Adequate housing has been priced out of a lot of people's reach in the United States. People are paying more for less space.
For single people without children, there is the flexibility of renting a single room from a homeowner or as part of a home share with others, getting a studio apartment, or a one bedroom home or apartment.
But for people with multiple children, there are limitations. Especially when multiple equals five children.
Single rooms, studios, and one and two bedroom places aren't ideal or even an option based on local occupancy ordinances. That eliminates a huge portion of the housing market for large families.
Four and five bedroom places exist—in my area there are a lot of old farmhouses. Big families were common at one time.
But a lot of these big single family homes are being converted into rental properties with multiple units. Large families often find themselves in apartments or rental homes which don't have enough bedrooms for everyone to get their own room.
Of course, this is nothing new for lower income families.
Growing up, my single Akenistén:'a (Mother in Kanien'kéha), my two Sisters, and I lived in a two bedroom trailer.
Ista (Mum in Kanien'kéha) shared the small bedroom with Mithaŋ (my baby Sister in Lakȟótiyapi) who was still a toddler. Mičuwé (my older Sister in Lakȟótiyapi) and I had bunkbeds in the "master bedroom."
But when she was 11, Mičuwé was diagnosed with asthma. At that time, doctors would recommend the child be moved into a room with minimal dust. So basically a room with no shelves or furniture other than a bed and no toys or trinkets or decor.
Mithaŋ moved in with me, Mičuwé moved into the small bedroom, and Akenistén:'a moved onto the sofa bed in the living room.
Necessity is the mother of invention—or creative solutions.
It's also worth noting this is a very first world problem. People across the globe have lived in single rooms with multiple generations and extended family.
The idea that each person requires their own bedroom and bed strictly segregated by gender, sexuality and age is a fairly modern concept. My own ancestors lived in tipis—my paternal Oglala Lakota Očeti Sakowin relatives—and longhouses—my maternal Kanien'kéha:ka Haudenosaunee relatives.
Cultures throughout the world still live successfully in similar ways.
There is nothing uncivilized or uncultured about living traditionally within your means using the resources avaliable to you.
A mother of five turned to the "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subReddit for feedback after others criticized her creative solution.
Maleficent_Trick_489 asked:
"AITA for making my son (16) pay for his own room?"
The original poster (OP) explained:
"I'm a single mom of 5 (16-male, 14-male, 10-male, 9-female, 7-male) renting a 3-bedroom house."
"Up until 2 months ago the 2 eldest boys shared a room, the 3 youngest shared, and I had the smallest room."
"For the last few years, my eldest complained non-stop about having to share a room with his little brother. Most of his friends' parents are wealthy so he's constantly comparing our situation to theirs."
"He started working when he was 14 (a few hours a week) for a little extra money. Now at 16 he works a lot (more than I would like) and this summer he has been working basically full-time."
"He's not too bad with his money and actually saves some of it, but the rest goes to video games, clothes/shoes, and junk food."
"Two months ago, my son and I were discussing his distaste for sharing a room with his brother and he said he'd drop out of school now if it meant he could move out into his own space. I told him I had looked at 4-bedroom rentals in our area, but they were just too expensive."
"He asked if he could pay the difference if we did move. I told him no because during the school year all his money would be going to rent, not his savings and his spending money. That obviously wouldn't sit right with me."
"However, we did come up with a compromise. For $50 a month he could have my bedroom and my 10-year-old could move in with 14-year-old and I would sleep in our living room (our couch is already a pull-out)."
"This was 2 months ago, and we already made the switch, and everybody is happy with the new set up."
"All the money my son is paying me is going straight into my Christmas savings and then after Christmas will go into a summer trip savings."
"I recently told some of my friends what I was doing and they're against it. They think I'm wrong for taking any amount of money from my kids and a couple of them said I should have just given him the room without making him pay for it."
"They make some good points, and I don't totally disagree, and it makes me feel like an a**hole."
"My 14-year-old son is also unhappy about the arrangement, he thinks its unfair older brother is getting his own room and that middle brother should have stayed in his old room."
"I can see how he feels it's unfair that older brother has the chance to pay for his own room when he (or the other kids) don't have the same opportunity."
"It seems bad to renege with my oldest now, but I'm not sure if I made a mistake agreeing to this."
"AITA?"
The OP summed up their situation.
"Letting my son pay to have his own room could make me the a**hole because I'm taking money off my school-aged child and it's making his younger brother jealous."
"My friends think it is wrong."
Redditors weighed in by declaring:
- NTA - Not The A**hole
- YTA - You're The A**hole
- NAH - No A**holes Here
- ESH - Everyone Sucks Here
Redditors decided the OP was not the a**hole (NTA) or that there were no a**holes here (NAH).
"There is a wild difference between charging your underage kids rent, and accepting $50 a month—that is going back to the kids—so a growing teenager can have privacy."
"No other children are getting less, and no one is abused by any means."
"Not exactly an ideal solution, but tricky problems require unconventional solutions. NTA." ~ Boring_Ghoul_451
"Your eldest wanted his own space, and you found a solution that works for everyone without breaking the bank. He gets privacy, you get some help with expenses, and everyone else adjusts."
"Sounds like a win-win, right? But the fact that your 14-year-old is feeling left out? Yeah, that's the fly in the ointment."
"Making your son pay a small amount for the room isn't the issue—it teaches him responsibility, budgeting, and that nothing in life is free. But the fairness aspect with the other kids needs to be addressed."
"Maybe it's time for a family meeting to discuss how this arrangement works and why it was made. It might not make everyone happy, but at least they'll understand the reasoning."
"NAH. You're trying to make the best out of a tough situation. Just keep the communication open with all your kids, so no one feels like they're getting the short end of the stick—or the short end of the couch, in your case." ~ 410Writer
"Your fourteen-year-old is learning a valuable life lesson—you don't always get what you want just because someone else has it."
"Your sixteen-year-old is learning that one way or the other you always have to give something up in order to have something you want more. Also a valuable life lesson."
"If OP gives into her friends, what is the lesson her sixteen-year-old will learn from that? Probably not one that a sixteen-year-old should be taught."
"The only thing I'm worried about is OP's back. Her pull-out must be more comfortable than ours. NTA, OP. Your 'friends' however..." ~ caveatlector73
"In 2 years, the oldest will be 18 and in college or on his own or working full-time and helping rent a bigger place. The next will be 16 and then he can pay for the solo room."
"Kids don't always get the same exact thing at the same time—especially when there's an age difference. NTA." ~ On_my_last_spoon
"Yeah, that's an upper class problem. I—female—shared a room with my 4 years younger brother from the time my parents split in 5th grade until I moved out for college."
"Was it ideal? No. But my mom could only afford what she could afford so we did it without b*tching."
"When the choice is food on the table or sharing a room, you suck it up and share." ~ DammitMegh
"Do your friends pay your bills? I think not, so they don't have a say in your home."
"Also, just don't overshare your personal life like that. Your situation is not optimal, but you guys are managing."
"Not everyone has to compromise like a single mother of five and your friends clearly can't relate to your situation, but still feel qualified to criticize you. Unless they're raising money to get you a bigger place, they can STFU. NTA." ~ wiggert
"Your oldest didn't have this opportunity when he was 14, either. So the 14-year-old can wait until he's 16. NTA." ~ Neenknits
"You are experimenting with solutions. This won't be a forever thing. Situations will change."
"As far as your friends, ignore them. I see it as running your house the best you can and teaching the value of financial contributions to your son. In six months, check in with the family and see if an improvement can be made."
"My only concern is for you. As a parent, you need a private space. You must take care of yourself so that you can do the best for your family." ~ curious_me1969
If the arrangement works for this family—with the exception of the 14-year-old feeling jealous, then it doesn't matter what the OP's friends think.
This single mother is doing the best she can with the circumstances she's in. Maybe in the long run, it won't work out, but there's no harm in trying.















Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp