A gift is supposed to be a transfer of an item from one person or persons to another person or persons.
But that's just in a perfect world. In the real world, so-called gifts can come with terms, conditions, and demands to rescind the gesture when the giver gets mad at the recipient.
Those aren't gifts. Those are means of control and manipulation tactics.
A spouse whose generous father-in-law's gift comes with more hoops than they want to jump through turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback.
Ca77ywumpus asked:
"AITA for telling my father-in-law (FIL) that I don't want the house he bought us?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"My FIL is a generous man, but has what he refers to as 'the a**hole gene' meaning that he doesn't stop to consider what anyone else wants in many situations."
"Since my husband and I have been living with my husband's brother, FIL decided that when the neighbor's house went on the market for a steal, he'd buy us the house."
"After consulting with his financial planner, the decision was made to have both FIL and my husband on the title/deed to the house. We would pay all taxes and utilities, and when FIL passes, husband would inherit the house."
"Here's where it gets messy. The house needs a lot of work."
"Originally, husband and I were going to be responsible for improvements and repairs, so I started meeting with contractors and getting estimates for the work."
"My husband doesn't know much about home repair or renovation, and I do (my family has renovated multiple old homes) so he's been letting me handle all of the work with the contractors."
"Even so, FIL will not speak directly to me about anything related to the house. My poor husband has to play messenger, telling me what his dad wants to do, then telling his dad that I've actually got it handled, and want to do something different."
"The final straw came today when my husband relayed to me that his dad has said that any permanent changes to the house that cost more than $5,000 have to be approved by him."
"Even if we're paying for them, he wants to sign off on any/all decisions, including tile colors, light fixtures, etc..."
"So I forwarded all of my communication with the contractor we'd chosen (haven't signed anything yet) and said that if he wants to make the decisions, then he can make ALL the decisions."
"He will own the house and we will sign a rental lease when the work is done. He'll have to pass city inspections for rental units, and abide by all state and local rental law."
"Now he's mad, and says I'm ungrateful, selfish and controlling. At this point, I don't even want the house anymore."
"I'm ready to take the cat and go stay with my brother, but I don't actually want to leave my husband. I'm just sick of catering to his dad's whims."
The OP summed up their situation.
"I refused to handle/pay for renovations on the house my FIL purchased for us if he insists on approving every decision we make and undermines everything I do. This makes me controlling and ungrateful."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA).
"NTA. You figured it out—this is how he will control the both of you—until he dies. First is fixing the house, then it will be living in it—you will need permission to have more than 2 guests over, or if you get a pet, or how you do the gardening."
"Worse, he bought this house 'for you' but you can't have it until he dies—which he can hang over your heads as leverage for the control. If you don't do x, I will take you out of the will—and so on."
"I wouldn't even rent from him if he is next door—your privacy and your life will become his." ~ alien_overlord_1001
"NTA. The only reason that the house would only be in your FIL and husband's name is to protect the house from you if there is a divorce. That is a smart move on their part if you are not contributing to the financing of the house."
"It would be a smart move on your part to not invest any money into the house outside of paying bills."
"Your issue is with your husband. If he is going along with this then you two need to have a serious talk."
"Is this what you both want? Would you rather just wait and buy a house together in both of your names? What is the underlying issue behind this behavior?" ~ DontAskMeChit
"If your husband is willing to let his father treat his wife this way, then your problem is clearly with your husband."
"Your name isn't even on the deed, but you're expected to do all the remodel work."
"You do the work, but your FIL doesn't like it so he vetos it."
"He vetos it, but you're not even worth the breath it would take him to talk to you so he goes through your husband as a messenger."
"In the end, your husband delivers his dad's message to you rather than telling his dad that he's being a jerk to you and that he won't tolerate you being treated this way."
"See, you have a husband problem. NTA." ~ Physical_Ad6875
"NTA and if YOUR name isn't on the deed then tell your husband no marital assets are going toward that house. Walk away and let him figure out how to fix up the house and he can rent it out." ~ celticmusebooks
"NTA. He wants you to pay to get his house fixed up—your husband may be on the deed but his father is not only on the deed but is expecting to stay in that home (set up as he wants it) for the rest of his life."
"Now if he's as old as 60-70 then he still could be 25 years in that home. If you and your husband are still in your 20s then he could be as young as late 40s or 50s so you're unlikely to see anything for 30+ years."
"What exactly are you supposed to do inbetween time? Also we're not talking a couple of thousands that will need to be invested into the renovation if a house needs a lot of work."
"You mentioned you will have to get contractors in as neither you nor your husband have relevant trade skills, such as plumbing, which with your family history I bet you're aware of the cost implications of that."
"Are you planning a family? Is that house big enough to house both an elderly man and a young family?"
"What happens if there's a family rift of any kind and he decides to sell his half share of the property to someone else? Technically your husband may still own half but that could open you both up to a world of trouble."
"He's projecting big time by calling you 'controlling' as it feels like that's exactly what he's doing." ~ cynical_old_mare
"They want you to work to improve and live in a house that you have zero legal ownership in. You would not get half the value of the house in the event of divorce."
"If your husband died in a car crash on his way home from work, you'd get nothing. You two can't even decide to sell it and use the money to purchase your next home."
"You have a husband AND a FIL problem. This not a good deal for you financially or even practically."
"Further, you should get to have input on where you live. Next door to your in-laws may not be how you pictured this part of your life and I get that."
"You would have zero privacy. They would know when you were out late. They would know if you played hookey from work."
"They will be all up in your lives, driving you absolutely crazy. Then, when they eventually drive you out of the family, you won't get anything you put into that house to start your new life." ~ StacyB125
The OP provided an update.
"One day later. Thanks for the gut check guys. I read through most of your comments although I didn't reply to most of them."
"I realize how incredibly privileged we are to be in this position. I never had any intention of doing any work on the house without FIL's approval, but we've already discussed what we were going to do, and he agreed that I should go ahead and find a contractor."
"Then he changed the rules."
"I had dinner with my MIL (divorced from FIL) last night to commiserate about what a butthead he can be. She gave me some good advice on dealing with him."
"The bottom line is that we are not putting a single cent into a home unless we BOTH have a legal stake in it."
It sounds like some frank discussions need to take place between all parties.
Until then, renovations should remain on hold.
















New Mom Irate After Father-In-Law Ruins Her Birthday With 'Vulgar' Comment About Her Breasts
There's nothing quite like the feeling of going through all the work to prepare a fun celebration, just for someone to undo it with an unkind or gross comment.
That feeling just gets worse when it's your birthday, and that comment was made by someone who's supposed to care about you, sympathized the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor Rude-Pepper-2389 had recently given birth and decided to have a special birthday celebration to reconnect with her loved ones after becoming a mom.
When her father-in-law stopped by unexpectedly and then made comments about her body, the Original Poster (OP) was left so uncomfortable that it ruined the whole celebration for her.
She asked the sub:
The OP wanted to have a special birthday celebration after her baby was born.
"I currently have a five-month-old and haven’t really been taking care of myself or dressing up since having the baby."
"It’s my (25 Female) birthday, and we were having friends over at our house for a private dinner to celebrate."
"My husband (24 Male) and I have been together since we were 18."
"I decided to put on this new silk shirt I got, which, admittedly, was low-cut, but I felt cute in it and felt comfortable around the friends we were having over."
Everything was fine until the OP's father-in-law (FIL) stopped by unexpectedly.
"My husband's dad decided to stop by on his way home from work."
"I will say, he was likely drunk. He works two hours away and proudly told my husband he's down to only four beers on his drive home each day... so, that's healthy."
"When he came in, I was on the couch with my baby propped up beside me, bottle feeding him. Keep in mind, I am not breastfeeding, so no, my breasts are not any larger right now."
"My husband's dad leaned down to look at the baby and then suddenly shouted, 'D**n, son, she could knock you out with those things in bed! Like cracking two coconuts together.'"
"This was fully and undoubtedly in reference to my breasts."
The OP was shocked by the comment and very uncomfortable.
"It made me deeply uncomfortable and embarrassed."
"I was so stunned, I couldn’t even process what he said to me, and our friends just stared at me, blinking."
"He’s a redneck, so he's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years, but this just seems to take the cake, as it was the first time it was directed at me."
"When he stepped out, I told my husband he needed to speak to him, and that the comment wasn’t okay."
"I went to change clothes and decided to never ever wear that shirt again."
"When I brought it up to my husband, he said he didn't hear the comment at first, but then he laughed when I told him what he said. He's always laughed when he feels awkward and has always had a hard time standing up to his parents in any capacity."
"When he and my father-in-law spoke, my FIL just said, 'I shouldn’t have said that to her, I know how she can be,' which just feels even more like I’m just being dramatic."
"Since then, I think my husband just wants me to drop it and move on, truthfully."
The OP wasn't sure what to do after what happened.
"This genuinely ruined my entire night. Am I just too sensitive, or was this an inappropriate thing to say?"
"There's also been no apology since then. This happened on Thursday, and then my father-in-law came by again on Friday with flowers to wish me a happy Mother's Day before Mother's Day Sunday."
"I think that was his way of trying to just breeze past the awkwardness. He's never gotten me a gift the whole seven years I've known him, so the flowers were odd. But I still feel really uncomfortable."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that her father-in-law's comments were rude and just plain creepy.
"NOR at all. That was really rude of him. Anyone would be offended." - Bookbringer
"NOR. That’s firmly in the category of what should be an 'inside thought,' and we should learn what those are at a much younger age than this guy is."
"F**king h**l, this is an absolutely mental thing to say out loud, let alone to your daughter-in-law." - Electronic-Fennel828
"FIL is an AH. I love that you think his being a redneck excuses it, but d**n. Even rednecks should know better than to speak that way to their son's wife."
"What does your husband have to say? Does he understand how breath-takingly rude his father was, or is he Team 'That's Just How He Is'?"
"I'd go very low contact with the old perv. NOR, he put you in an uncomfortable position with his crude remark. Is he married? I'd tell the MIL. I'd tell the whole family. Yes, it's embarrassing, but he is the one who should be embarrassed. Don't accept his non-apology." - Top-Bit85
"Maybe I’m desensitized after having large breasts since I was 13 (I’m 28 now), but I let out a little snort based on how immature of a joke it was. I’d simply tell FIL, 'Yes, I know, my boobs are big,' and move on."
"That said, I would never make such a comment about another person's body. Just because I'm technically fine with it doesn't mean I assume anyone else is!"
"Not everyone is the same, and if OP felt uncomfortable, she’s NOR. Her body, her boundaries." - Both_Original2094
"I’m sorry. That’s upsetting. My father is like this with his father. Even if it’s very offensive comments, he’s uncomfortable and has problems confronting him. It sounds like your husband isn’t going to have a talk with him, which is hurtful."
"I would explain to your husband how uncomfortable the situation was for you and that it’s a serious matter, especially if it happens again. And if he still tries to brush it off, then I would tell him you no longer want your FIL coming to your home."
"It’s your life, too, and he’s not the one being hurt here, you are." - w_coastultraviolence
Others were specifically angry about the tactics the father-in-law used to try to get out of trouble.
"Seriously? Saying 'I know how she can be' is a classic way to blame the victim for having boundaries. It’s your birthday, not a Hooters convention. What a creep. If he can’t look at the baby without checking out your breast, he shouldn't be invited to the house." - Specific_Parsnip3264
"'I know how she can be' is so f**ked up. He's the one being a disgusting person. You need to shine up your husband's spine to properly call him out at the time next time, because there will be a next time." - dancepantz
"The bit that pisses me off the most is, 'I know how she can be,' which is his way of making it her problem that she doesn't like her FiL sexualising her in front of her friends." - Outside-Partait-8935
"The 'joke' comment is gross, but that follow-up comment is infuriating. NOR, OP. But this guy will be in your life for a while, so firmly & calmly shutting this stuff down is completely appropriate."
"I'd wear the d**n shirt again to the next family function and look him right in the eyes next time!" - RationalFish
"When we let things like this slide for others, it's not long before it ends up on our doorstep, and of course, nobody says anything because keeping the peace is the norm. It doesn't have to be getting into their face and yelling abuse back. Just a comment such as, 'Well, that's super tacky to say,' or asking them why they'd say that." - Kattnapped
"The OP said, 'He's said some pretty vulgar stuff over the years... but this is the first time it was directed to me.'"
"Normalise calling stuff out when they are talking about others, and they won't feel so comfortable saying it to you."
"It's a gross thing for him to say, but I guess him buying you flowers is his way of saying sorry."
"Sounds like you are in the situation of a lot of new mothers, where you suddenly realise this stuff matters because you want better influences for your child, and better support for yourself. NOR." - Jumpy-Jello-
Now, about that shirt...
"Please re-think your decision to never wear the cute shirt again, girl!! It's something that you liked very much because it made you feel good about yourself. Don't let some backwoods id**t ruin that for you."
"Wear that shirt till it's worn out and can't be worn anymore!! You should be able to feel good about yourself in whatever you like to wear."
"Your husband should have immediately checked his father, not waited until he was told to do so after his father left the room. In front of everyone there, your husband should have told his father not to ever speak about you or to you in that kind of manner, and if his father doesn't like it, he knows where the door is."
"Hubby should have called him out for his response as well. You did absolutely nothing wrong. You were not the problem; his dad was. This comes down to your husband needing to protect his wife, and he didn't do that." - Lynzo141982
"If he is a redneck, like you said, he won't outright apologize, but flowers are his way of saying sorry."
"I hope he won't say anything again, or else you can expect a nicely tended garden for at least a year."
"About your top, I hope you can wear it again. It takes a lot to feel cute, being a new mum."
"If not, get some fabric dye, dye the top a different color, and embroider a flower on it. This makes the top new, different, and every time you wear it, you can use the mantra ... I'm cute, I don't care what anyone says."
"You've got this!!" - No_Kangaroo_6637
Even if the father-in-law was joking and meant no harm, this is one of those situations where he needs to admit that his joke did not land well, he did cause harm, and he needs to apologize. Just because some people enjoy joking in that manner does not mean that everyone will be comfortable with it, and it's important to respect everyone's boundaries and zones of comfort.