Everyone knows that two people deciding to move in together is a huge next step that either solidifies the relationship or points to an eventual marriage.
But sometimes the process of moving in together is hard, admitted the "Am I the A**hole?" (AITA) subReddit.
Redditor angeleyes05 thought she had it all figured out, so that moving in with her boyfriend would be as seamless as possible.
But after seeing his reaction, the Original Poster (OP) wondered if she had the wrong idea.
She asked the sub:
"AITA for saying my boyfriend should live alone for a while before moving in with me?"
The OP and her boyfriend had different living arrangements.
"My (20 [Female]) boyfriend (24 [Male]) has lived with his parents all his life."
"He does pay rent but his mum still does everything for him - cooking, cleaning, waking him up for work, the lot."
"I still live with my parents half the time, but also live by myself when I go to university."
"While I know this is different from living alone full time, I still know how to do things for myself and I tend to live pretty independently when I'm at home."
The OP had a suggestion for her boyfriend when they thought of taking the next step.
"The topic of moving in together has been coming up more often recently because we do love each other and are both getting to the point where we will be financially stable enough to get our own place in about a year's time."
"I mentioned that he should probably get his own place or move in with a mate first, so he sees what it's like living alone before we take the plunge together."
"He pushed for an explanation as to why, so I ended up gently telling him that I want him to learn to do things for himself because I didn't want to end up stuck with doing everything around the house when we live together."
"He went really quiet and got upset, eventually saying it was cruel of me to suggest he wasn't adult enough to fend for himself."
Not everyone agreed with the OP.
"When I spoke to my parents to ask them if they thought the same, my dad said I was too controlling and I should be patient with him and teach him how to do all of these things."
"So AITA for wanting him to live by himself for a period of time before moving in together?"
The OP also added more information to the post.
"I just wanted to clarify a couple of things. He does know how to do basic things, like cooking simple meals for himself, but his mum is such a kindhearted person who loves taking care of all her kids (even 30yo who still lives at home) so he never does anything for himself."
"I'm more concerned that he won't be proactive in caring for himself and the house, and more 'complicated' things (like which products to use for cleaning, what can/can't be machine dried)."
"He's the sweetest man I know and I don't doubt he'd try, but I'd much prefer that he has experience of actually doing things before moving in, so as to avoid additional stress in what would already be a stressful time adjusting to this new phase in our relationship."
"I'm going to suggest to him that when he's visiting me on weekends at university that he can take on a portion of daily chores, so I can see for myself he can and will do these things, without him having to spend a load of money on his own place just to learn."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
- NTA: Not the A**hole
- YTA: You're the A**hole
- ESH: Everybody Sucks Here
- NAH: No A**holes Here
Some reassured the OP of her idea of living alone first.
"It's a very important life stage that it sounds like he should not skip. You've picked up on something very important and I commend you for recognizing it and acting on it. It will be hard to stick your guns on this but I think you need to, for the sake of your future self."
"He truly is unaware of what it's like to live without family and live with a roommate who isn't family. He may think he gets it but I promise you both he doesn't. Do not subject yourself to his 'figuring it out' period."
"In fact, because you're his girlfriend I'm going to take the leap and guess he'll start filling in the now-missing mother role with you."
"'Leaving food out on the counter? I never think to put away because Mommy does it, and now OP will have to do it because I just don't put things away and I've never learned I have to.' 'But I never cleaned the toilet in my last 24 years. Can't you do it?' 'No, I don't know how or want to do that. You're better at it.'"
"And not just chores and responsibilities - the communication being a roommate requires as well." - basilobs
"It's important to tell your BF, and parents for that matter, that you don't want to carry the mental load for the whole relationship. You want an equal partner. It's not your responsibility to organize things, remind him to do this, or to teach him to do things."
"Honestly, I'd stick with he has to move out on his own for at least a year, before you consider living with him. Monitoring him for a day or two here and there isn't enough; that won't show if he has motivation to live that way and not have to be nagged into it." - Permit-Extreme-117
"You're absolutely right for wanting him to live by himself for a year. He desperately needs that time to develop some life skills." - pepcorn
Others agreed and said the boyfriend shouldn't depend on the OP.
"Also keep in mind the things that seem small but really build up over time."
"Does he remember what day the rubbish goes out and does he put the bins out without prompting? Is he capable of making a grocery shopping list for the house? Does he know how to use a washing machine/dishwasher?"
"How often would he wash his sheets without someone nagging him? Does he book his own doctor's appointments even?"
"Just having to -ask- someone to put the bins out, do their dishes, change their sheets, etc. is a mental chore that you shouldn't need to do. I've been there and I hated it. NTA. Make sure he learns to be an adult so you don't have to play as his mother." - Piebandit
"'My dad said I was too controlling and I should be patient with him and teach him how to do all of these things.' I'm still stuck on that."
"You are not the 'man fixing service.' Too often, women are expected to teach, coach, cajole, and support men who are absolutely helpless because 'it's your job to take care of him.' Bulls**t."
"If a partner can't bring his whole, grown-a**, responsible self to a relationship and shared living situation, then he's not worth moving in with."
"Girl, you have a wise head on your shoulders for only being 20. Don't back down. You are doing the right thing. NTA all the way." - chickenfightyourmom
"A lot of it is also just getting used to troubleshooting your own problems. It truly baffles me how many adults run into a problem and like give up right away, or look to the closest other person to fix it."
"We have this thing called the internet now. Google 'why is my garbage disposal not working?' or 'how to clean a bathtub.'"
"When I bought my home, due to extensive cheapness mostly, I learned to fix a lot of things on my own (fixed a clogged sink by taking it apart, a broken disposal, and even one time my dishwasher which included special ordering a mechanical part and installing it), and people ask how I was able to do it all. I just say Google."
"It's all Google and YouTube, and sometimes walking down to the hardware store and talking to someone there. I patched over holes, painted walls, cleaned off the mold. But if you were never in a situation where you had a problem and it just needed to be fixed NOW, you'll never learn the resilience of figuring s**t out yourself." - IstoriaD
"NTA. His mother still wakes his 24-year-old a** up for work in the morning. It's fantastic you don't want those responsibilities and you aren't being controlling or cruel."
'It's not your job to teach him any of those skills, it's his responsibility to learn those skills, same as it's your responsibility to have learned them for yourself, before moving out.
"Maybe he can talk to his mother about learning those skills from her so that he can live at home but be more independent." - PJ_fan
Though the OP was questioning herself after her conversation with her family, the subReddit warned her against it, claiming that both members of the couple needed to be able to contribute.















Woman Irate After 'Misogynistic' Date 'Insults' Her In Front Of Waiter For Interrupting Him
While dating is supposed to be fun and the best way to find new love, some people are just not meant to date each other.
Fortunately, people can get out of dating someone, and no reason is too small or petty, members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subreddit pointed out.
Redditor Mental_Driver_6134 had been dating a guy on and off for over a year, and while things were okay, there hadn't been a particular reason to make the relationship more serious.
When they went on a date, and the guy publicly insulted her for interrupting him and speaking out of turn, the Original Poster (OP) was not certain it was worth going on another date with him or continuing to string this situationship along.
She asked the sub:
At a restaurant, the OP's date wasn't being clear while speaking with the waiter.
"I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off. We discussed the order and were in a good mood overall."
"When the waiter came to take the order, he started explaining him something about his preference for a particular dish. Basically, he didn't want too much garlic in chili burnt garlic noodles."
"Everything was going fine, but I saw that he was taking too much time explaining it and wasn't really getting to the main point, which was less garlic."
"I chimed in and casually said, 'We just want less garlic.'"
"But I couldn't even complete the sentence before he said to me in front of the waiter, 'If you're gonna cut me off like this, I'm not giving any orders, okay?!' in the rudest way possible."
The moment ruined the date for the OP.
"I just went quiet after that. He quickly realized that he made a mistake and tried to cover up by saying that, 'Okay , I won't shout at you next time onwards.'"
"I was really p**sed off but didn't react much to avoid creating a scene."
"On our way back home, he started with his explanation. He said that I tried to make him feel small by cutting him off and lacked basic etiquette and that I should have at least said, 'Can I give my opinion here?- before cutting him off."
"It kept getting worse as he said that since he was the older one and 'The Man,' I should not have interrupted him and let him give the order."
"The whole tone was so misogynistic."
"He even mocked me for not knowing how to use chopsticks properly, which I didn't mind as basic banter, and I told him that there are forks and spoons kept here; it's not necessary to use the chopsticks (he ended up dropping his dumpling while explaining to me how to use chopsticks)."
"When the noodles came, he said that we could use forks then, and I was like, 'No, why not use chopsticks here, as well? You should watch more anime, maybe,' and he then went on to brag about having been to many five-star restaurants, which implied that he knew more than me and that I lacked any 'real experience.'"
The OP was over it by the end of the conversation.
"I was too exhausted from this; it seemed so nonsensical that I left later and told him to maintain a distance."
"Later he was saying that I'm stuck on such a small thing and that he won't shout again, but it was my mistake that I tried to cut him off (which wasn't my intention at all)."
"Also, sidenote: He's like four and a half years older than me. I met him last September and on and off many times with a few months of minimal contact. These offs end with him acting as if nothing happened."
"This incident was the calmest he's behaved if compared to past situations, so you can guess what the worst may have looked like."
"I only gave him a chance cause he was trying to control his anger issues. But I think you can't expect a 29-year-old to fix the misogyny."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that she was right to be upset.
"He was s**tty, but it was her fault; I just love that. NOR."
"If she hadn’t interrupted his highness, none of this would have happened. Why can’t she just admit it?"
"I’m so glad I’m long out of the dating pool. There is no bar anymore; it’s what can I get from you while I treat you like s**t. Man, the good old days of dating are long over." - Shadow4summer
"NOR. The 'I'm the man' line revealed everything OP needs to know about him. He couldn't handle a simple, harmless interruption, so he tried to humiliate her in public to regain control. Taking his own dumpling dive while trying to act superior is peak karma, honestly." - virelaczi
"NOR! If a 'small' man tries to put you down in public on a date, run the eff away! It doesn’t matter if it’s two dates, two months, or two YEARS!" - Delicious_Winner_819
"Not overreacting, this man is clearly insecure and controlling. Not to mention a misogynist. Instead of being on and off, just be off. It's better to be single than to be with someone who tries to make you feel less than." - curiouscuriel
"'I know better than you.'"
"Should tell you ALL you need to know about this 'man'. Go and find somebody who will treat you as their person... and not an object. That is what is not sitting right with you."
"NOR. And bloody run!!! I wouldn't even give him the time of day after an experience like that." - pootling_1976
"My ex would constantly say, 'You're interrupting me.' I was not. He was a psycho."
"This is how it went, for example:"
"Him: I am ordering chicken and snow peas and white rice [long pause]."
"I start to say ANYTHING (the place is on effing fire!), and he would berate me, 'You interrupted me, you ALWAYS do that, I can never speak, blah, blah blah.'"
"I say, 'Lucifer (what I call him behind his back), you took a long pause. I waited, and I thought you were done.'"
"Then THAT becomes a pile of s**t convo, more berating... He was so manipulative and verbally abusive; I cannot even scratch the surface here."
"So, no. That date is a Lucifer, and you should never even speak to him again." - Belmontisnowhideous
Others pointed out that the OP didn't have to keep dating him if this is how she felt about him.
"Great news! You do not need to spend any more time with this guy." - Blue-flash
"If you marry this guy, this behavior will only get worse. He doesn’t respect women, and he probably never will. I'd stop dating him now before you waste more time." - Additional-Start9455
"NOR. Don’t waste another minute of your life on an angry man. He’ll get worse, not better. Just find a guy who doesn’t need fixing." - Broad_Pomegranate141
"I mean, him being an insufferable smug jerk is not a small thing."
"'I went on a dinner date with this guy who I've been with for over a year now, on and off.' But this strikes me as an elephant in the room."
"It isn't often that good, healthy relationships are on and off again. And given how profoundly rude he was, how immediately he doubled down, how condescending, etc., I can't help but think this isn't the first time he's been gross as a partner."
"NOR, but really ask yourself what you're doing here. This can't be the life you hoped for, and you know he isn't going to change as well." - Traeyze
"NOR. There's no way to live with this kind of man, honestly, and OP should definitely leave this guy."
"A year of on and off with kind of behavior is basically a preview of the next ten." - NoEar4226
"NOR. I've broken up with guys like that by telling them they were right all along. I'm just not smart enough for him. He deserves someone on his own level..."
"Hopefully he picks up the hint and does some self-reflection for his future dates (with other women)."
"For what it's worth, I have two post-graduate degrees." - PomeloPepper
"When someone treats you like s**t, you do NOT have to stay with them, no matter how long you've been together."
"Unfortunately, my therapist had to explain this to me a short time after I started seeing her because my parents never gave me any autonomy to make my own decisions. I didn’t know that I could just leave places that I didn’t feel safe in because it wasn’t an option for me until then."
"Some people do need to be given permission to do what’s best for them because of the way they were treated by their parents."
"Hopefully she does leave him because he sucks, and with the way he treats her, things will likely get worse for her." - Accomplished_Dig284
We've all heard the advice to not cry over spilled milk, but clearly, this date must fuss over garlicky noodles.
To the subReddit, it wasn't worth continuing to date a man who clearly had anger and control issues, especially given everything going on in society right now.
The OP would be better off staying single for a while or dating someone new, preferably someone who respects their differences about noodles and chopsticks.