We all make mistakes, and our family members are no exception.
But knowing this doesn't necessarily make it easier to know how to help them get back on their feet.
One big sister, Redditor "sillyapplepie," is struggling with this right now, as she decides whether or not to take her younger sister into her home while she starts over.
The Redditor asked the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITA) subReddit if she was in the wrong for hesitating to offer help, despite her family's pressure.
The Redditor asked:
"AITA for rejecting my sister after her positive HIV test?"
The Redditor felt she had to grow up in a way her younger sister didn't.
"I'm (26 F[emale]) my Asian parents' first kid, I was the test-trial child. I had f**kups so my sister (19F) won't. They count on me for things since they're not good with English. I was forced to mature at a young age."
"Then my sister came. I guess that they saw that I turned out fine, they didn't need to restrict my sister like a dog. They're overbearing to her, but tiger-parents to me. They favor her like a daughter while they treat me more of a friend-daughter than actual daughter."
Her younger sister still felt their parents were too protective, however.
"Sister was angry at their protectiveness that she turned rebellious in high school. She knew she had more leeway than I did. She was right, they tried to stop her from partying and getting drunk with other kids."
Last year, her sister disappointed their parents.
"She fell pregnant last year, no baby daddy in picture. My parents have traditional Asian beliefs, and by traditional, I mean bullheaded beliefs that'll bend a trident. They had high hopes for her: college, good-paying job and a family of her own."
The parents made a surprising offer.
"They were angry at her pregnancy, but they didn't believe in abortion so they made a deal. She gets her education and goes to college; they will help with the baby and tuition."
The Redditor didn't agree with the message her parents' plan sent.
"As you can see, education and money mean more to my parents than my sister's responsibility to her unborn child."
"In true sister fashion, she took advantage of their forgiveness. She graduated, refused to apply to colleges."
In the meantime, the Redditor moved out to start her own life.
"I've moved out of that household when I started college. I love my parents and my sister, but my mental health was not great then and wanted to get away."
"My sister rarely calls or texts me, only when she wants something. I still talk to my parents."
She later discovered her younger sister had tested positive for HIV.
"I guess the straw that broke their camel backs was the positive HIV test, don't know what led to the testing. We had drifted into estranged siblings."
"My parents disowned her. They were tired of the disappointment she brings. They say she's an embarrassment to their household since we're close with our relatives."
"These things don't stay quiet; relatives know everything somehow."
After the news spread, her sister turned to her for help.
"My sister asks me to take her in. I declined; I have a roommate who owns fuzzy spiders. My sister accused me of turning our parents against her (I said 'Okay, not my problem.' About her pregnancy) and judging her choices."
"My views have been influenced by my parents. I value money a lot, I'm stingy. She's not working and I'm not going to support her when she job-hunts."
Her mother, however, hopes that she will step in as a role model.
"Recently, she called aunty who called mom about my sister sleeping on her friend's couch and it's not healthy for baby. That in turn got me involved when mom told me to take her in (Dad's not budging)."
"She said that I was the responsible daughter and I need to be a role model for my sister, it's the only way she'll learn."
"That brought back memories of favoritism."
"I talked it over with roommate and he said that family will always have favoritism, but I only have one sister. I love my sister, but I feel devalued, I don't know if that's the right word."
The Redditor wondered if she was in the wrong for not wanting to take her sister in.
"AITA for rejecting sister when she needs me?"
Fellow Redditors replied with anonymous feedback, using the following scale:
- NTA: "Not the A**hole"
- YTA: "You're the A**hole"
- ESH: "Everybody Sucks Here"
- NAH: "No A**holes Here"
Some voted YTA.
"I'm going to add a YTA for perpetuating the stigma that an HIV diagnosis carries. This story and relationship seem to have lots of issues and pinning the title on the diagnosis is a**holery."
"I hope you all get the help you need and come out of this better informed, happier people." -craigsotherfriend
"YTA. To be sure, you're not TA for not taking her in. That's a difficult decision that has a lot of other moving parts and, while it would be a kind gesture in order to help her avoid being houseless, it's understandable if you do not wish to have her and her baby live with you for an indefinite period of time."
"What you did that is wrong is rejecting her as a person. She is not less of a person because she has HIV. You speak about your sister in a dismissive and stigmatizing tone. There is a lot of stigma about HIV and I encourage you to reflect upon the ways in which you are contributing to it. People who have HIV should not be blamed or shamed. For what it's worth, though, HIV is a manageable disease these days and your sister has the potential to live a long and meaningful life."
"It sounds like part of your feelings relate to what you perceive as a pattern of favoritism from your parents. I encourage you to seek your own support for that, such as therapy. But your sister is not responsible for how your parents treated the two of you differently." - jogam
Two Redditors in particular pointed out that everyone was at fault with ESH.
"ESH. Your parents suck for being so callous towards their pregnant, HIV+ daughter and leaving her homeless, all because she 'embarrassed' your family. Overbearing, super-strict parents really suck (I would know, I come from a similar household)."
"Your sister sucks for what sounds like entitlement and poor choices. It doesn't say how she got HIV, it could have been not of her doing. Sounds like she's at a super vulnerable point in her life though, and you turn to family during these moments."
"Lastly, it's clear you're jealous and resentful of her, all because of the choices your parents made in raising you both. That's not on her, that's on your parents. While I don't think you necessarily need to take her in, you should definitely have a talk with your parents about letting her back in the house since HIV is the only reason they're kicking her out." - thelastseven
"I don't think you're an a**hole as it sounds like some deep rooted issues there but if you love her as you say you do - she needs you right now. Imagine for a second the regrets she must feel about her choices when she was given the news of not one, not two, but three life altering decisions she has no control over."
"HIV is terrifying. Pregnancy is terrifying. Homelessness is terrifying. Losing the love of your family is beyond terrifying - nothing would make you feel more alone."
"I simply hope someone can find some compassion for her, if not her own parents and if not her own sister." - robertjohn014
Some pointed out the real people at fault here were the parents.
"I just want to point out, to me it seems like OP is pointing out parentification which is a form of child abuse and is common in Asian households. It's not simply resentment, it's a different kind and I really do think OP should go to therapy."
"But I don't think OP is the asshole for not wanting to help. I just think judging someone for positive HIV status is wrong so I'm not putting a judgement here." - baby_witch_raver
"NTA mom has to work harder and not offload her to you. you are not a parent like them" - puesyomero
"This makes me so mad. She's 19. Your parents are AH here. They can't disown a person and pass them to 'the responsible one'. Your parents are rejecting your sister and trying to force her onto you. NTA." - DaiZzedandConFuZed
"At what point is enough? Sis sounds like a leech. She'll hang around, likely not getting a job, fob off the baby on OP to go out."
"At what point do you say 'I can't do everything around here, you need to leave?' At what point would kicking out her sis and baby be fine? Also, giving her money just shows that someone is willing to bail her out."
"Talk to the parents about not being a**holes and taking care of the daughter they failed to raise responsibly. She's their responsibility, not OPs. (Technically, younger sis is her own responsibility but we won't go there.)" - Vinastrasza
Others said the younger sister was really at fault for her choices.
"The sister has been living a selfish lifestyle. Not caring for her older sister. She made her bed. The OP is her sister, not her mother."
"It is directly the fault of her mother and father's actions. Now that is is difficult to take care of her and they want the older sister to step in, after being bottom of totem pole for so many years?!"
"Yes it is sad the sister is homeless and pregnant with HIV. That is not the older sister fault or obligation in any way. The younger sister chose to live a blasé lifestyle. Now she has burned her bridges."
"She needs to learn to take care of herself and that child, or give it up for adoption. That was her decisions that led to that. Not her sister's. She is a sibling not a parent. She has zero obligations to her little sister. NTA" - phobicgirly
"You are not her parent and it's not the siblings job to parent younger sibs. You do not have to allow toxicity into your space. Although I will agree with them on seeking help."
"I have a toxic sister that is very similar to yours. She is also the family favorite and my parents often try to pawn her and her issues on me. My therapist has helped to reinforce my values while also making my boundaries clear."
"You can decline to host your sister while also making your boundaries clear to your parents and show respect to your cultural background. It's a delicate balance, but can be done."
"Good luck OP. NTA. Period." - La_Puta
"I think the sister has made many poor life decisions that has led to her current position, none of which are the responsibility of the OP. If OP feels like giving her a place to stay wouldn't stress her out too much, it'd be the kind thing to do."
"But I can't imagine having to take on someone who is going to require massive medical attention and is bringing in a child into the world, all with absolutely 0 income."
"And the sister likely won't be much help around the house either given she's pregnant and will be recovering afterwards. That's a significant commitment." - ChaoticMidget
One Redditor pointed out that while the true fault was with the parents, the OP needed to work on her perspective of the situation, too.
"A lot to unpack here. First off, NTA. It's not your place to have to burden yourself for the mistakes of others, especially when there is a child involved."
"That said, I think that you are an a**hole, and probably just because of ignorance and culture, so not entirely your fault, and obviously discussions regarding cultural issues require much more nuance than is reasonable on the internet, so I'll keep this as short and concise as I can."
"Shaming your sister for HIV is a disgusting thing to do."
"Of course the culture of your family unfortunately forced your sister into a place that she was not ready for, and I honestly feel bad for her, shaming over pregnancy, I would almost guarantee that your family touts 'abstinence' as the only acceptable birth control."
"[R]efusing to allow basically a child to have an abortion over some ridiculous sense of morality, then refuse to hold themselves accountable, instead disowning their own daughter for what realistically equated to their decision and parenting is morally indefensible."
"There's a lot of issues here, and they all lead back to controlling and abusive parents" - Dredge917
After receiving feedback, the Redditor returned to her post to share her thoughts.
"Thank you for your thoughtful inputs (YTA, NTA, ESH), I read them and will continue to read them."
"1) I've already painted her in a negative light subconsciously, so I won't go into how she has treated me in detail, but I can say that it was hard to be around her."
"She could do no wrong when she was a child and I could do everything wrong if I'm not mindful. She wasn't verbally or emotionally mean, we just never got close for various reasons."
"2) To answer the spider question: my roommate didn't get them from a reputable place, he got them from another friend and don't know what kind they are. We just know it's not poisonous and don't know how much harm it can bring."
She has a familial relationship with her sister but isn't sure how to connect with her.
"3) I love my sister in the familial sense, I'll always see her as my blood family. However, I can't love her as a person, at least not now. Every time I look at her, I just want to stay away."
"The title's probably wrong and too harsh. And, thank you for educating me about HIV, I'm still ignorant about it. I didn't reject her because of her diagnosis or the baby, but because she brings back painful memories of me being a low priority and loved second."
"In a way, I'm thinking like my parents, it was just the last straw that drained me. I'm tired of looking after her. I try looking past our differences before coming on here, but I can't, I'm physically unable to nor am I mentally ready."
She also doesn't want to place all of the responsibility on her concerned aunt.
"4) She is close to the aunt on my mom's side, but the aunt doesn't want to get between family business. She's also in a tough spot. Aunty can take her in, but it'll cause a rift between her and my dad."
"I don't want to put that burden on my aunt. She doesn't deserve unwarranted disdain from my dad or strain the relationship between families."
At this point, she isn't sure what to do next.
"5) I don't have a long term plan, I don't even know where to start with a short term plan to help. You guys are right, it's not my sister's fault. A few mentioned what I feel is more than resentment. I think from a young age, I've started to hate her deep down and I never noticed it."
"I wasn't able to come to terms with it because I was the big sister and I needed to be responsible for her in whatever way that I can."
She even wishes everyone on the thread had been harder on her.
"I wish the unanimous verdict was YTA. It's what I deserve for even thinking of abandoning my sister when she hasn't done anything at a dangerous time like this."
"She and her baby needs me, it's what big sisters are here for."
The Redditor has clearly put a lot of thought into this situation already, but what decision she will make remains unclear, probably most of all to her.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp