similar situation with his wife. His wife still kept in contact with her late husband's parents."
"They come over to visit the baby OP had with the wife often and talked about how the baby is pretty but imagine how pretty the baby would be if the wife had a baby with their late son."
"I can't imagine the pain of losing your own child. But it's not nice to be insensitive like that even in your grief." - Pizzacato567
"So… This is about as weird as it gets, man."
"Tell her it's over unless she decides to get a major reality check. You don't deserve to have some guy making passive-aggressive comments about you because you're living the life he wishes his son could live."
"It's not fair from her, even, to keep torturing them with the daughter-in-law they'll never actually have. Any therapist would 100% side with you, and if y'all are in any way serious, I would recommend you go see one ASAP because that's the most unhealthy thing of all time."
"Gotta move on from this one if she doesn't see the light." - EhhhhhhWhatever
"She is still dating her dead boyfriend. OP is merely the warm body meant to integrate into her perfect life living in the past with her dead boyfriend and his parents." - starktargaryen75
"NTA. The OP said, 'She says I'm just being insecure.' She has to be a fully paid member of the Reddit brigade."
"Any time a man expresses any standard, boundary, preference or doubt, he is accused of being 'insecure.'"
"The minute your girlfriend said you needed to be more manly is the moment you should have kicked her ass to the curb."
"As you are throwing her out, tell her you decided to 'man up.'"
"Your girlfriend is a huge a**hole." - BlueGreen_1956
Others agreed and couldn't imagine having two sets of in-laws to deal with.
"It's like having an extra set of in-laws that don't approve of you."
"Who the h**l needs that? I had what I called in-laws, ex-laws, and outlaws. It was h**l. Nobody likes you and you don't even know these muthas!" - danddroid126
"NTA. You are saving yourself from a lifetime of miserable visits and unnecessary comparisons." - sine_denarios
"NTA. Why does she want you to have a relationship with these people?"
"She's free to maintain a relationship. Insisting on introducing you, and continuing to take you around there, independent of the disrespect and lack of understanding, is just creepy." - SharkWeekJunkie
"If she can't see how disrespectful the father is being to you, and instead takes his side, it sounds to me like they both can't move on from their loss and trying to force you into becoming the dead boyfriend."
"They choose not to move on, but you definitely should. They are being the AH to you. Find someone who respects you and loves you for who you are." - Foxbythesea247
"I'm sure if his ex's mom was always droning on about how pretty and perfect her daughter was and that she could never even hope to live up to her memory OP's (hopefully ex) girlfriend would lose her mind."
"If she wouldn't accept that kind of treatment, OP shouldn't, either. It takes all kinds of people in all kinds of positions to make life work. It's great he was 'manly' and could work on cars. Could he sell one, though? Could he work out financing for someone? Would he be able to forecast whether someone could even afford to finance the vehicle he worked so hard on?"
"I understand people like to glorify the dead but it's such a small-minded, prejudiced thing to say to anyone. And honestly, if that's their 'family' dynamic, I'd reflect on what a family with this woman would look like if that's acceptable to her."
"Would any future son be able to be emotional? Take interest in more 'brain than brawn' education or pursuits/hobbies? There's a lot more to consider than the slight against OP." - z00k33per0304
"The first mistake was agreeing to meet the ex's parents. I would have had a hard, fast 'hold on' moment."
"Move on, leave her with the dead ex's parents, and find someone not carrying a torch for the past." - kevtay1969
"Your girlfriend needs to stand up for you and demand that they respect her relationship. She's not doing that. In fact, she's putting you down. She doesn't seem to care about your feelings. No one would be ok with this."
"Maybe you should take her to an ex-girlfriend's house and have those set of parents tell her how much better their daughter is. Or maybe she should find someone "manly" and you should find someone who is a decent person and a good partner." - Away-Understanding34
"You tried, and that's more than most people would do. The dad obviously misses his son and is in pain. This does not give him the right to treat you as he does."
"Tell your girlfriend that you don't mind if she goes but it's obviously very painful for the dad to see you in his sons' place, so it's better if you do not go and visit them. She's free to visit as she likes, you'll never stand in the way of that."
"If she cannot handle that or thinks less of you, you have a tough choice."
"Also, I hope you know, if you marry her, they will be invited, she will likely treat them as grandparents if you have kids. Yes, it's a long way off, but it will eventually happen. So grow a thick skin, or protect yourself another way." - ph_ph-photobomb
"Take their advice. Man Up. Dump this whole toxic, cold-hearted group of id**ts." - HasOneHere
The subReddit felt that the OP was in an impossible position and completely understood considering leaving the relationship. It was clear that the late boyfriend's parents were still processing their loss, but it seemed likely that the OP's girlfriend wasn't ready for a new relationship, either.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.