Everyone is entitled to a little privacy.
If honesty and transparency are vitally important when it comes to sustaining personal and professional relationships, not everyone needs to know everything.
Even if some people feel they are entitled to just that.
Sometimes going out of their way to make people divulge information that has absolutely no bearing on them whatsoever.
A colleague of Redditor ShadowZero16 felt that she was being threatened by him.
Even going so far as to demand that the original poster (OP) share private information with her and their manager.
While the OP managed to get out of doing so, he still failed to earn back the trust of many of his colleagues.
His choices being put into doubt, the OP took to the subReddit "Am I The A**hole" (AITA), where he asked fellow Redditors:
"AITA for refusing to let someone check my phone after a coworker accused me of taking pictures of her?"
The OP explained why they felt their privacy was recently under attack at work:
"So this happened at work."
"I (18 M[ale]) was on my stuff normally, scrolling through my phone and watching YouTube videos, when a coworker (17 F[emale]) suddenly accused me of taking pictures of her."
"That caught me off guard."
"I told her I hadn't taken any photos and that I was just watching videos on YT, but she didn't believe me and started getting louder and kinda annoying, drawing attention from nearby coworkers."
"She said that if I had 'nothing to hide', I should just show her my photos."
"Luckily, the manager was nearby and came over because of the commotion."
"We both explained our sides."
'The manager said that if I wasn't hiding anything, I could just show the last two pictures on my phone to clear it up quickly."
"But the thing is that had a lot to hide that I didn't want to show — nothing illegal, creepy or weird, and definitely nothing involving her — but still private stuff that I didn't want anyone else seeing."
"So I refused. I told the manager I was willing to prove my innocence in other ways, but I didn't want to compromise my privacy."
"As a good faith gesture, I showed my phone's battery usage stats, which clearly showed I hadn't used the camera app recently."
"I also suggested to check the security footage."
"After reviewing the footage, it showed my phone was pointed at the ground the entire time and the angle wouldn't have even allowed me to take a picture of her."
"So I was cleared."
"Even so, a few of my coworkers later told me I should've just shown the photos because 'She had the right to know if she was harassed'."
"I told them that the evidence proved my innocence, and there was absolutely no need to show anything."
"Especially not to her, someone who I've never trusted."
"So, AITA?"
Fellow Redditors weighed in on where they believed the OP fell in this particular situation by declaring:
- NTA – Not The A**hole
- YTA – You're The A**hole
- NAH – No A**holes Here
- ESH – Everyone Sucks Here
The Reddit community stood firmly behind the OP and agreed he was not the a**hole for refusing to share his phone.
Everyone agreed that since the OP and his manager came up with a solution that proved his innocence, then that was all that mattered, and no further explanations were needed:
"NTA."
"Everyone thinks they're a main character these days."
"When worked in retail, me and this lady crossed paths - I was looking downwards and then shifted my glasses and kept walking."
"Then I heard her scream, 'YOU JUST LOOKED THROUGH MY PURSE!!!!'"
"'Which I obviously didn't, and I told her I adjusted my glasses and looked at her like she was crazy (she was/is)."
"The cameras were a perfect solution in this context as it wouldn't assume guilt on anyone's end."- caramelgelatto
"NTA."
"You were exonerated by other evidence."
"Tell people you don't have to give up your privacy for a false accusation."- FairyFartDaydreams
"NTA (predicated on your complete innocence)."
"Your co-worker is paranoid."
"It is not your job to manage her paranoia."
"You are also technically not in a place where your co-worker has an expectation of privacy."
"You literally have cameras recording you."
"So it may not be illegal to snap a pic anyway, but it could be against company policy."
"For your co-workers who claim you should have shown your phone because she has a right to know if she is being harassed, 1) they really should learn the definition of harassment and 2) this is a perfect spot to drop the age-old wisdom 'opinions are like a**holes...'"
"Moving forward. If anyone continues to make repeat comments about that you should have shown her/she needs proof you're not harassing her/etc., tell them to drop it and start to document dates, times and what is said."
"Take this to your manager and inform them that you are being harassed and it is becoming a hostile work environment."
"Also, never be alone with this girl, ever."
"Don't sit next to her, don't slide past her in a hallway or doorway - give her a wide berth and place your hands behind your back or away from her."
"Be polite to her as necessary but do not engage her in any conversation that isn't absolutely necessary for your job and preferably with witnesses."
"She has labeled you in her head, and no matter how small you think something is, she'll likely make more claims against you."
"So avoid, avoid, avoid."- Its_Me_Cant_See
"NTA 'if you have nothing to hide, just show me your phone' is the rallying cry of people who don't understand privacy or boundaries."
"You're not TSA, Susan."
"My phone isn't public property just because you feel entitled."
"Accusations don't override rights."
"She needs to chill."- FaithhAmelia_
"And now she knows she wasn't, NTA."
"If the security camera footage had shown you doing stuff that probably indicated you had, that would be one thing, but that wasn't the case."
"It would be absurd to expect you to provide any more proof."- WaviestMetal
"NTA."
"'She had the right to know if she was harassed."
"Sounds like you were the one being harassed in this case, not her."- GendhisKhan
"NTA."
"If she wanted to make allegations, then the onus is on her to prove it."
"The manager was out of line suggesting that you had to defend yourself simply because she made a baseless claim."
"If she had suggested that you touched her inappropriately, would that have set off an investigation?"
"Are we at a point where people can't use their phones around others for fear that someone somewhere will accuse them of making recordings?"
"If she's that sensitive, then she shouldn't appear in public spaces where she may be recorded."
"Does she pitch a fit over security footage, too?"- CandylandCanada
"NTA, I had a mom looking for her daughter at my house the other day, and I went through my house, and she wasn't there (I came home to her on my porch; my son was home - the same age as the girl)."
"She called the police, and the police told me if I have nothing to hide, then they should be able to come through, but I doubled down and told her to go find her damn kid and leave me alone."- MomsSpecialFriend
"NTA."
"'I refused. I told the manager I was willing to prove my innocence in other ways'."
"That's backwards."
"It's incumbent upon the accuser to establish guilt."- StAlvis
"NTA and find a better job."
"Your manager and coworkers are terrible."- IAmTAAlways
"NTA."
"'She had the right to know if she was harrased'."
"100% Wrong."
"She does not have the right to harass you, invade your privacy, and access your personal material based on the suspicion that you were being creepy."
"Especially since those claims were unfounded."
"Not only was she not entitled to access your phone, she should be reprimanded and documented by HR for making false claims in case this occurs again with you or another employee."- MaterialMonitor6423
"NTA."
"You do not ever need to give up privacy rights without substantial cause."
"And you were able to prove you had done nothing another way, win-win."
"I can think of lots of photos on my phone I wouldn't want to share, like when I have a weird spot on my body that I want to track."
"I'm not showing that to coworkers."
"Or funny photos I take of my BF."
"He wouldn't want me showing those around. Etc."- mllebitterness
It's not a good feeling to feel like your privacy is invaded.
Something the OP's colleague felt in the heat of the moment, and as such, deserved to know if this was the case or not. Which the OP managed to prove, even if he didn't surrender his phone.
If he had not cooperated, then everyone had more of a right to pass judgment.
Seeing as he did cooperate and prove his innocence, hopefully everyone will be able to happily move on.
Woman Asks If It's Wrong To Hold Grudge After Mom Told Her When She 8 Years Old That She Wished She'd Aborted Her
While some people view having and raising children as the greatest blessing, some parents hold their children's existence against them for their entire lives.
And when they feel that way about their children, they're unfortunately typically pretty honest about it, cringed the members of the "Am I Overreacting?" (AIO) subReddit.
Redditor heavelymango knew from the time she was young that her mother did not really like her and significantly favored her sister.
But when her mother told her at the age of eight that she wished she had aborted her, the Original Poster (OP) held on to that grudge for years after the fact.
She asked the sub:
The OP had a grudge against her mother.
"I (22 Female) have been holding onto a grudge due to something my mom told me when I was roughly eight or nine years old."
"Growing up, I was a rebellious kid and always felt as if my mom favored my older sister. My sister would always get whatever she wanted."
"I know she was born with Down syndrome and always needed more attention and care, but if my sister wanted my tablet, for example, she would have it for the whole day while mine was limited to 30 minutes so she could have it."
"As a kid, I lashed out more because of this. She could take all of my things, but I could never use hers."
During a heated moment, the OP's mother said something unforgivable.
"Eventually, this led to an argument with my mom. I don't recall the whole thing, but it was related to my sister and how I felt my mom didn't care about me or give me the same amount of attention."
"The fight got heated, and I probably told my mom that I hated my sister and her."
"I remember she said back, 'I never wanted you from the start. I knew I should've aborted you when I had the chance.'"
" I didn't know what aborted meant at the time, and I remember I looked it up, and it made me cry. I never forgot it, and it lingers in my mind whenever I am home."
The OP's mother pressured her to "let it go" and move on.
"Even growing up, I still brought it up, and she would get mad, saying I need to let it go and how I'm stubborn for not just forgetting what she said."
"There was even a time in high school when she took me to a therapist, and she complained about how I never dropped what she said."
"She says I need to move on from it because it has affected my relationship with her, and she wants to fix it."
"I know I'm older now and it was so long ago, but it still hurts, and I feel like it's made me not want to have her in my life in the future, and I have told this to her."
"How I don't want her in my life once I move out, get married, or have my own kids."
Fellow Redditors weighed in:
Some reassured the OP that this sounded like a core memory more than a grudge.
"The axe forgets. The tree remembers."
"It sounds less like you're holding a grudge and more that this is a formative, core memory for you."
"It won't stop being a core memory (unless maybe with the help of a lot of therapy). Has your mom ever apologized for saying that? Because you don't have to forget to forgive, but if she's not remorseful for saying that terrible thing to her young child (not just remorseful that you remember it), then she probably needs therapy (or is a narcissist/sociopath/similar)."
"You are certainly not obligated to 'get over it.'" - Hot-Can3615
"This is not a 'grudge'; it is pain that is still felt to such a degree. If she said it, then she was thinking it. She'll probably never apologize, but that doesn't mean your pain is or was invalid." - Fast_Register_9480
"NOR. This kind of thing needs a real apology. Like she needs to acknowledge the damage and genuinely care about it. Brushing it off won’t make it go away." - TentacleWolverine
"NOR. Did she really want to fix things? She basically just told you to get over it from the start instead of giving you a sincere apology."
"That isn't working on anything. She wants you to get over it so she can pretend that she never said it, so she doesn't have to feel bad about what she did. It doesn't sound like she cares much about how you feel."
"She just doesn't want to deal with it. For that reason, I would still have issues with what she said." - Chemical-Ad6809
"If your relationship with your mother is being affected by the actions of your mother, your mother is responsible for fixing it."
"You should know you probably aren't ever going to get closure, but you don't have to swallow it down. It helps to be the person you needed when you were younger out loud to yourself, but especially to others."
"For example: My name is Liz, and my mom told me to go ahead and do it already and save us all the heartache when I finally had the courage to tell her about how much I've been struggling with self-harm and suicidal ideation. I'm never going to forgive her for that, and we have never been close as a result of her actions."
"You aren't holding onto a grudge; you have a core memory of your mother distilling her feelings into a world-shattering sentence."
"You did not have a secure attachment before and can't have one now because of the deep trauma. You do not apologize for being stabbed."
"Find another therapist. I mean it. Someone who cares about your well-being wouldn't force you to apologize for being verbally abused as a child. I'm 29 now, and I lived through it. I still struggle with suicidal ideation daily, but once I stopped relying on my mom and unstable sources for support, my life got better immediately."
"You want things for comfort and familiarity. Don't let your mom or your therapist gaslight you into crossing a boundary."
"It might help to ask for a written five-part apology from your mom. 1. Acknowledge what you did 2. Say why it was wrong 3. Promise not to do it again 4. Ask how to make amends. 5. Share your feelings at this time if there's anything you'd like to say."
"My mom can be a good person and a bad mom and role model. Being in your own company is so much better than poor company." - PotLuckyPodcast
Others hoped the OP would go no contact with her mother sooner rather than later.
"NOR. It’s emotional abuse. And you do not owe her closeness after that, especially as she refuses to be accountable for that and try to make it up to you."
"She knows you have her number, and she can’t forgive you for knowing what a colloidal b***h she is."
"It’s unlikely that will change; it will at least be turned back on you with her the victim."
"Stop expecting her to apologize. If she doesn’t pay your bills, ghost her." - SnooCheesecakes2723
"My mom said something similar. My brother and I were adopted, and when I was a teen, in front of a church lady, she said, 'We didn't even really want you, but the people didn't want to split y'all up, so we just took you, too.'"
"Me and the church lady were shook. When I say my falbbers were ghasted. Like huh? She didn't remember saying that when I brought it up years after the fact."
"I also got grounded two times for two separate nine weeks (for C's on my report card) and a three and a half to four months (for smoking at 16 and getting caught because she liked to just pop up out of nowhere), and we just had a talk about that, and she didn't even remember."
"She said, 'No, I didn't. I never grounded you for that long,' and when I gave my rebuttal, she said, 'Well, if I did, it definitely wasn't for no nine weeks or months,' and this started because she was praising me for reading so much and liking books. I said, 'Well, when you were grounded like me, that's all I could do (no TV, no friends outside of school, no music, nothing but my room and books)."
"There's a reason I only call or answer her calls once or twice every few weeks. And I only call to get food, really..." - ManicalMoe
"‘Fine, I'm sorry’ is not an apology."
"Whilst I’m sure it was said in anger, most things said in anger have a grain of truth. There are also some things that no half-decent parent ever says to their children, no matter how angry they are, and this is one of them! It also sounds like she has made repeated similar comments of not wanting you as her child."
"I understand her eldest had a disability, but this is no excuse for neglecting and emotionally abusing her younger child. Lots of families deal with a child with additional needs whilst still managing to prioritise their other kids. Children with Down syndrome are capable of understanding ‘that’s your sister's, not yours; give it back’ !! It sounds like your mum has mental health issues?"
"Do you have a present father or other family you can turn to?"
"Protect your peace. Your mum has hurt you time and time again, honestly, for no real gain other than momentarily satisfying her anger. You owe this woman nothing." - Background_Term9810
"I went through something similar. When I was a little girl, my mother used to make comments that implied she didn't want me, though it was never that explicit. 'I only had you because your brother wanted a sister,' and 'My figure never recovered after you; after your brother, it did.'"
"Each comment stayed with me, but I never addressed it with her. I tried to move on and leave it in the past. She did a lot of horrible things throughout my life, but her behavior was always ignored because that's the precedent my dad set, where she can do essentially whatever she wants."
"A few months ago, she came to see me because I was desperate for help and sick. Instead of helping, she made my life so much worse. I won't go into details. At one point, I could no longer keep it inside, and I told her that she is a narcissist, to which she responded with, 'It would have been better if I had never had you.'"
"In some ways, it felt really good to hear her come out and say it. It felt good to hear the truth I've always known."
"I don't know what you should do, but I've chosen to not forgive."
"Every time I forgave, I just let her know that she can get away with whatever horrible things she had done. Her apologies were never real apologies. She always found ways to blame me or others for whatever she had done."
"And I'm truly just done with it. As sad as it is to not have a mom, it's sadder to pretend that you have one when in reality you don't... quite the opposite, if anything." - Neos_Mom
"So, OP, what will hurt more: keeping her and the grudge in your life or making a break and going low or no contact with her?"
"Frankly, we've no idea of what she might have been dealing with at the time, but regardless, what she said was said only to cause pain and suffering. 'Sorry' doesn't magic that intent away."
"Me, I think spending time alone or with friends or in therapy away from her might be what you need here. You might come to some sort of acceptance, but if this is something that's just going to keep coming between you, then stop trying to have that relationship." - Tal_Tos_72
After the OP received feedback, she shared a few clarifications from her original post.
"I wanted to clear some things up, take accountability where it's due, and provide some much-needed context from many people commenting the same questions."
"I want to be completely honest. We had many arguments, and I was a rebellious kid. I acted out and argued with my mom."
"I don't want to give off the impression that I was an entirely innocent kid who never did anything wrong and my mom just snapped out of nowhere. We both said hateful and hurtful things to each other during our fights."
"Growing up, the only way she would accept an apology was if I got on my knees and begged her for forgiveness. If I ever asked her to apologize to me, she would say, 'I have nothing to apologize for; you should be the one begging for my forgiveness.'"
The OP had a lot of physical memories, too.
"Things also would turn into physical arguments, not just verbal ones."
"There were times when she would get so angry she would get physical. Like yanking me by my hair, twisting my arms, or throwing things at me (like remotes, a bug spray can, or a radio)."
"When she yanked my hair, I would fight back just to get her to let me go, and she would scream that I was trying to kill her and she would get me arrested. When she twisted my arm, and I begged her to stop because it felt like it was going to break, she would say she hoped it did."
"When she threw objects at me, she would say she wished they would hit my face."
"I remember in middle school, during an argument, she said she wished she could break my face and that she hated it because I look like my dad. I won’t lie, whenever she said things like that, I would say nasty comments about how she chose to have him put us in her."
While the OP wasn't financially ready to move out yet, she hoped to as soon as possible.
"Why haven't I moved out yet? The main reason I haven't been able to move out is financial."
"I wasn't making enough to support myself without worrying about whether I’d end up having to crawl back home."
"Thankfully, I have recently found a better-paying job. My plan is to move out between mid-to-late October, or early November at the latest."
"The only reason I can't leave this exact second is because I have a few legal/administrative things to get cleared up so I’m completely untied from my mom, which will take a few weeks."
The OP also had proof that her mother liked her sister better.
"Has my mom ever admitted to favoring my sister? Yes."
"In arguments, she has explicitly told me that she doesn't see me as her legitimate daughter, and that she adored my sister more and forever will. She has also called me a 'monster,' told me there is a certain type of evil inside of me, and said she was afraid I would be just like my dad and try to harm them."
"She would even tell me that she was telling family and friends these things about me, but then later claim she 'just said it in the moment' and wouldn't be crazy enough to actually tell people that."
"Because I was so confused growing up and didn't know if she was lying or telling the truth, I started avoiding our family when they came over."
"Naturally, that just made things worse because she would get mad at me for avoiding them (even now as an adult), completely ignoring the fact that she was the one who lied about what she told them."
Unfortunately, the OP didn't have support from her father.
"What about my dad? My dad is not in my life."
"He was around sporadically, but never as a stable parent. My parents separated before I was born and divorced when I was two or three."
"Growing up, it was just constant back-and-forth toxicity, with him telling me how toxic my mother was, and her telling me the same about him."
"He would mostly only come over to see my sister, and often used me to care for her if he wanted to take her out to eat. Ultimately, my dad didn't care about anyone else other than my sister (and his drugs)."
"I hope this can clear some questions on the original post. I know I didn't provide many details as I originally should have. I honestly didn't want to post something too long, and I honestly did not expect it to be noticed."
"Thank you all for taking time to talk to me and share your thoughts."
The subReddit fully sided with the OP, pointing out that no matter how heated the moment was, it would never excuse the terrible things the OP's mother had said to her.
If the OP's mother really wanted a relationship with her, she'd drop the defensiveness and demands, offer a genuine apology, and work hard to be better for both of her children.
That takes a very rare kind of person to pull off, and it didn't sound like the OP's mother had that in her.
If you or someone you know is struggling, you can contact the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at 988.
To find help outside the United States, the International Association for Suicide Prevention has resources available at https://findahelpline.com/i/iasp