The loss of a loved one can be one of the most difficult things to grieve and it can be tempting to look back fondly on that person.
What happens though when that fond recollection starts poisoning the view you have of those still in your life?
This was the issue facing Redditor and Original Poster (OP) frustratedwithbil when she came to the "Am I the A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for some outside opinions.
She asked:
"AITA for telling my brother-in-law (BIL) to stop comparing my sister to his dead wife?"
OP began with a quick breakdown of the family and the history.
"I am 32 F[emale]."
"My sister is 37 F. My BIL is 40 M[ale]."
"My BIL was married to his high school sweetheart, but she died tragically about 10 years ago."
"He and my sister got together 4 years ago, and they have been married for 1 year."
Then she got to the problem at hand.
"My BIL constantly compares my sister to his wife who passed."
"These are fake names, but say my sister's name is Amy and his dead wife's name is Betty."
"He will say things like 'Amy is not much of a cook, but Betty always made the best steak. I'd do anything to eat her cooking again.' "
"Or my sister has flat, straight, brown hair that she is somewhat insecure about."
"And my BIL will say 'Betty always had such beautiful blonde hair. It was so thick and shiny.' "
"My sister has told me that these comments make her feel incredibly insecure and unloved, but she doesn't want to bring it up and seemingly insult his dead wife."
"The other day, I went to lunch with my BIL, sister, and my two brothers and their partners."
"My BIL made a passing comment about how he wanted a dog but my sister is horribly allergic."
"He said 'Betty was such a dog person. She would let me have a dog if she was still around.' Then he moved on like it was nothing."
"I didn't confront him in front of everything, but after lunch, I pulled him aside and told him to 'shut up about Betty.' "
"He said that I was being really rude, and he was just honoring her memory by talking about her."
"I said he could talk about her, but he didn't need to compare my sister to her ever."
"He said that the comparison was natural in his mind because they were both his wives, and the comparisons were usually funny and lighthearted."
OP was left to wonder...
"I really disagree with him, but I had to leave it there because he had somewhere to be. But it's been really bothering me, so I wanted to ask here, AITA?"
Having explained the situation, OP turned to Reddit for some outside perspectives.
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided: NTA
Some suggested that there were deeper problems.
"It's almost as if he doesn't acknowledge that his first wife and second wife are two separate people with different strengths and weaknesses."
"And by holding up his first wife as some paragon of perfect wifeliness he does a disservice to his living wife but also to his deceased wife by reducing her to a shadow of his memory instead of a complex human being with pros and cons, graces and faults."
"In doing so, he has ultimately failed them both." ~ The2nd_N
Also,
"NTA."
"Your BIL has serious issues and needs to get some professional help."
"Ten years is a significant amount of time to mourn someone, and he is being extremely unfair to your sister by constantly comparing Amy to Betty."
"You need to talk to Amy and tell her to start standing up for herself. She sounds like she is already unhappy in her marriage as it is" ~ empowerment_princess
Some even theorized why BIL was behaving this way.
"NTA"
"I don't know if you should open the topic again but I'd prepare for a very rough road for your sister. Be ready to support her. She will need it."
"Essentially he's deified his first wife in his mind."
"He's idolized her and is experiencing euphoric recall or 'rosy recollection', elevating her memory to a place of worship."
"Everything in his relationship with your sister is going to be subject to comparison to Betty's 'perfect' memory."
"This can only lead to disaster IMO."
"It sounds to me like he's never actually accepted and grieved her death."
"He expects (subconsciously) Amy to fill the emotional and spiritual void left by Betty, which of course Amy can't do even if he hadn't elevated Betty's memory to a place of perfection." ~ throwawaysamplesize9
Others thought BIL could use a taste of his own medicine.
"I can't believe I had to scroll this far to find this comment."
"But I would convince sister to do these 'lighthearted jokes'."
"Something like 'if comparing partners you had is fun and harmless for BIL, you can do that too. He is not sensitive, he does the same, of course he must understand that in your mind the comparison is only natural...' "
"Of course, not in a manipulating way, more a 'make him drop the bullsh*t' way, a sarcastic one. Will sister do that? No, because, unlike BIL, she's kind and empathetic. But he doesn't deserve it!" ~ HolidayPanda9790
Or,
"I can't believe he didn't do those comparisons while they were dating."
"They need counseling so he understands what he is doing. Maybe she should give examples using someone in her past. Not mean but say hey that was hurtful, how would you like if I said ..."
"Maybe he wasn't ready to move on or maybe he feels guilty that he has moved on and this is his unconscious way to let Betty know she's still on his mind. Either way he needs therapy." ~ Fluid_Association292
Additionally,
"NTA - but why would ur sister marry someone like this?"
"I broke up with an ex over this. i'd be pissed too if my sister was constantly disrespected like this."
"I'd suggest she start playing his game."
"Make up some ex from the past that she casually bumped into, and then start name dropping him constantly... oh bob used to do that too, but he was much better at it."
"😉 Bc he's an a*s if he doesn't see how this name dropping and comparison is hurting his wife AND he thinks it's no big deal."
"So i say give him a taste of his own medicine and start reminding him of all the ways he doesn't measure up." ~ SuperSassyPantz
Commenters also showed concern for OP's sister.
"Well the real message is that Betty is so awesome, he'd still be with her if she hadn't died."
"Amy's only a sad consolation prize he has to endure since the one he'd rather be with is gone."
"NTA OP, and I hope Amy finds her self-worth and realizes being a warm body place holder is a crappy way to exist through a marriage."
"She should feel wanted and valued —-not a distant second place. She needs therapy to find out why she's staying with someone who obviously doesn't value her like he should." ~ saurons-cataract
And,
"NTA and I don't understand why if he had been doing this the whole 4 years they've been together why your sister stayed with him and married him."
"I also wonder why he married her considering it sounds like he wants to be with a woman who is completely different than your sister."
"If someone treated me this way even for a few weeks I wouldn't stay with them. This is really damaging to your sister's mental health and well-being and needs to stop right away." ~ muffins776
OP also got some compliments in the comments.
"NTA OP."
"I am not going to state how another person should grieve but this guy is incredibly unhealthy."
"He needs therapy, and it would be good to have his wife go too so that he can hear in a safe environment how his comparing your sister to his late wife is going to create damage that may never be repaired in their relationship."
"Good for you for handling the situation privately the first time, but I would continue to be on his case if I were you and you hear something like that again"
"... and the more times you hear it, the more public it should be."
"Grief is one thing and cannot be compared, but using that to belittle another that you are in a relationship with is not OK. You are an awesome sister, thank you for defending her." ~ True-Tomatillo-4720
There were also personal stories.
"NTA."
"As a widow this is one things that make people not want to date widows."
"In my support group there are countless relationships that fail because people compare their dead spouse to their current partner."
"It is very easy to make the dead spouse out to be a saint."
"A lot of it comes from feeling guilty that they are with someone else."
"Just an example I know someone that kept saying that if they had kids with the dead spouse how much better those kids will be to the kids they have now."
"The dead spouse was child-free,"
"like really hated kids."
"The second spouse had enough and left."
"It wasn't until their family called them out that they were planning to divorce the late spouse that they admitted to feeling guilty but by then it was too late." ~ catlolafat
The loss of a loved one is painful and deserves to be grieved.
But we can't forget that we aren't alone in that loss and that those who still choose to be in our lives don't deserve to be bag into which we throw our feelings of loss.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp