People with children can appreciate how difficult it is to find childcare for their children when they need to go to work or make it to an appointment.
But they should never force someone to babysit their child, stated the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITA) subReddit.
Redditor More-Ads-3099 didn't seem to understand that, however, when he not only expected the family to pitch in to watch his child but to do so without being paid.
When his family spoke up, the Original Poster (OP) wondered if he was wrong.
She asked the sub:
"AITA for refusing to pay my BIL (brother-in-law) for babysitting my daughter?"
The OP talked his brother-in-law into babysitting his daughter.
"I (34 male) have a 5-year-old daughter. My wife is deceased and my in-laws are my only supporters."
"Some days ago, I had an appointment with the dentist, and the babysitter who was supposed to watch my daughter called and canceled."
"I didn't know what to do, so I called my BIL asking if he was willing to watch his niece until I get back from the appointment."
"He said he wasn't sure since he had a couple of tutoring sessions to get done."
"I told him to skip and dropped my daughter off at his apartment then left."
His brother-in-law wanted the OP to compensate him.
"When I came back to pick her up in the evening, BIL asked me to pay him for watching my daughter for 4 hours."
"I was taken aback and asked if he was serious."
"He reminded me that he had 2 tutoring sessions that he had to cancel last-minute, and since I pushed him to stay with my daughter and watch her, then I need to pay him."
"I refused and said he was being somewhat greedy and an opportunist to even think sitting his niece would grant him easy money."
"He said it wasn't easy money, but time wasted in his very busy schedule."
"We had an argument and I left with my daughter."
The argument didn't end there.
"He called my in-laws who said that he was in the right and I should've paid him for his time and be appreciative of his efforts."
"I told them I didn't expect him to ask for money but they said it's what I do with babysitters..."
"Well yes, but he's family, and the last thing I expect from him is to ask for money for staying with his niece."
"Besides that, I had an emergency and couldn't miss the appointment knowing how hard it is to get another one."
"He's still insisting on being paid and I keep refusing."
"At this rate, I think he's being ridiculous, but I don't know. It all seems to be a misunderstanding."
"Say I did pay him, then this would set the precedence for him to keep expecting money every time."
"AITA for not paying him?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some thought the OP was being ridiculous.
"'I forced my brother-in-law to cancel two tutoring sessions, losing him money, to make him watch my child. Then, instead of offering to cover the money he lost, I refused because... family = free labor. Even when you inconvenience them.'"
"There, fixed it for you."
"YTA. If I were him, I'd never sit for you again." - Connee14
"The conviction with which OP repeatedly enforces his stand of using the family as free babysitters is truly remarkable."
"How could someone be THIS wrong and not know it?" - mindmypalace
"OP is fully TA but at least in my area dentists are totally slammed to the point where they come to my office to schedule in the hopes of getting an in."
"OP is more likely trying to squeeze in an appointment for their day off which may be more difficult to pull off. All the more reason they should fairly compensate the BIL." - GalaxyPatio
"His last line... like he finds it ridiculous that his BIL should get paid every time. And he doesn't want to set the precedent of paying for services from ...family?"
"It's just his kid's uncle, but there is no law to support the brother's title anymore for the OP, so I think the OP actually lost a family member with this bulls**t."
"He's just his late wife's brother, who owes him nothing." - tepidCourage
"You wrote, 'I refused and said he was being somewhat greedy and an opportunist to even think sitting his niece would grant him easy money. He said it wasn't easy money, but time wasted in his very busy schedule.'"
"The grand lack of self-awareness to post this is a masterpiece of assholery. You removed your BIL from a paying situation then had the goddamn nerve to act like he's trying to gouge you."
"YTA, and you need to exit your own asshole and pay attention to the needs of others for a change." - ocooper08
"YTA. He said he couldn't watch her. You dumped her on him anyway. He had to cancel paid work. He is not trying to profit from you, he is trying to recoup his losses." - Beautiful-Concern144
"YTA- you lost me when he told you he had to tutor and you told him to skip that. Like what?!?!! Now, I never charge for babysitting my family but I also would have not tolerated someone telling me to change my plans last minute to accommodate their emergency." - bellbell28
"YTA. I also love OP's 'This would set a precedence for him to keep expecting money every time.'"
"Because I f**king hope so. Just like BIL should be worried that not getting paid would set the precedent that OP demand he takes off work, losing money, every time OP wants a last-minute babysitter."
"I'd also like to hear from OP why this appointment took precedence over BIL's job. Sounds like it was a doctor's appointment of some kind, but unless he is getting dialysis or some other kind of necessary treatment then it was not a big enough emergency to have someone else cancel work. No matter how 'hard' it would be to re-schedule." - TogarSucks
Others assumed the OP had burned a bridge by doing this.
"You forgot to add: 'My babysitter, who I was going to pay canceled…'"
"OP, YTA in a way you will regret. Now, your BIL won't be available as a back-up in emergencies in the future, and you will be SOL (s**t out of luck)." - ReluctantVegetarian
"OP is in for a real surprised when they try randomly dropping the kid off again and BIL calls CPS for an abandoned child." - Silvinis
"Add in a deep apology, and pay him his tutoring rate for the entire 4 hours if you ever expect to have him babysit again." - MontanaPurpleMtns
"This really makes me think he views his in-laws' support like, 'Well, I wouldn't be in the position of even having to find babysitters or manage my child's care if YOUR daughter/sister hadn't died and not fulfilled her duties, so now it's your responsibility.'"
"Zero empathy for the fact that they've also suffered a loss while also having their own lives to manage. I can only imagine how much the in-laws really dislike him and keep quiet for the child's sake." - scrapsforfourvel
"My brother is like this. He was considering moving back to our hometown and suggested that I could take care of his infant son."
"I offered to watch him at a rate that was dramatically less than what he would've paid for at a daycare center and was told that I was trying to financially exploit his situation when I should be doing it for free because we're family. Yeah." - RhinestoneJuggalo
"I had to laugh at the 'precedent' comment about having to pay his BIL. OP doesn't have to worry about paying his BIL because BIL is never babysitting again." - beyondbliss
"You wrote, 'I told him to skip and rudely dropped my child off anyway.'"
"Skip your appointment, skip your job... It's not his kid. OP keeps saying 'to spend time with his niece' like it's a privilege, or worse like it's his obligation. He's not your baby daddy, he has no responsibility to spend time with your kid. YTA." - NeverIncorrectBanana
"'I'm afraid if I pay him it'll set a precedent where he expects to be paid each time.'"
"Don't sweat it, there won't be any next time." - Perspex_Sea
"YTA. If your babysitter hadn't canceled, you would have been paying anyway. You didn't ask him to watch her, you demanded it. He missed out on money to do this for you. You're not somehow entitled to free babysitting just because someone is family." - mothertothemax
While the OP thought he was totally in the right to keep his dentist appointment and expect his family to watch his daughter at a moment's notice, the subReddit had other ideas.
They believed the brother-in-law's work commitments far outweighed an appointment that could be rescheduled, difficult to do so or not, and they also expected the OP to fully compensate his brother-in-law for the work he missed out on, and then some.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.